Can I just flip this axel???

450 DUDE · 10-29-07, 08:21 PM

Title says it all.
Its on my starcraft (small) pop up.

Im not sure if the alignment pin will be on the other side (small leaf)

I know about zero about leaf's
Thanks,

ken

Degnol · 10-29-07, 08:28 PM

You will need to buy new spring pins, but, yes, you can. Clamp the spring pack together with C-clamps first, remove old spring pins(maybe you can reuse them) install new ones upside down from the way they are installed, flip the axle.....voila!

D'Animal · 10-29-07, 08:31 PM

Can You. Yes.

Do you want too. No

Most all trailer axles are built with a slight tow in in the front of the axle. If you flip the axle you will be towed out in the front. It will be all over the road when you pull it.

If you flip the axle side to side 180degrees and trun it upside down you might end up with tow in towards the front. It's been a long day and I'm not thinking clearly in three demensions. I think you will still be towed out in front.

OswaldtheBold · 10-29-07, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by D'Animal

Can You. Yes.

Do you want too. No

Most all trailer axles are built with a slight tow in in the front of the axle. If you flip the axle you will be towed out in the front. It will be all over the road when you pull it.

If you flip the axle side to side 180degrees and trun it upside down you might end up with tow in towards the front. It's been a long day and I'm not thinking clearly in three demensions. I think you will still be towed out in front.

I can't picture that. If the axle has slight toe-in and zero camber:
1. flip it 180 degrees on its axis, top is now bottom and front is now back, and it should now have toe-out.
2. rotate 180 degrees (viewed from the top), back returns to front, and it should have the original toe-in.

Of course, this only works if camber is zero.

Degnol · 10-29-07, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by D'Animal

Can You. Yes.

It's been a long day and I'm not thinking clearly in three dementia. I think you will still be towed out in front.

Fixed that for you

D'Animal · 10-29-07, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OswaldtheBold

I can't picture that. If the axle has slight toe-in and zero camber:
1. flip it 180 degrees on its axis, top is now bottom and front is now back, and it should now have toe-out.
2. rotate 180 degrees (viewed from the top), back returns to front, and it should have the original toe-in.

Of course, this only works if camber is zero.

That is what I was thinking. I drew it out on paper and it looked right. (I'm at a Hampton Inn instead of a Holiday Inn so I'm not thinking clearly.)

I do know that I put my very first trailer Axle on wrong. I had to flip it around 180 degrees.

450 DUDE · 10-29-07, 09:51 PM

Cool , Cool..

Thanks for the response!

Just to make it clear; Flip it upsidedown and rotate left to right.

Ya?..

thanks again ,
ken

D'Animal · 10-29-07, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 450 DUDE

Cool , Cool..

Thanks for the response!

Just to make it clear; Flip it upsidedown and rotate left to right.

Ya?..

thanks again ,
ken

Yep.

Measure the outside of the wheel in front and back. Do it in the center of the wheel.

This is just to make sure you have toe in.

alia176 · 10-29-07, 11:18 PM

Just curious, do these suspensions articulate well when sprung over?

LandCruiserPhil · 10-29-07, 11:31 PM

I have a small Jayco pop-up and I just went spring over. On mine the axle had camber with no caster I could see. So I cut the spring perch off and moved them on top of the axle. The center bolt on the spring pack did not need to be flip, the nut fit into the index hole on the perch. Packed the wheel bearings while I was there and it took about 2 1/2 hours by myself. Pick up 4 1/4" of lift

D'Animal · 10-29-07, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LandCruiserPhil

I have a small Jayco pop-up and I just went spring over. On mine the axle had camber with no caster I could see. So I cut the spring perch off and moved them on top of the axle. The center bolt on the spring pack did not need to be flip, the nut fit into the index hole on the perch. Packed the wheel bearings while I was there and it took about 2 1/2 hours by myself. Pick up 4 1/4" of lift

That would be the easiest. If he has a welder.

LandCruiserPhil · 10-29-07, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by D'Animal

That would be the easiest. If he has a welder.

Yes a welder does help.
One thing I failed mention...when it was all done the tongue jack would not raise high enough. Another 1/2 hour extending the the post on the tongue jack so I could get the trailer off the truck.

450 DUDE · 10-30-07, 12:58 PM

Soooo... would it be better if I welded on new perches on the top, and not mess with moving the axle?

Good point on the jack extension, I will be installing one of those QD and Quick flip jacks that works off a spindle that is welded on the side of the tongue.

Thanks again,
ken

LandCruiserPhil · 10-30-07, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 450 DUDE

Soooo... would it be better if I welded on new perches on the top, and not mess with moving the axle?

Good point on the jack extension, I will be installing one of those QD and Quick flip jacks that works off a spindle that is welded on the side of the tongue.

Thanks again,
ken

Ken by relocating the perch the factory caster and camber of the axle will be the same. No guess work...

rusty_tlc · 10-30-07, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by D'Animal

That would be the easiest. If he has a welder.

Does he have a welder?
You should see the bumper he built, he's a freakin Da Vinci with a welder.

rusty_tlc · 10-30-07, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 450 DUDE

Title says it all.
Its on my starcraft (small) pop up.

Im not sure if the alignment pin will be on the other side (small leaf)

I know about zero about leaf's
Thanks,

ken

Are you going to replace the spindles and get rid of the wheel barrow tires?

D'Animal · 10-30-07, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rusty_tlc

Does he have a welder?
You should see the bumper he built, he's a freakin Da Vinci with a welder.

I thought he had an FJ45 so it threw me off when he said he knew nothing about leaf springs. There can't be two people from Ione, the town ain't that darn big.

rusty_tlc · 10-30-07, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by D'Animal

I thought he had an FJ45 so it threw me off when he said he knew nothing about leaf springs. There can't be two people from Ione, the town ain't that darn big.

Ken has an LX450, I've been on a couple of trips with him.

450 DUDE · 10-31-07, 12:00 AM

Ok Dan , Da Vinci ?

Thats one hell of a stretch.

As far as the tires go I have the one step up from the wheelbarrow.
Im not really sure , I figure I will lift it and go from there.

ken ( urban tager)

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Originally Posted by rusty_tlc

Does he have a welder?
You should see the bumper he built, he's a freakin Da Vinci with a welder.

450 DUDE · 10-31-07, 12:04 AM

Once again I WISH !

Is there someone in Ione with a 45? I know that there is a pig in town.
Your right the town is not that darn big.

ken (45 less)

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Originally Posted by D'Animal

I thought he had an FJ45 so it threw me off when he said he knew nothing about leaf springs. There can't be two people from Ione, the town ain't that darn big.

D'Animal · 10-31-07, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 450 DUDE

Once again I WISH !

Is there someone in Ione with a 45?

They have a red one with a V-8.

CaliCruiser · 10-31-07, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by D'Animal

They have a red one with a V-8.

Ya I've seen that one around, it is pretty badass.

rusty_tlc · 10-31-07, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 450 DUDE

Ok Dan , Da Vinci ?

Thats one hell of a stretch.

As far as the tires go I have the one step up from the wheelbarrow.
Im not really sure , I figure I will lift it and go from there.

ken ( urban tager)

Your right that bumper is a POS you should drop it off at my house and start over from scratch.

BTW could you mod it up to fit my 100 before you drop it off?

I've researched small trailer wheels a bit and the spindles are pretty cheap to replace. Your wheels are 6 on 5-1/2" right? If you go with a 3/4 ton I think you can get spindles/hubs that will match.

Niner · 11-03-07, 04:51 AM

2 items never re use a center pin, and don't forget a bump stop since the distance to the frame is now so much greater, not that the springs actually flex that much.

10-29-07, 08:21 PM	#1
450 DUDE IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ione CA Posts: 1,214	Can I just flip this axel??? Title says it all. Its on my starcraft (small) pop up. Im not sure if the alignment pin will be on the other side (small leaf) I know about zero about leaf's Thanks, ken Attached Images __________________ 97 with thingy's and dodads Now with added geek KI6JEO

10-29-07, 08:28 PM	#2
Degnol Noaccount Webwheeler Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansastitty TLCA# 14529 Posts: 6,556	You will need to buy new spring pins, but, yes, you can. Clamp the spring pack together with C-clamps first, remove old spring pins(maybe you can reuse them) install new ones upside down from the way they are installed, flip the axle.....voila! __________________ There is nothing so depraved as a man in the depths of an ether binge '66FJ40, Fresh 2F, H42/Orion(By Poser...LCR4WD), ARB Front/rear(By Poser...LCR4WD), MetalTech Cage installed by Poser, Screw-ups fixed(by Poser) 4WDB Corvette Master, Mini Truck PS, 3.5" Lift, Warn 8274, 33s on stockers

10-29-07, 08:31 PM	#3
D'Animal Beagles Rule! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central California TLCA# 17104 Posts: 10,937	Can You. Yes. Do you want too. No Most all trailer axles are built with a slight tow in in the front of the axle. If you flip the axle you will be towed out in the front. It will be all over the road when you pull it. If you flip the axle side to side 180degrees and trun it upside down you might end up with tow in towards the front. It's been a long day and I'm not thinking clearly in three demensions. I think you will still be towed out in front. __________________ Cruiser Dan at American Toyota Phone is 1-800-432-6668 ext. 8 (I am not cruiser Dan) http://www.fcfabrication.com/

10-29-07, 09:51 PM	#7
450 DUDE IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ione CA Posts: 1,214	Cool , Cool.. Thanks for the response! Just to make it clear; Flip it upsidedown and rotate left to right. Ya?.. thanks again , ken __________________ 97 with thingy's and dodads Now with added geek KI6JEO

10-29-07, 11:18 PM	#9
alia176 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Tijeras, NM TLCA# 15941 Posts: 3,494 Blog Entries: 1	Just curious, do these suspensions articulate well when sprung over? __________________ TLCA # 15941 KE5LED Currently working PA

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LandCruiserPhil IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Scottsdale Arizona Posts: 2,855	I have a small Jayco pop-up and I just went spring over. On mine the axle had camber with no caster I could see. So I cut the spring perch off and moved them on top of the axle. The center bolt on the spring pack did not need to be flip, the nut fit into the index hole on the perch. Packed the wheel bearings while I was there and it took about 2 1/2 hours by myself. Pick up 4 1/4" of lift __________________ "Knowledge without experience is just information" Copper State Cruisers #003

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450 DUDE IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ione CA Posts: 1,214	Soooo... would it be better if I welded on new perches on the top, and not mess with moving the axle? Good point on the jack extension, I will be installing one of those QD and Quick flip jacks that works off a spindle that is welded on the side of the tongue. Thanks again, ken __________________ 97 with thingy's and dodads Now with added geek KI6JEO

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Niner IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Readfield, WI TLCA# 13372 Posts: 695 Blog Entries: 1	2 items never re use a center pin, and don't forget a bump stop since the distance to the frame is now so much greater, not that the springs actually flex that much. __________________ Chris Hannis, TLCA #13372 2008 FJ Cruiser, Bud Built 5, Warn Bull Bar, 9.5TI, OME Heavies all around. 1971 FJ 40, 400 SBC, th400, Dana 20 Tcase, F/R Dana 44's, Front 4 link, rear spring over 1993 4 Runner (the Girlfriends) Stock for sale. A bunch of stuff thats for sale Last edited by Niner; 11-05-07 at 10:33 AM.