Past Issues Available On Line (Suggestion)

Romer · 07-11-05, 09:43 PM

I was thinking it would be nice that if you are a paid up TLCA member, you could view the past issues on line.

nuclearlemon · 07-11-05, 11:48 PM

but then, how does tlca make money off all the issues they have left over?

Metal Spice · 07-12-05, 07:10 AM

YOU tell Todd.

woody · 07-12-05, 07:24 AM

IMO, great idea...

people come to TLCA.org, find out that they can either A> purchase old issues or B> Join TLCA to get the current issues AND see portions of the old issues online....

and, those same people now know that with the old issues online, they no longer need to hoard their 15 year old pile of TT's and can instead give them away to other potential TLCA people to entice them into joining...

I'm missing the downside...seems like a fast-easy membership driver, and increases the possibility of meeting the print-minimums that cause the extra issues now....

question is, which makes more $$...selling out with new memberships, or old inventory? Figger ya print 5000 each issue, 3500 go to members, 1500 sit in the closet...storage, packaging for sale, taking orders for those issues, etc all costs money...it's cheapest/easiest to include in the initial bulk mailing....

and including some/all of the tech/trail articles online only will entice new members more...heck, some people PREFER things online versus print! Just think...TT mails July 1, and it's online July 15....means I can leave the print version in the bathroom (where it belongs, for quality reading time) and I can still access the articles at my desk at work or from a hotel....

still missing the downside....

Chef · 07-12-05, 09:16 AM

Hey!
This is an idea that we are working on. The Toyota Trails section of www.tlca.org, found here:
http://www.tlca.org/trails/
is under development and will be somewhat archival in nature, but there is no way we can input all the back issues in their entirety. It would be hugely expensive to do so.

So, thanks for your idea, it's a good one, and we are implementing in small portions. Every time TT comes out, the archives will get a little deeper.

chef

Kaderabek · 07-12-05, 01:59 PM

11,136 scans, give or take. Yikes.

I have some old issues that as time (and money) allow we'll be scanning for the archive. It's fun stuff that should be shared.

TJK

Chef · 07-12-05, 02:16 PM

Exactly, thanks TJK.

I really like your avatar.

Deny · 07-12-05, 02:17 PM

I have an idea,
Since I have already bought all the back issues that are available, it would be nice to see some of the un-attainable issues. I am sure an old time member would be willing to loan the issues for scanning, and that way, even though we can't get our hands on them, we can see what the TT evolved from, and will give people an idea of what they can expect when they order their back issues.
Cheers,
Deny

Kaderabek · 07-12-05, 03:41 PM

That's the type of thing I'm talking about, and I have some of it. Really old....

Like as old as Alan.

TJK

Deny · 07-12-05, 04:16 PM

Sweet, I guess we'll be reading about how Alan was wheeling over the Dinasours then?

Chef · 07-12-05, 04:29 PM

I resemble that remark and I'm highly unsalted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaderabek

That's the type of thing I'm talking about, and I have some of it. Really old....

Like as old as Alan.

TJK

dmc · 07-13-05, 01:07 PM

My ingorant opinion is this...

I don't think every page of every Trails should be available. I like the idea of portions of each available online. Use this as a teaser to sell back issues and recruit new members. A lot of us place TT at the top of the list of benefits of TLCA membership and giving it away seems counterintuitive to me. I pay my dues for Trails. Perhaps I missed it but the TLCA forum and website are open to the public. No reason to join if you get the goods for free. something about a cow and free milk goes here...

dmc

concretejungle · 07-13-05, 07:24 PM

I agree with Dave on this one. Only the issues that are, say 5 years old and older should be available on-line. I think us purchasing the real thing is an important source of income for TT.

woody · 07-14-05, 07:17 AM

IMO, portions outta be available to the general public....those with TLCA numbers outta have a password/login to view the majority of it...

added bonus for membership....

dmc · 07-14-05, 12:18 PM

Woody,

I think your idea would be the best solution but that involves someone (you?) assigning passwords and the security behind it. I'm not technical so maybe that is a simple process but not knowing I'd hate to make a recommendation that someone else has to execute.
dmc

concretejungle · 07-14-05, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woody

IMO, portions outta be available to the general public....those with TLCA numbers outta have a password/login to view the majority of it...

added bonus for membership....

great idea.

desertdude · 07-15-05, 08:51 AM

Especially some of the early tech articles are which are quite valuable, the web is a great archive for the future...

Kaderabek · 07-15-05, 08:53 AM

Curious, why do you place more value on the earlier articles?

TJK

desertdude · 07-15-05, 08:55 AM

a lot of it was vintage repair - and you can see the progress of modifications as to what works and what does not. The value of history and hindsight all in one

Klunky Chris · 07-17-05, 04:46 PM

REALLY good idea. I've often thought about this!

I agree that the out of print articles should be made available if possible.
I've already bought every issue available, but have holes in my collection due to lack of availability.

However, that said, I would love to be able to simply access the site from a friends house and show him/her an article or two online. Also, in some situations it would be easier than digging my old magazines out.
Definitely a plus IMO

Maybe we get a chairity group together and everyone is responsible for 1 issue to scan. Then we send it to someone to archive? You tell us what format and resolution to make it. No reason 1 or 2 people should be responsible for all that work....

good idea? bad?

Niner · 07-22-05, 10:37 AM

Having it Online is also a selling point for advertisers, so the general (non-members) could get to see a teaser but all of the advertisers. This gets them more exposure for their advertising dollar.

BLKDOG40 · 11-11-05, 10:20 AM

Do you need any help adding content to the archive?
If someone could come up with a set of directions to make the whole process a standard and set up ftp access to allow volunteers to upload their work. Then someone else review the work, approve and make it available.

pardion · 12-29-05, 11:06 PM

Are ALL issues accounted for? I should have them all. Thanks, John Pardi TLCA#1561, and mabye even much earlier than that.

07-11-05, 11:48 PM	#2
nuclearlemon IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: meh-ico, colorado TLCA# 1431 Posts: 8,200	but then, how does tlca make money off all the issues they have left over? __________________ seven cruisers and 3 of em run and four are for sale

07-12-05, 07:10 AM	#3
Metal Spice IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Missouri TLCA# 5314, TLCA Administrator Posts: 76	YOU tell Todd. __________________ Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me. TLCA Admin - #5314 Rock is dead. Long live paper & scissors.

07-12-05, 07:24 AM	#4
woody Admin Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Appleton, WI TLCA# 1548 Posts: 7,671 Blog Entries: 1	IMO, great idea... people come to TLCA.org, find out that they can either A> purchase old issues or B> Join TLCA to get the current issues AND see portions of the old issues online.... and, those same people now know that with the old issues online, they no longer need to hoard their 15 year old pile of TT's and can instead give them away to other potential TLCA people to entice them into joining... I'm missing the downside...seems like a fast-easy membership driver, and increases the possibility of meeting the print-minimums that cause the extra issues now.... question is, which makes more $$...selling out with new memberships, or old inventory? Figger ya print 5000 each issue, 3500 go to members, 1500 sit in the closet...storage, packaging for sale, taking orders for those issues, etc all costs money...it's cheapest/easiest to include in the initial bulk mailing.... and including some/all of the tech/trail articles online only will entice new members more...heck, some people PREFER things online versus print! Just think...TT mails July 1, and it's online July 15....means I can leave the print version in the bathroom (where it belongs, for quality reading time) and I can still access the articles at my desk at work or from a hotel.... still missing the downside.... __________________ Brian 'woody' Swearingen 1974 FJ40 'The Raisin' - Pitbull Rockers, 30-spline Longfields, SOA - 1/4 ellip 1996 FZJ80 'Gretchen' - MetalTech, ARB, OME, IPOR, 4x4Labs 2003 2500HD Duramax - Edge/Juice/Attitude, 285 Nitto Terra Grapplers, 4" exhaust

07-12-05, 09:16 AM	#5
Chef IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 TLCA# 6235 TLCA Prez Posts: 1,693	Done! Hey! This is an idea that we are working on. The Toyota Trails section of www.tlca.org, found here: http://www.tlca.org/trails/ is under development and will be somewhat archival in nature, but there is no way we can input all the back issues in their entirety. It would be hugely expensive to do so. So, thanks for your idea, it's a good one, and we are implementing in small portions. Every time TT comes out, the archives will get a little deeper. chef __________________ My tailight is kewler than yours... Visit www.tlca.org! TLCA Member 6235/TLCA Prez TornadoAlleyCruisers,Lone Star Cruisers

07-12-05, 01:59 PM	#6
Kaderabek IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Fairview, NC Posts: 2,942	11,136 scans, give or take. Yikes. I have some old issues that as time (and money) allow we'll be scanning for the archive. It's fun stuff that should be shared. TJK __________________ Todd J. Kaderabek TLCA # 9280, Fairview, NC


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07-11-05, 09:43 PM	#1
Romer Kneel for the Shaman Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Englewood, Colorado TLCA# 13968 Posts: 7,533	Past Issues Available On Line (Suggestion) I was thinking it would be nice that if you are a paid up TLCA member, you could view the past issues on line. __________________ Ken Romer ~ Friend of Shaman Keeper of the FAQ, Defender of Newbies, and Slayer of Tards Commander Rising Sun 4WD Club - K0ROM 97 LX450, Supercharged, Locked, and lots of other stuff ROTW 96 LX450 - ROD's 06 4Runner - Wife's 99 4Runner - daughterofromer's 03 BMW Z4 Roadster

07-12-05, 02:16 PM	#7
Chef IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 TLCA# 6235 TLCA Prez Posts: 1,693	Exactly, thanks TJK. I really like your avatar. __________________ My tailight is kewler than yours... Visit www.tlca.org! TLCA Member 6235/TLCA Prez TornadoAlleyCruisers,Lone Star Cruisers

07-12-05, 02:17 PM	#8
Deny IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Fort St John, BC TLCA# 11568 Posts: 1,362	I have an idea, Since I have already bought all the back issues that are available, it would be nice to see some of the un-attainable issues. I am sure an old time member would be willing to loan the issues for scanning, and that way, even though we can't get our hands on them, we can see what the TT evolved from, and will give people an idea of what they can expect when they order their back issues. Cheers, Deny __________________ Diesels Rule 81 BJ42 Check out my endless fix up progress at http://forum.ih8mud.com/ca-bc-peace-canyon-toyota-swamp-donkeys/152995-bj42-winter-fix-up.html

07-12-05, 03:41 PM	#9
Kaderabek IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Fairview, NC Posts: 2,942	That's the type of thing I'm talking about, and I have some of it. Really old.... Like as old as Alan. TJK __________________ Todd J. Kaderabek TLCA # 9280, Fairview, NC

07-12-05, 04:16 PM	#10
Deny IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Fort St John, BC TLCA# 11568 Posts: 1,362	Sweet, I guess we'll be reading about how Alan was wheeling over the Dinasours then? __________________ Diesels Rule 81 BJ42 Check out my endless fix up progress at http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=152995

07-13-05, 01:07 PM	#12
dmc IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Wandering the Western Hemisphere TLCA# 11141 Posts: 595	My ingorant opinion is this... I don't think every page of every Trails should be available. I like the idea of portions of each available online. Use this as a teaser to sell back issues and recruit new members. A lot of us place TT at the top of the list of benefits of TLCA membership and giving it away seems counterintuitive to me. I pay my dues for Trails. Perhaps I missed it but the TLCA forum and website are open to the public. No reason to join if you get the goods for free. something about a cow and free milk goes here... dmc __________________ dave connors 1997 FZJ80 - Ruby Claire Ruby Claire Part 2 www.expeditionamericas.com

07-13-05, 07:24 PM	#13
concretejungle IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Cadillac TLCA# 14646 Posts: 6,167	I agree with Dave on this one. Only the issues that are, say 5 years old and older should be available on-line. I think us purchasing the real thing is an important source of income for TT. __________________ 95' FZJ80 OME med./J lift, ARB rack, ARB Bull Bar w/tmax 12,500, 315 Nitto, stainless brake lines, Center Diff Lock, Sliders, IPOR Skid, IPOR rear bumper, upgraded slee sticker, custom dents, more to come. . . Remember it's a gateway drug, so it will actually lead to "crystal meh".

07-14-05, 07:17 AM	#14
woody Admin Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Appleton, WI TLCA# 1548 Posts: 7,671 Blog Entries: 1	IMO, portions outta be available to the general public....those with TLCA numbers outta have a password/login to view the majority of it... added bonus for membership.... __________________ Brian 'woody' Swearingen 1974 FJ40 'The Raisin' - Pitbull Rockers, 30-spline Longfields, SOA - 1/4 ellip 1996 FZJ80 'Gretchen' - MetalTech, ARB, OME, IPOR, 4x4Labs 2003 2500HD Duramax - Edge/Juice/Attitude, 285 Nitto Terra Grapplers, 4" exhaust

07-14-05, 12:18 PM	#15
dmc IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Wandering the Western Hemisphere TLCA# 11141 Posts: 595	Woody, I think your idea would be the best solution but that involves someone (you?) assigning passwords and the security behind it. I'm not technical so maybe that is a simple process but not knowing I'd hate to make a recommendation that someone else has to execute. dmc __________________ dave connors 1997 FZJ80 - Ruby Claire Ruby Claire Part 2 www.expeditionamericas.com

07-15-05, 08:51 AM	#17
desertdude IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sedona Arizona TLCA# 2911 Posts: 2,819	Especially some of the early tech articles are which are quite valuable, the web is a great archive for the future... __________________ <---------------------©-------------------> • North <-> South <-> East <-> West • <---------------------©------------------->

07-15-05, 08:53 AM	#18
Kaderabek IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Fairview, NC Posts: 2,942	Curious, why do you place more value on the earlier articles? TJK __________________ Todd J. Kaderabek TLCA # 9280, Fairview, NC

07-15-05, 08:55 AM	#19
desertdude IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sedona Arizona TLCA# 2911 Posts: 2,819	a lot of it was vintage repair - and you can see the progress of modifications as to what works and what does not. The value of history and hindsight all in one __________________ <---------------------©-------------------> • North <-> South <-> East <-> West • <---------------------©------------------->

07-17-05, 04:46 PM	#20
Klunky Chris IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Shippensburg PA TLCA# 4821 Posts: 1,061	REALLY good idea. I've often thought about this! I agree that the out of print articles should be made available if possible. I've already bought every issue available, but have holes in my collection due to lack of availability. However, that said, I would love to be able to simply access the site from a friends house and show him/her an article or two online. Also, in some situations it would be easier than digging my old magazines out. Definitely a plus IMO Maybe we get a chairity group together and everyone is responsible for 1 issue to scan. Then we send it to someone to archive? You tell us what format and resolution to make it. No reason 1 or 2 people should be responsible for all that work.... good idea? bad? __________________ Chris Basehore TLCA# 4821 74 FJ40- built F, knuckles/brakes from a FJ60, Longs, 4" Pinnacle sucks big wads, mini PS, shite paint 93FZJ80 "klunky"- E-lockers, home built sliders, IronPigOffRoad bumper, CDL switch, D-less, mucho maintenance www.ILUVROCKS.com

07-22-05, 10:37 AM	#21
Niner IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Readfield, WI TLCA# 13372 Posts: 695 Blog Entries: 1	Having it Online is also a selling point for advertisers, so the general (non-members) could get to see a teaser but all of the advertisers. This gets them more exposure for their advertising dollar. __________________ Chris Hannis, TLCA #13372 2008 FJ Cruiser, Bud Built 5, Warn Bull Bar, 9.5TI, OME Heavies all around. 1971 FJ 40, 400 SBC, th400, Dana 20 Tcase, F/R Dana 44's, Front 4 link, rear spring over 1993 4 Runner (the Girlfriends) Stock for sale. A bunch of stuff thats for sale

11-11-05, 10:20 AM	#22
BLKDOG40 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Baton Rouge, LA TLCA# 12850 Posts: 498	Do you need any help adding content to the archive? If someone could come up with a set of directions to make the whole process a standard and set up ftp access to allow volunteers to upload their work. Then someone else review the work, approve and make it available. __________________ Jason D '75 FJ40 2F, SM420, FC Fabrication Roll Cage '70 FJ40 in pieces TLCA #12850

12-29-05, 11:06 PM	#23
pardion IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 TLCA# 1561 Posts: 410	old issues Are ALL issues accounted for? I should have them all. Thanks, John Pardi TLCA#1561, and mabye even much earlier than that.

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