My scratch built expedition style trailer build up thread - Page 7

REZARF · 10-07-07, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-man

ahh, forgot about that. Good idea. Also, are you using a wind up/down retractable wheel for the tounge to be able to move the trailer around in your garage? if so, which one are you going to use?

I am using a Bulldog tongue jack rated for several thousand pounds, I got it because I was having a hard time finding one that could extend as high as I needed it to reach. I will get the model number for you.

I plan on making a removable wheel on the bottom of the jacks base plate.

Rezarf <><

REZARF · 10-07-07, 11:59 PM

Well, I got a lot done today. I got the entire large box framed up, and it is starting to look like something now.

My wife came out and made some great suggestions and I am going to sleep on them to see if it could be the direction I take. Basically, she mentioned some sliding drawers that would come out along the sides of the trailer. With the kitchen and other stuff still sliding out the back. It really makes sense dimensionally, and I am going to have tons of room when all is said and done.

I will post up some pics tomorrow when I have some daylight to work with.

Rezarf <><

REZARF · 10-08-07, 10:50 AM

So here are a few pics from yesterdays work.

One of the most time consuming things is trying to fit all this tube together at weird angles and make it look right. Here you can see the joints I made to have proper overlap, I cut them by hand with a cut off wheel on my grinder. All in all they came out good, I would like to see the gaps tightened up a bit but for now I can live with it!

REZARF · 10-08-07, 10:57 AM

Alright! It finally looks like something more than a beefy small flatbed

This is real simple tube work, but to make it square was quite a challenge and time consuming. My wife has suggested making a long drawer down the side of the trailer, over the kitchen drawer that will come out of the rear. This would make two drawers on one half of the trailer, with the kitchen extending out the back and a 12" high 20+"deep drawer that slides out of the sides for the more common stuff. I would keep the other half of the trailer as one Monster drawer that could swallow coolers and larger items with ease. Whatta' think?

Starting to look cool, IMHO

Rezarf <><

REZARF · 10-08-07, 10:58 AM

And just a few more for fun...

REZARF · 10-08-07, 11:09 AM

To clarify...

Box Rocket · 10-08-07, 11:38 AM

coming together. Good work

J-man · 10-08-07, 12:35 PM

perfect. I'm looking for one that i can weld to the side of the tounge so i can crank it up and down with a wheel at the bottom and roll it on/off the hitch. Yours looks like it fits into the tube, right?

Nice way you angled the back of the box - stylish. I made mine the simple easy - 90* angles everywhere.

LakeNorman_FJ40 · 10-08-07, 08:09 PM

Looks great! You trailer-building guys are getting me interested in taking a welding class so I can build a trailer instead of going the M101 route I'm currently thinking about...

Just a thought...will you ever use the trailer for landscaping or other odd-hauling jobs around the house? I'd skip the drawers (unless you mount them from the underside) and just use Pelican cases, RubberMaid tubs, and 5-day coolers strapped down in the trailer bed. This way, you have a multi-purpose trailer. But then you may not need it for anything other than camping...

sseaman · 10-08-07, 08:39 PM

thats looking great, i wish i had the patience to work through all the little details like those on some of my projects

REZARF · 10-08-07, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeNorman_FJ40

Just a thought...will you ever use the trailer for landscaping or other odd-hauling jobs around the house? I'd skip the drawers (unless you mount them from the underside) and just use Pelican cases, RubberMaid tubs, and 5-day coolers strapped down in the trailer bed. This way, you have a multi-purpose trailer. But then you may not need it for anything other than camping...

Check out post 38 for the answer

Also, you don't need to take a class, just get a welder and get after it, the technique with MIG comes pretty easy. Guys in my local club, Rising Sun, all walked me through it until I started to get good strong beads. Just a thought. A class certainly wouldn't hurt but I bought a welding book and read it up before I allowed myself to purchase a welder.

Just my .02

REZARF · 10-08-07, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sseaman

thats looking great, i wish i had the patience to work through all the little details like those on some of my projects

Patience... maybe.

Mre like, slow at getting things done...

Degnol · 10-08-07, 09:34 PM

Drew, will the tub bolt directly to the frame or are you going to use some sort of body mount rubber or urethane? Second question, are you goint to use some of that square tube to support the floor?
Sorry for all the ?s but I am sort of copying off your paper

Ed

nat · 10-08-07, 11:42 PM

Nice work!

REZARF · 10-09-07, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Degnol

Drew, will the tub bolt directly to the frame or are you going to use some sort of body mount rubber or urethane? Second question, are you goint to use some of that square tube to support the floor?
Sorry for all the ?s but I am sort of copying off your paper

Ed

Ed-

I am thinking of bolting right to the frame through the small tubing. No body mounts. I thought about it, but I don't think it is necessary.

I might use some of the square tube on the floor, but for now I plan on using a plywood floor, it makes all the drawers a lot easier to figure out. If I get excessive flex in the floor I will brace it. The floor lays over the inside inch of the frame while the tubing rests on the outside inch of the frame. If you look close in the pics you can see a small 2x2' piece of 3/4" plywood sitting on the frame edge and the tube on the outside edge.

...as for copying, make sure to copy off a smart kid not me

spressomon · 10-10-07, 12:02 AM

Look'n good!

Jacket · 10-12-07, 12:58 PM

Drew - Great to finally meet you today. Fascinating thread and build up you got going here. Very impressive, especially since the metal work is all very new to you. If you ever need an extra set of hands, I'm happy to help out.

I'm anxious to see the finishing work!

- matt

REZARF · 10-12-07, 01:09 PM

Thanks Matt-

I may need a real engineer to pass this thing as road worthy when it is done.

Good to meet you too bud, Go TECH!

Drew

REZARF · 10-13-07, 05:16 PM

Guys I need a few opinions.

I was at the hardware store today and they were clearing out the stainless bolts for a good price. I plan on bolting the "cage" or box to the frame. I am a bit unfamiliar with stainless, but it wasn't much more than the grade 8 stuff.

Would you...

Go grade 8 with nylocks

Or...

Go stainless with stainless nylocks (I think stainless is closer to a grade 8 than grade 5, anyone?)

I am leaning towards the stainless. I am going to use ten 3/8" bolts to hold this thing down.

THANKS!

Rezarf <><

Arya Ebrahimi · 10-13-07, 05:32 PM

I've always been under the impression that generic stainless bolts are pretty soft. I would go grade 8, but that's me.

nat · 10-13-07, 06:21 PM

10 stainless steel 3/8" bolts is going to be plenty strong. Should look nice too.

gavman · 10-13-07, 08:36 PM

I say grade eight, No need for the stainless as everything else will corrode as quick or quicker than the bolts.
Unless of course you are gonna leave them exposed?

REZARF · 10-13-07, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gavman

I say grade eight, No need for the stainless as everything else will corrode as quick or quicker than the bolts.
Unless of course you are gonna leave them exposed?

Yup, they will be exposed to the weather.

RHINO · 10-13-07, 09:21 PM

i dont know much about the hardness of stainless, but i'd definatly go stainless or at least zink plated since it'll be exposed.

the way the back angles out it looks like the axle could come back some for the 60/40 split. but it sure is comming along nicely, keep up the great work man !!

REZARF · 10-13-07, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RHINO

the way the back angles out it looks like the axle could come back some for the 60/40 split. but it sure is comming along nicely, keep up the great work man !!

I think it is the pic that makes it look too forward, the axle is set pretty far back, plus the wieght of the front box ought to balance it out.

Rezarf <><

RHINO · 10-14-07, 08:03 AM

true,, pics always throw stuff off.

10-07-07, 11:59 PM	#182
REZARF IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisville, CO TLCA# 13041 Posts: 2,806	Well, I got a lot done today. I got the entire large box framed up, and it is starting to look like something now. My wife came out and made some great suggestions and I am going to sleep on them to see if it could be the direction I take. Basically, she mentioned some sliding drawers that would come out along the sides of the trailer. With the kitchen and other stuff still sliding out the back. It really makes sense dimensionally, and I am going to have tons of room when all is said and done. I will post up some pics tomorrow when I have some daylight to work with. Rezarf <>< __________________ Drew F. Rising Sun 4x4 Club 76 FJ40, 85 fj60 Engine and Ignition, 35" MTR's, Warn 8074, 4" of lift TPI, snorkeled, racked, Mini-truck P/S... and sometimes running. Friends don't let friends drive Thornbirds... My camping trailer build up thread.

10-08-07, 10:50 AM	#183
REZARF IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisville, CO TLCA# 13041 Posts: 2,806	So here are a few pics from yesterdays work. One of the most time consuming things is trying to fit all this tube together at weird angles and make it look right. Here you can see the joints I made to have proper overlap, I cut them by hand with a cut off wheel on my grinder. All in all they came out good, I would like to see the gaps tightened up a bit but for now I can live with it! Attached Images __________________ Drew F. Rising Sun 4x4 Club 76 FJ40, 85 fj60 Engine and Ignition, 35" MTR's, Warn 8074, 4" of lift TPI, snorkeled, racked, Mini-truck P/S... and sometimes running. Friends don't let friends drive Thornbirds... My camping trailer build up thread.

10-08-07, 10:57 AM	#184
REZARF IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisville, CO TLCA# 13041 Posts: 2,806	Alright! It finally looks like something more than a beefy small flatbed This is real simple tube work, but to make it square was quite a challenge and time consuming. My wife has suggested making a long drawer down the side of the trailer, over the kitchen drawer that will come out of the rear. This would make two drawers on one half of the trailer, with the kitchen extending out the back and a 12" high 20+"deep drawer that slides out of the sides for the more common stuff. I would keep the other half of the trailer as one Monster drawer that could swallow coolers and larger items with ease. Whatta' think? Starting to look cool, IMHO Rezarf <>< Attached Images __________________ Drew F. Rising Sun 4x4 Club 76 FJ40, 85 fj60 Engine and Ignition, 35" MTR's, Warn 8074, 4" of lift TPI, snorkeled, racked, Mini-truck P/S... and sometimes running. Friends don't let friends drive Thornbirds... My camping trailer build up thread.

10-08-07, 10:58 AM	#185
REZARF IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisville, CO TLCA# 13041 Posts: 2,806	And just a few more for fun... Attached Images __________________ Drew F. Rising Sun 4x4 Club 76 FJ40, 85 fj60 Engine and Ignition, 35" MTR's, Warn 8074, 4" of lift TPI, snorkeled, racked, Mini-truck P/S... and sometimes running. Friends don't let friends drive Thornbirds... My camping trailer build up thread.

10-08-07, 11:09 AM	#186
REZARF IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisville, CO TLCA# 13041 Posts: 2,806	To clarify... Attached Images __________________ Drew F. Rising Sun 4x4 Club 76 FJ40, 85 fj60 Engine and Ignition, 35" MTR's, Warn 8074, 4" of lift TPI, snorkeled, racked, Mini-truck P/S... and sometimes running. Friends don't let friends drive Thornbirds... My camping trailer build up thread.

10-08-07, 11:38 AM	#187
Box Rocket IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: I'm a Utah-rd! TLCA# 7476 Posts: 680	coming together. Good work __________________ Adam Tolman - '93 FZJ80 M y R O T W http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-te...ox-rocket.html

10-08-07, 12:35 PM	#188
J-man IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: West Los Angeles Posts: 124	perfect. I'm looking for one that i can weld to the side of the tounge so i can crank it up and down with a wheel at the bottom and roll it on/off the hitch. Yours looks like it fits into the tube, right? Nice way you angled the back of the box - stylish. I made mine the simple easy - 90* angles everywhere. __________________ 2003 Land Cruiser v8 4x4 2000 4Runner v6 5spd 4x4 - Turbo'd and Baja ready... 1999 4Runner v6 5spd 4x4 1998 4Runner v6 5spd 4x4 factory locker 1997 4Runner v6 Auto 4x4 All have Saw's/OME combo lifts & custom roof racks My Baja Trailer Build: http://forum.ih8mud.com/trailer-tech/179520-my-baja-trailer-build.html

10-08-07, 08:09 PM	#189
LakeNorman_FJ40 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC, USA Posts: 242	Looks great! You trailer-building guys are getting me interested in taking a welding class so I can build a trailer instead of going the M101 route I'm currently thinking about... Just a thought...will you ever use the trailer for landscaping or other odd-hauling jobs around the house? I'd skip the drawers (unless you mount them from the underside) and just use Pelican cases, RubberMaid tubs, and 5-day coolers strapped down in the trailer bed. This way, you have a multi-purpose trailer. But then you may not need it for anything other than camping...

10-08-07, 08:39 PM	#190
sseaman IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 1,334	thats looking great, i wish i had the patience to work through all the little details like those on some of my projects __________________ 91 FJ80 318k, spare tire mod, custom roof rack----SOLD 98 4runner 136k 98 Avalon 138k

10-08-07, 09:34 PM	#193
Degnol Noaccount Webwheeler Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansastitty TLCA# 14529 Posts: 6,383	Drew, will the tub bolt directly to the frame or are you going to use some sort of body mount rubber or urethane? Second question, are you goint to use some of that square tube to support the floor? Sorry for all the ?s but I am sort of copying off your paper Ed __________________ There is nothing so depraved as a man in the depths of an ether binge '66FJ40, Fresh 2F, H42/Orion(By Poser...LCR4WD), ARB Front/rear(By Poser...LCR4WD), MetalTech Cage installed by Poser, Screw-ups fixed(by Poser) 4WDB Corvette Master, Mini Truck PS, 3.5" Lift, Warn 8274, 33s on stockers

10-08-07, 11:42 PM	#194
nat IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I'm in like Flynn Posts: 872	Nice work! __________________ 1972 FJ55 "Geirdriful" named after one of the Valkyries Check out my build thread: http://forum.ih8mud.com/fj55-iron-pig-preservation-society/165633-build-up-progress-my-piggie.html Some more good pics of the Pig here too: http://forum.ih8mud.com/fj55-iron-pi...-iron-pig.html Maid Marion, "Why, you speak treason!" Robin Hood, "Fluently."

10-10-07, 12:02 AM	#196
spressomon IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Reno Posts: 4,798	Look'n good! __________________ Modded '99 for overlanding/exploring: 35's, 4.88's, AO drawers, Slee rr, TJM fr, ARB fr locker, ear candy, Waeco CF-50, PowerGate with 2nd battery, home brew sliders & t-case skid plate, 9.5XP/X-line, LF 170's, OEM 864's, Foxes x 4, 12mm BL, Carl's UCAs, ... KE7NCM

10-12-07, 12:58 PM	#197
Jacket IH8MUD Junior Join Date: May 2007 Location: Colorado TLCA# 17718 Posts: 116	Drew - Great to finally meet you today. Fascinating thread and build up you got going here. Very impressive, especially since the metal work is all very new to you. If you ever need an extra set of hands, I'm happy to help out. I'm anxious to see the finishing work! - matt __________________ 2006 Tacoma, slightly built 1976 FJ40

10-12-07, 01:09 PM	#198
REZARF IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisville, CO TLCA# 13041 Posts: 2,806	Thanks Matt- I may need a real engineer to pass this thing as road worthy when it is done. Good to meet you too bud, Go TECH! Drew __________________ Drew F. Rising Sun 4x4 Club 76 FJ40, 85 fj60 Engine and Ignition, 35" MTR's, Warn 8074, 4" of lift TPI, snorkeled, racked, Mini-truck P/S... and sometimes running. Friends don't let friends drive Thornbirds... My camping trailer build up thread.

10-13-07, 05:16 PM	#199
REZARF IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisville, CO TLCA# 13041 Posts: 2,806	Guys I need a few opinions. I was at the hardware store today and they were clearing out the stainless bolts for a good price. I plan on bolting the "cage" or box to the frame. I am a bit unfamiliar with stainless, but it wasn't much more than the grade 8 stuff. Would you... Go grade 8 with nylocks Or... Go stainless with stainless nylocks (I think stainless is closer to a grade 8 than grade 5, anyone?) I am leaning towards the stainless. I am going to use ten 3/8" bolts to hold this thing down. THANKS! Rezarf <>< __________________ Drew F. Rising Sun 4x4 Club 76 FJ40, 85 fj60 Engine and Ignition, 35" MTR's, Warn 8074, 4" of lift TPI, snorkeled, racked, Mini-truck P/S... and sometimes running. Friends don't let friends drive Thornbirds... My camping trailer build up thread.

10-13-07, 05:32 PM	#200
Arya Ebrahimi Something clever Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Blacksburg, VA Posts: 2,429	I've always been under the impression that generic stainless bolts are pretty soft. I would go grade 8, but that's me. __________________ HOKIES UNITED Arya Ebrahimi '94 FZJ80 200k miles, locked, 285 Revo's, ARB Bullbar, Hella 4000's, homemade drawers My mini-truck buildup thread...updated 9/10 Mini-truck's first trip!! With PICS! 11/10

10-13-07, 06:21 PM	#201
nat IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: I'm in like Flynn Posts: 872	10 stainless steel 3/8" bolts is going to be plenty strong. Should look nice too. __________________ 1972 FJ55 "Geirdriful" named after one of the Valkyries Check out my build thread: http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=165633 Some more good pics of the Pig here too: http://forum.ih8mud.com/fj55-iron-pi...-iron-pig.html Maid Marion, "Why, you speak treason!" Robin Hood, "Fluently."

10-13-07, 08:36 PM	#202
gavman IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vancouver Canada Posts: 125	I say grade eight, No need for the stainless as everything else will corrode as quick or quicker than the bolts. Unless of course you are gonna leave them exposed?

10-13-07, 09:21 PM	#204
RHINO IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: valley of the sunstroke, AZ Posts: 2,790	i dont know much about the hardness of stainless, but i'd definatly go stainless or at least zink plated since it'll be exposed. the way the back angles out it looks like the axle could come back some for the 60/40 split. but it sure is comming along nicely, keep up the great work man !! __________________ 75 BDJ55 soy cruiser 01 TACO got salsa ?

10-14-07, 08:03 AM	#206
RHINO IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: valley of the sunstroke, AZ Posts: 2,790	true,, pics always throw stuff off.