My scratch built expedition style trailer build up thread - Page 6

Section 8 · 09-23-07, 06:30 AM

http://www.speedymetals.com

They will sell you material by the inch.

REZARF · 09-23-07, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Section 8

http://www.speedymetals.com

They will sell you material by the inch.

Yeah, I think www.allmetalsinc.com will too, thanks for the link!

Rezarf <><

REZARF · 09-23-07, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Arya Ebrahimi

Trailer is looking great! How are you planning to build the box? Planning to fabricate it yourself or have someone do it for you?

Thanks Arya-

You know I can't leave well enough alone!

I will be doing EVERYTHING on this trailer, I want to make it from scratch in my garage with my two hands.

I plan on using light gauge steel tubing and skinning it out with sheet steel. I am not going to make a lid that opens, and that means I can get a lot of strength without adding a lot of weight. This goes back to I could make one style trailer nice or make a bunch of compromises. I am going to use a drawer system to access the cargo... since I am better in wood than metal for sure. The tent will be mounted on permanently by using a yakima rack, and if I ever need plywood or sheet goods I can mount it up top on the cross bars.

I have to start shopping for more steel now! WHOO HOO!

Rezarf <><

Grim Reaper · 09-24-07, 06:34 PM

I was going Steel (again, I am rebuilding and the worst part was the skin) and then I thought better of it and going Aluminum on mine to replace the rusty steel that was on it. I can buy a prefinished sheet of .030 for $$60 or so a 4x8. No painting and light. Pop riveting it on with 9/32 rivets.

this is the place I am buying from. They also have tread Brite.

www.wrisco.com

DO NOT use Silicon (Bathtub caulk) for a sealant. It sucks. It will come loose and then wick the water in and hold it and cause corrosion. Then it leaves a residue that you can't get anything to stick to till you grind it off. Use a product like Vulkem or Sikiflex. That stuff will become structural and never let loose. These are products used for assembling campers including Airstreams.

http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/category_s/24.htm

AxleIke · 09-24-07, 10:44 PM

Drew, your welds are looking PHENOMENAL! I will need to hire you do do my bumper and sliders now! You have gone FAR beyond what I'm capable of!

All I can say is WOW!

Wanna take me camping!?!??!

REZARF · 09-30-07, 01:50 PM

Well, I went from this to this...

REZARF · 09-30-07, 02:10 PM

And now a new set of steel! We'll see if we can make this turn into this...

OlympiaFJ60 · 09-30-07, 03:14 PM

The way you went about the trailer, I'm sure the box will turn out just as nice. I'm almost motivated enough to restart mine.

AxleIke · 10-01-07, 12:22 AM

Where are the pics from this weekend?

Can't wait for the rest!

REZARF · 10-01-07, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AxleIke

Where are the pics from this weekend?

Can't wait for the rest!

Somehow, I managed to delete them... first time ever eating the pics. Poof all gone! :(

Arya Ebrahimi · 10-01-07, 03:34 PM

This may be a stupid question, but how do you plan to remove the trailer from the truck when it is loaded if the jack goes in the same hole as the lunette ring?

Are you going to add another place on the side so that you can bring the jack along and jack from the side of the draw bar as well?

REZARF · 10-01-07, 05:30 PM

Check out post #149... I did add a side jack holder.

The plug is for storing the trailer, I might have to use a jackstand to hold it up while installing the plug. But the space I save, by making this thing removable is well worth the effort of having to mess around with it at first.

I did think about that... after the fact, I guess it is one of the bummers of doing it yourself. I have thought about welding that plug to the frame just to the side of the main receiver tube.

I was hoping no one would catch it!

Arya Ebrahimi · 10-01-07, 05:42 PM

Ah yes, makes perfect sense now. Sorry, was having a brain failure I think

Arya Ebrahimi · 10-01-07, 05:48 PM

I was sitting here thinking(dangerous I know) and I was wondering if perhaps you could cut a hole through the second crossmember where the draw arm is, so that you could slide the drawbar in all the way to the 3rd crossmember. That would allow you to shorten it significantly(for storage, etc), especially if it doesn't bottom out on the second crossmember already.

Perhaps a design idea for round 2 if nothing else?

REZARF · 10-01-07, 06:55 PM

Arya-

There are already a bunch of things I would do different. At this point opening the crossmember isn't an option. Thanks for helping think through things though

REZARF · 10-01-07, 06:59 PM

Here is the box I was able to fab up yesterday. Really simple, but to make it square and level and not warp all takes time. This was a few hours of work to cut the 45s, clean them up, prep them for welding, fit them together, get them square and them tack them up.

It came out great, this box will house all kinds of stuff:

12v Battery
Battery Charger
Fuse panel
12v outlets
Charger outlet
Wiring junction box
12v water pump
Shower
Water manifold

Yikes! Didn't realize how many things are going in there until I got it all together.

Just kidding. There will be plenty of room.

Arya Ebrahimi · 10-01-07, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by REZARF

Arya-

There are already a bunch of things I would do different. At this point opening the crossmember isn't an option. Thanks for helping think through things though

That's the nature of doing your R&D and product development. I deal with it constantly on my mini-truck build.

The box looks great! Can't wait to see this thing completed

Degnol · 10-01-07, 07:11 PM

So, Drew, are you going to skin it on the inside of the framework or the outside? Seems like from your drawings you are going to put the sheetmetal on the inside of the skeleton?

Ed

REZARF · 10-01-07, 08:24 PM

A little of both. Once I get the front box done, it will make more sense, but mostly I will skin the inside.

Gotta' trust me on this one.

Drew

J-man · 10-02-07, 11:16 AM

hey rezarf, your build looks sweet. A serious trail trailer. What are you planning to do for the sides? Sheet metal, diamond plate? What about steps infront of the tires intregrated with fenders? sorry if its been answered already. Cant wait to see yours done. I may have to slow down production to get ideas

. j/k

edit: so much for reading...someone just asked ahead of me.. doh!!

Are you going to powdercoat the whole thing, or spray can, or ...?

REZARF · 10-02-07, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-man

hey rezarf, your build looks sweet. A serious trail trailer. What are you planning to do for the sides? Sheet metal, diamond plate? What about steps infront of the tires intregrated with fenders? sorry if its been answered already. Cant wait to see yours done. I may have to slow down production to get ideas

. j/k

edit: so much for reading...someone just asked ahead of me.. doh!!

Are you going to powdercoat the whole thing, or spray can, or ...?

J-man-

I am going to do a few things with the sides. I hope to bend up some tube soon for the fenders. They will be 1.5" tubing with sheet metal to finish them off. Nothing on the market will cover the entire tire and I don't want the trailer to flick muddy boggers onto everything. Once the fenders are in place I will be making area to carry fuel on the outside of the trailer. Propane behind the tires, gas in front. The gas cans will be removeable so I can carry other supplies as well, with small shelf like racks that will double as sliders... clear as mud?

Sheet metal for the sides. I haven't decided if I am going to use plywood on the floor for wieght savings and $ reasons... but I am in the mindset of doing this only once and doing it right.

I will be rattle canning this when I am done... I may use a spray gun, but I am not looking for a show room finish for sure. Sherwin Williams will put custom colors into rattle cans for you for about 10/can... so I may go that route.

Thanks for the compliments.

Rezarf <><

Degnol · 10-02-07, 06:50 PM

Drew, I have given some thought to going to a salvage yard and cutting the bed section out of a pickup then trimming to fit my trailer. I could borrow a gas wrench or maybe a battery powered SawZall. You need the ribs for anti-oil canning and that seems like the cheapest thing that fits the bill.

Ed

BTW, what wall thickness and size of square tube did you use for the slide-in/out tongue?

REZARF · 10-02-07, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Degnol

I could borrow a gas wrench or maybe a battery powered SawZall. You need the ribs for anti-oil canning and that seems like the cheapest thing that fits the bill.

Ed

BTW, what wall thickness and size of square tube did you use for the slide-in/out tongue?

You need the ribs if you don't have supported floor which I do.

I will add a few key braces to sure up the floor and then lay down a sheet of 14 ga.

As for the tubing for the tongue, the main chassis tube is 3x3x.25" and the sliding draw bar is 2.5x2.5x.25... this gives me a "receiver at the ball end if I want to upgrade to a lock-n-roll later.

HTH

Degnol · 10-03-07, 05:27 PM

Just ordered some steel from the local welding shop and was advised that I should order 2x2x 1/4 for the extendable tongue and 2 1/2x 2 1/2 x 3/16 for the frame member that the tongue will fit into. Tolerances are too close to use 1/4 wall thickness

Ed

RHINO · 10-03-07, 07:04 PM

i used reciever tube. but for the record 3/16 is plenty stout for the trailer piece,, heck the rest of my whole trailer frame is 2x2x.120.

09-30-07, 01:50 PM	#156
REZARF IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisville, CO TLCA# 13041 Posts: 2,839	Phase TWO! :D Well, I went from this to this... Attached Images __________________ Drew F. Rising Sun 4x4 Club 76 FJ40, 85 fj60 Engine and Ignition, 35" MTR's, Warn 8074, 4" of lift TPI, snorkeled, racked, Mini-truck P/S... and sometimes running. Friends don't let friends drive Thornbirds... My camping trailer build up thread.

09-30-07, 02:10 PM	#157
REZARF IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisville, CO TLCA# 13041 Posts: 2,839	And now a new set of steel! We'll see if we can make this turn into this... Attached Images __________________ Drew F. Rising Sun 4x4 Club 76 FJ40, 85 fj60 Engine and Ignition, 35" MTR's, Warn 8074, 4" of lift TPI, snorkeled, racked, Mini-truck P/S... and sometimes running. Friends don't let friends drive Thornbirds... My camping trailer build up thread.

09-30-07, 03:14 PM	#158
OlympiaFJ60 IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 722	The way you went about the trailer, I'm sure the box will turn out just as nice. I'm almost motivated enough to restart mine. __________________ '87 FJ60 2FTBI, '73 FJ40, '72 FJ55, '66 FJ40, M416A1 www.olympiafj60.net www.eastolympiacruisers.com

10-01-07, 03:34 PM	#161
Arya Ebrahimi Something clever Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Blacksburg, VA Posts: 2,482	This may be a stupid question, but how do you plan to remove the trailer from the truck when it is loaded if the jack goes in the same hole as the lunette ring? Are you going to add another place on the side so that you can bring the jack along and jack from the side of the draw bar as well? __________________ HOKIES UNITED Arya Ebrahimi '94 FZJ80 200k miles, locked, 285 Revo's, ARB Bullbar, Hella 4000's, homemade drawers My mini-truck buildup thread...updated 9/10 Mini-truck's first trip!! With PICS! 11/10

10-01-07, 05:30 PM	#162
REZARF IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisville, CO TLCA# 13041 Posts: 2,839	Check out post #149... I did add a side jack holder. The plug is for storing the trailer, I might have to use a jackstand to hold it up while installing the plug. But the space I save, by making this thing removable is well worth the effort of having to mess around with it at first. I did think about that... after the fact, I guess it is one of the bummers of doing it yourself. I have thought about welding that plug to the frame just to the side of the main receiver tube. I was hoping no one would catch it! __________________ Drew F. Rising Sun 4x4 Club 76 FJ40, 85 fj60 Engine and Ignition, 35" MTR's, Warn 8074, 4" of lift TPI, snorkeled, racked, Mini-truck P/S... and sometimes running. Friends don't let friends drive Thornbirds... My camping trailer build up thread.

09-23-07, 06:30 AM	#151
Section 8 IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4	http://www.speedymetals.com They will sell you material by the inch.

09-24-07, 06:34 PM	#154
Grim Reaper IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 49	I was going Steel (again, I am rebuilding and the worst part was the skin) and then I thought better of it and going Aluminum on mine to replace the rusty steel that was on it. I can buy a prefinished sheet of .030 for $$60 or so a 4x8. No painting and light. Pop riveting it on with 9/32 rivets. this is the place I am buying from. They also have tread Brite. www.wrisco.com DO NOT use Silicon (Bathtub caulk) for a sealant. It sucks. It will come loose and then wick the water in and hold it and cause corrosion. Then it leaves a residue that you can't get anything to stick to till you grind it off. Use a product like Vulkem or Sikiflex. That stuff will become structural and never let loose. These are products used for assembling campers including Airstreams. http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/category_s/24.htm

09-24-07, 10:44 PM	#155
AxleIke IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 50	Drew, your welds are looking PHENOMENAL! I will need to hire you do do my bumper and sliders now! You have gone FAR beyond what I'm capable of! All I can say is WOW! Wanna take me camping!?!??!

10-01-07, 12:22 AM	#159
AxleIke IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 50	Where are the pics from this weekend? Can't wait for the rest!

10-01-07, 05:42 PM	#163
Arya Ebrahimi Something clever Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Blacksburg, VA Posts: 2,482	Ah yes, makes perfect sense now. Sorry, was having a brain failure I think __________________ HOKIES UNITED Arya Ebrahimi '94 FZJ80 200k miles, locked, 285 Revo's, ARB Bullbar, Hella 4000's, homemade drawers My mini-truck buildup thread...updated 9/10 Mini-truck's first trip!! With PICS! 11/10

10-01-07, 05:48 PM	#164
Arya Ebrahimi Something clever Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Blacksburg, VA Posts: 2,482	I was sitting here thinking(dangerous I know) and I was wondering if perhaps you could cut a hole through the second crossmember where the draw arm is, so that you could slide the drawbar in all the way to the 3rd crossmember. That would allow you to shorten it significantly(for storage, etc), especially if it doesn't bottom out on the second crossmember already. Perhaps a design idea for round 2 if nothing else? __________________ HOKIES UNITED Arya Ebrahimi '94 FZJ80 200k miles, locked, 285 Revo's, ARB Bullbar, Hella 4000's, homemade drawers My mini-truck buildup thread...updated 9/10 Mini-truck's first trip!! With PICS! 11/10

10-01-07, 06:55 PM	#165
REZARF IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisville, CO TLCA# 13041 Posts: 2,839	Arya- There are already a bunch of things I would do different. At this point opening the crossmember isn't an option. Thanks for helping think through things though __________________ Drew F. Rising Sun 4x4 Club 76 FJ40, 85 fj60 Engine and Ignition, 35" MTR's, Warn 8074, 4" of lift TPI, snorkeled, racked, Mini-truck P/S... and sometimes running. Friends don't let friends drive Thornbirds... My camping trailer build up thread.

10-01-07, 06:59 PM	#166
REZARF IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisville, CO TLCA# 13041 Posts: 2,839	Here is the box I was able to fab up yesterday. Really simple, but to make it square and level and not warp all takes time. This was a few hours of work to cut the 45s, clean them up, prep them for welding, fit them together, get them square and them tack them up. It came out great, this box will house all kinds of stuff: 12v Battery Battery Charger Fuse panel 12v outlets Charger outlet Wiring junction box 12v water pump Shower Water manifold Yikes! Didn't realize how many things are going in there until I got it all together. Just kidding. There will be plenty of room. Attached Images __________________ Drew F. Rising Sun 4x4 Club 76 FJ40, 85 fj60 Engine and Ignition, 35" MTR's, Warn 8074, 4" of lift TPI, snorkeled, racked, Mini-truck P/S... and sometimes running. Friends don't let friends drive Thornbirds... My camping trailer build up thread.

10-01-07, 07:11 PM	#168
Degnol Noaccount Webwheeler Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansastitty TLCA# 14529 Posts: 6,468	So, Drew, are you going to skin it on the inside of the framework or the outside? Seems like from your drawings you are going to put the sheetmetal on the inside of the skeleton? Ed __________________ There is nothing so depraved as a man in the depths of an ether binge '66FJ40, Fresh 2F, H42/Orion(By Poser...LCR4WD), ARB Front/rear(By Poser...LCR4WD), MetalTech Cage installed by Poser, Screw-ups fixed(by Poser) 4WDB Corvette Master, Mini Truck PS, 3.5" Lift, Warn 8274, 33s on stockers

10-01-07, 08:24 PM	#169
REZARF IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisville, CO TLCA# 13041 Posts: 2,839	A little of both. Once I get the front box done, it will make more sense, but mostly I will skin the inside. Gotta' trust me on this one. Drew __________________ Drew F. Rising Sun 4x4 Club 76 FJ40, 85 fj60 Engine and Ignition, 35" MTR's, Warn 8074, 4" of lift TPI, snorkeled, racked, Mini-truck P/S... and sometimes running. Friends don't let friends drive Thornbirds... My camping trailer build up thread.

10-02-07, 11:16 AM	#170
J-man IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: West Los Angeles Posts: 124	hey rezarf, your build looks sweet. A serious trail trailer. What are you planning to do for the sides? Sheet metal, diamond plate? What about steps infront of the tires intregrated with fenders? sorry if its been answered already. Cant wait to see yours done. I may have to slow down production to get ideas . j/k edit: so much for reading...someone just asked ahead of me.. doh!! Are you going to powdercoat the whole thing, or spray can, or ...? __________________ 2003 Land Cruiser v8 4x4 2000 4Runner v6 5spd 4x4 - Turbo'd and Baja ready... 1999 4Runner v6 5spd 4x4 1998 4Runner v6 5spd 4x4 factory locker 1997 4Runner v6 Auto 4x4 All have Saw's/OME combo lifts & custom roof racks My Baja Trailer Build: http://forum.ih8mud.com/trailer-tech/179520-my-baja-trailer-build.html

10-02-07, 06:50 PM	#172
Degnol Noaccount Webwheeler Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansastitty TLCA# 14529 Posts: 6,468	Drew, I have given some thought to going to a salvage yard and cutting the bed section out of a pickup then trimming to fit my trailer. I could borrow a gas wrench or maybe a battery powered SawZall. You need the ribs for anti-oil canning and that seems like the cheapest thing that fits the bill. Ed BTW, what wall thickness and size of square tube did you use for the slide-in/out tongue? __________________ There is nothing so depraved as a man in the depths of an ether binge '66FJ40, Fresh 2F, H42/Orion(By Poser...LCR4WD), ARB Front/rear(By Poser...LCR4WD), MetalTech Cage installed by Poser, Screw-ups fixed(by Poser) 4WDB Corvette Master, Mini Truck PS, 3.5" Lift, Warn 8274, 33s on stockers

10-03-07, 05:27 PM	#174
Degnol Noaccount Webwheeler Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansastitty TLCA# 14529 Posts: 6,468	Just ordered some steel from the local welding shop and was advised that I should order 2x2x 1/4 for the extendable tongue and 2 1/2x 2 1/2 x 3/16 for the frame member that the tongue will fit into. Tolerances are too close to use 1/4 wall thickness Ed __________________ There is nothing so depraved as a man in the depths of an ether binge '66FJ40, Fresh 2F, H42/Orion(By Poser...LCR4WD), ARB Front/rear(By Poser...LCR4WD), MetalTech Cage installed by Poser, Screw-ups fixed(by Poser) 4WDB Corvette Master, Mini Truck PS, 3.5" Lift, Warn 8274, 33s on stockers

10-03-07, 07:04 PM	#175
RHINO IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: valley of the sunstroke, AZ Posts: 2,804	i used reciever tube. but for the record 3/16 is plenty stout for the trailer piece,, heck the rest of my whole trailer frame is 2x2x.120. __________________ 75 BDJ55 soy cruiser 01 TACO got salsa ?