m416 Hub conversion

Phulcrum · 01-01-09, 04:38 PM

I am just starting my m416 project and would like to run toyota 6 lug wheels on it so the trailer wheels are interchangeable with the FJ and match visually also.

How do i convert it?

lx450landcruiser · 01-01-09, 06:54 PM

swap out the axle

Phulcrum · 01-01-09, 07:33 PM

thanks, i'll start shopping and maybe start a trailer build thread too.

lx450landcruiser · 01-01-09, 09:18 PM

give abc trailer supply a call, they have a web site as well

GLTHFJ60 · 01-02-09, 02:32 PM

That's what I've been told as well. Upgrade in axle capacity and just as expensive as finding new hubs, or having new hubs made.

Deneway · 01-02-09, 02:58 PM

Also take a look at the various Toy swap threads on this board!

Lots of good stuff here.

Phulcrum · 01-02-09, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lx450landcruiser

give abc trailer supply a call, they have a web site as well

they didnt seem to have what i needed.

southwest trailer said they need the hub face to hub face measurement, but to be honest the guy i spoke to didn't sound very confident about having what i needed.

dont suppose there is a part number or other such method of making this "easy"?

i am somewhat new to internet research, sorry

Mtbcoach · 01-02-09, 06:45 PM

I'm just starting mine as well. From what I've learned, you do need that measurement in order to order the axle you want. Both ABC and Southern have hubs that are compatible with Toyota hubs (6 on 5.5).

What I'm doing is coming as close as I can to matching the track width of my tow rig as well as being able to put the same wheels on both hubs. Scroll through the linked page below and you will see a number of axle options from ABC and down the page, hub choices with the various number of studs on "X" inches apart.

Trailer Axles - Trailer Axle Kits

Pick the axle with the options you want and you should be good to go...

90FJ62 · 01-02-09, 07:47 PM

There was a post once that had just replacement hubs for like $38 each that would goon the stock axle. If i can find that post i will probably go that route.

Dave

GLTHFJ60 · 01-02-09, 07:54 PM

I haven't been able to find that post, but if you can that would be pretty awesome.

The axle width problem could be fixed with wider wheels and the correct backspacing.

90FJ62 · 01-02-09, 08:07 PM

I am looking for it. What axle width problem are you talking about?

Dave

GLTHFJ60 · 01-02-09, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 90FJ62

I am looking for it. What axle width problem are you talking about?

Dave

Not really a problem, but some like to get another trailer axle that has the same width as the rear axle. I don't mind mine at all.

Keep looking!!

KY854RUN · 01-02-09, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 90FJ62

There was a post once that had just replacement hubs for like $38 each that would goon the stock axle. If i can find that post i will probably go that route.

Dave

Hi Dave,

Those hubs are for the Canadian M101 trailer. If the M416 you own uses the same size bearings for the inner and outer bearings. Then there are no replacement hubs for that axle with the Toyota lug pattern. Some of the last M416s were built with the 3500# style axles (larger inner bearing and smaller outer bearing) and you can get the same hubs that are used to convert the Canadian M101 over to the Toyota pattern to convert that type of axle.

GLTHFJ60 · 01-02-09, 10:44 PM

I've heard that line before. Oh well.

Is it safe to assume that the only way to check if your axle is a later 3500# version is by opening it up?

d0ubledown · 01-22-09, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KY854RUN

Hi Dave,

Those hubs are for the Canadian M101 trailer. If the M416 you own uses the same size bearings for the inner and outer bearings. Then there are no replacement hubs for that axle with the Toyota lug pattern. Some of the last M416s were built with the 3500# style axles (larger inner bearing and smaller outer bearing) and you can get the same hubs that are used to convert the Canadian M101 over to the Toyota pattern to convert that type of axle.

interesting. got a link for these 6 bolt hubs? and do they still allow the use of the hand brake? if the hubs can be swapped out while retaining the brake, id rather go that route. id imagine the stock axles are pretty strong on the m101. i dont think id ever load it down to anywhere near 3500#...

jasonmt · 01-22-09, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Phulcrum

they didnt seem to have what i needed.

southwest trailer said they need the hub face to hub face measurement, but to be honest the guy i spoke to didn't sound very confident about having what i needed.

dont suppose there is a part number or other such method of making this "easy"?

i am somewhat new to internet research, sorry

All they need to know is the hub face to hub face measurement (A) and spring center measurement (B) to build you a new axle,

From the ABC website:
"Axle sold with five or six lug hubs with bearings, grease caps, seals, lug nuts and u-bolt kit cost $106.99. Special sizes can be built at no extra charge."

kilo · 01-23-09, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonmt

All they need to know is the hub face to hub face measurement (A) and spring center measurement (B) to build you a new axle, website:
"Axle sold with five or six lug hubs with bearings, grease caps, seals, lug nuts and u-bolt kit cost $106.99. Special sizes can be built at no extra charge."

ABC is a good way to go. I payed around $160 total for mine.

KY854RUN · 01-26-09, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by d0ubledown

interesting. got a link for these 6 bolt hubs? and do they still allow the use of the hand brake? if the hubs can be swapped out while retaining the brake, id rather go that route. id imagine the stock axles are pretty strong on the m101. i dont think id ever load it down to anywhere near 3500#...

Sonny,

I believe that this is what you need for converting the Canadian M101 to the Toyota lug pattern and yes, it will retain the original parking brake.

6-Hole Trailer Drums

Others have already done this conversion and posted it here, so do a search to confirm that these are the correct hubs.

90FJ62 · 01-26-09, 11:17 AM

Those are the ones i was talking about. I have not pulled my axle apart yet to see if i can do the swap or need a new axle. What length axles are you using for a replacement on the 416? Also anyone order one with electric brakes? If so do you think it was worth it?

Dave

GLTHFJ60 · 01-26-09, 01:30 PM

$80 for a rebuilt low capacity axle or $125 for a new 3500# axle that can be made to any custom dimensions? I'd still take the new axle, but that's just me.

I'm not sure if those would work with the 416, but I can probably look up the bearing numbers when I get home.

fjcruzn · 01-27-09, 05:41 PM

Try Redneck Trailer Supply. They have an excellent selection of axles and hubs.

Go to: http://www.redneck-trailer.com/

cheers,

dale

OlympiaFJ60 · 01-28-09, 10:14 AM

I always thought I saw that thread here on mud too but decided to check my LCML saved items folders and found this.

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Hope this helps!
M416 replacement parts: Bearings: Federal-Mogul, P/N LM50134, Timken P/N
LM501349 Shocks: Monroe Gas Magnum 34904 C93232+ Seals: Federal
Mogul P/N 472018, tire pressure is 45 psi on the 16x700 tires. Jeep year parts from 1950-70

Heavy vinyl cover mad to fit for $75. New Life Resource Management, Main, Bakersfield, VT 05441B. 802-827-6124

Change the bulbs to 12v one #67 for the little ones and #1156 for the big ones

Now, I don't know if a trailer place could take those bearing numbers and figure out what hub would work. Worth a try. Would get to keep the parking brake vs. going to the new axle.

cruzzer · 01-28-09, 06:02 PM

To be sure you need to know if it has the small "hub cap" or the big hub cap.. if the hub cap is like 2"(looks like any other trailer grease/hub cap) you should be able to change the hub,, if its the big like 3" the hub cannot be swapped out.. Its easy if you know when your trailer was made,, if its older like in the 60's it will have the big kind,, late 70's into the 80's it might have the smaller ones.. Do you have surge brakes,, if so you most likely have the newer style..

chrisngrod · 02-04-09, 06:08 AM

I contacted ABC and they seem real helpful. Shipping prices didn't seem unreasonable either.

I am curious what people are going with. I do want brakes and the 6 x 5.5 bolt pattern.

For the people who have purchased already did you buy new leaf springs and mounts or just replace the axle? If you didn't buy new hardware, did the new axle fit inside the old hardware?

Issues I can see with getting the replacement springs are not having the right height (the main point). You would also have to have to fab a mount for the shock. The length of the springs from ABC are small I do believe.

Thanks in advance. I lose sleep thinking about this project!

PitbullCruiser · 02-12-09, 03:06 PM

Don't think they would work with my 416. My bearing numbers are LM501349 for the bearing and LM501310 for the race. I wish they would work so I can keep the parking brake but oh well.

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Originally Posted by GLTHFJ60

$80 for a rebuilt low capacity axle or $125 for a new 3500# axle that can be made to any custom dimensions? I'd still take the new axle, but that's just me.

I'm not sure if those would work with the 416, but I can probably look up the bearing numbers when I get home.

Hugh Heifer · 06-12-09, 09:33 PM

When doing a 3500# axle replacement, anybody get the original parking brake to work or was the mod pretty tuff?

hey you · 06-13-09, 11:28 AM

This came from an earlier post,
Dexter Axle - Trailer Axles and Running Gear Components - PRODUCTS & LITERATURE

Download the pdf for "Trailer Brakes and Service Parts/ 10 inch brakes" near the bottom of the page. There is a drop down menu in the upper box there.....

Then look at page 2 of that pdf. You will have to buy at least the new backing plates and parking brake cam mechanisms... or just replace the entire brake assemblies. This has been discussed a few times here - a search should turn up the thread(s).

Hugh Heifer · 06-14-09, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hey you

This came from an earlier post,
Dexter Axle - Trailer Axles and Running Gear Components - PRODUCTS & LITERATURE

Download the pdf for "Trailer Brakes and Service Parts/ 10 inch brakes" near the bottom of the page. There is a drop down menu in the upper box there.....

Then look at page 2 of that pdf. You will have to buy at least the new backing plates and parking brake cam mechanisms... or just replace the entire brake assemblies. This has been discussed a few times here - a search should turn up the thread(s).

Thanks for the link but that is for electric and hydraulic brakes. I don't think either one would work with the stock manual parking brake. I did search and find where others had asked the question but did not get an answer.

Specifically, I am wondering if the stock backing plates could be modified to put them on the 3500 axle allowing the stock brake components to be used. I am going to wager a guess that the drums offered for the 3500 pound axle would never mate to those stock backing plates. It would be interesting to see pics of them side my side.

Certainly the stock drums will not go on the 3500 pound axle spindles other wise someone would have done that.

wanabecruisen · 06-19-09, 05:27 AM

Did you ever get this figured out? I also have a late model m416 with the surge brakes and would like to keep 'em but want the 6 on 5.5 pattern to fit my 80 series wheels. Anybody make a bolt on adapter from this five lug to our six lug?

Hugh Heifer · 06-20-09, 09:56 PM

I have not. I was interested in adding a 3500# axle but using the same backing plates. Someone who has done the 3500 conversion would no best. I have yet to get into my new bad ass 1966 trailer, but I am making a plan!