Cruise Moab 2005 Trail Assignments?

[NorCalDoug]

Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

More like 5 minutes Doug.

You forget though. I have an awesome "crutch" there at home to support me. An 80 with a 70+ degree approach and a 45 degree departure. Which would YOU bring to Moab? EXACTLY.......can't wait to take those lines!

Honestly, if I had talked all the crap about "my 100 this...and my 100 that...", I'd have no choice but to bring the 100 regardless of what the wife said.

I would be ashamed of myself if I brought my 80 after talking so much smack.

The last thing I would do is claim that I'm bringing the 80 because my wife told me to...

EXACTLY.


:meow:


...and I don't to see any more of those weak pics of your 80 dry-humping that mound of dirt...geez...

[NorCalDoug]

Originally Posted by Cruiserdrew

This talk of bringing the 100 series was just talk to stir things up. And here I thought Shotts was serious.

Come on...you didn't really think he had the huevos to bring the 100 did you?

Originally Posted by Cruiserdrew

Still-I can't wait for another shot at Golden Spike. It's a great trail in every respect. I guess Amando will remain as the only 100 series across the crack.

FACT

[wesintl]

Originally Posted by nuclearlemon

v8....he wishes

v8, I6, gasser.. been a while since I worked on any of them

[wesintl]

I heard a few Toyota engineers were going to be in moab and run Thurs: SPIKE, Fri: FINS, Sat: HELLS in the new fj cruiser... stock no less.

[nuclearlemon]

Originally Posted by wesintl

I heard a few Toyota engineers were going to be in moab and run Thurs: SPIKE, Fri: FINS, Sat: HELLS in the new fj cruiser... stock no less.

yeah...where's treeroot with his whole "orion/i want to believe" thread.

[sleeoffroad]

Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

Drew: My wife is right. I'll be salivating over taking lines like this. Down here they're few and far between. In Moab it looks like they're everywhere. She's right (God luv her!). These pics are from grades none of my 80 buddies can even do because of their size. I wanna do em. I'm coming to Moab!

That is not a line, that is just a big old rock that I am pretty sure you can drive a 100 up a well All I can say is that if you bring the 80, you better not back out of any lines On the trails you got, there is nothing the 80 can do that the 100 can not do. There are quite a few options that I am pretty sure you wont take with either. You have a buddy that can paint for cheap, so the bumpers will scrape, but that is all.

OK, I am off to work to finally work on my own ch(*#@$&t before Moab. Swap crawler box, swap birfs and inner axles and do some touch up painting. Haven't wheeled that truck for a year.

[desertdude]

Adimit it John, you really want to bring both. You're just working you way to that reality

[sleeoffroad]

Man, I would bring the 100 if I can just get the lockers installed before Moab

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by desertdude

Adimit it John, you really want to bring both. You're just working you way to that reality

That's the ideal answer, but the drive is too long and the gas prices are insane.

These guys are insane. I guess they think I need to prove something to them? Nope. And besides, it's already been done by Amando. Why they care about me bringing the 100 I can't figure? I've never went back on off-road statements however these Moab obstacles NOBODY will disagree are in the top 5% of difficulty. I've always said an 80 is better than a 100 in those most difficult situations though they're rare out there overall. We all know it.

Sure, we all know the 100 can take most all the lines an 80 can. We do it here 24/7. Looking at Moab pictures though I see endless opportunities for added challenge if you have a smaller rig. Those lines are lines my 100 just couldn't take. Just like those pictures above of mine, none of my 80 friends can do it. They have to move over to an easier line or their bumpers drag so much they can't climb. I'm going to Moab to climb and thank God my wife helped set me straight.

And Christo? You think I might pass on the tough lines in the 80? Are you wacko? What idiot bought one new and takes his $75K Cruiser where I have? Yer reading his writing. This idiot.

I do fear one thing though by bringing the 80. I said I was done outfitting it. I bet I come back wanting 6" and 37's. (Then I'll hate Moab. )

So in closing my friends (some of you ):

MEOW (whatever that means?)
HUEVOS (you mean stupid enough to bring the 100?)
ASHAMED (no, proud that I was smart enough to leave the 100 home so I can have even more fun)
80 WEAK PICS (I haven't seen another 80 make that climb at the steepest point. Maybe LandCruiserPhil's with 37's. You need extreme app and dep angles. Come out and give it a shotts Doug?)

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by sleeoffroad

All I can say is that if you bring the 80, you better not back out of any lines On the trails you got, there is nothing the 80 can do that the 100 can not do.

Here's an example of why the 80's going (Pic's of Golden Spike).

Pic 1: The easy line, though in the 100 I'd move over to about the wet area then head up. Fun? Yep!

Pic 2: The tough line. That's where I'm heading in the 80. There's no way in hell my 100 (and I'll bet not even Amando's) can do that. The rear bumper will drag so severly you'll be stopped in your tracks.

[sleeoffroad]

Originally Posted by ShottsUZJ100

I've never went back on off-road statements however these Moab obstacles NOBODY will disagree are in the top 5% of difficulty.

I think herein lies the statement. None of the pictures you have posted is in the top 5% of the challenges in Moab (on trails offered at CM). If anything they are average, and barely worth spotting. On spike, the crack is probably one of the easiest obstacles. It is just famous, but not tough.

If you want tough in Moab here is one
Probably close to the top 5% .

and here is another one


and another angle


and then lastly, this one. Hell this was a stock Freelander!


so if you want to prove the 80, take it on Pritchett. Even on a outlaw run. You will have memories and photo's that will make your AZ pictures look like a walk in the park.

The pictures that you posted above is the first part of Poison Spider. The climb to the right is not difficult or that steep.

You are right, you don't have to prove anything. They are your trucks and you can do with them what you want, BUT you are the one that post pics of the 100 in "tough" situations (by your standards). It is not a competition, yet you always post 100 vs 80 posts, and this is the time to show what it is made of. Not prove anything, but really use the vehicle for what you build it. That is why everyone is getting on your case.

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by sleeoffroad

I think herein lies the statement. None of the pictures you have posted is in the top 5% of the challenges in Moab (on trails offered at CM). If anything they are average, and barely worth spotting. On spike, the crack is probably one of the easiest obstacles. It is just famous, but not tough.

If you want tough in Moab here is one
Probably close to the top 5% .



and another angle

so if you want to prove the 80, take it on Pritchett. Even on a outlaw run. You will have memories and photo's that will make your AZ pictures look like a walk in the park.

The pictures that you posted above is the first part of Poison Spider. The climb to the right is not difficult or that steep.

You are right, you don't have to prove anything. They are your trucks and you can do with them what you want, BUT you are the one that post pics of the 100 in "tough" situations (by your standards). It is not a competition, yet you always post 100 vs 80 posts, and this is the time to show what it is made of. Not prove anything, but really use the vehicle for what you build it. That is why everyone is getting on your case.

I never said "top 5% of trails at Moab". I said top 5% of trails period. Line up the thousands of 4WD runs throughout the US and a 100 will run with an 80 on 95% of them and just as easy while also benefiting from many improvements over the 80. Moab offes up MANY trails and obstacles up into that top 5% of the nation. For those it's clear that a 100 is less suited and we all know that. I luv seeing those pics you posted. I also know my 80 may not be able to do those same lines (lift vs flex etc). I know for sure the 100 can't take those lines. The bumpers stick out too far and you'd not have a chance to make the obstacle. If I buy a second 100, I'd cut my frames front and rear and shorten the thing as much a possible, much more than even Amando's. I'm not going to bring the 100 and watch the others having fun on those extreme lines. Not my first time there. I want to have fun!

Had I not of planned originally to bring the 100 I'd a signed up for Spike though I'd of opted for a Steel Bender or Behind the Rocks, or maybe Pritchett. Something like that. I think though being my first time there I'm running suitable trails. Dang, Hell's Gate looks over the top!

[sleeoffroad]

That freelandder was not on Hell's gate. Can't recall what the trail was. Believe that was not one featured at CM. Just busting your chops. Anyway, I would still try to get on Pritchett if you are bringing the 80.

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by sleeoffroad

That freelandder was not on Hell's gate. Can't recall what the trail was. Believe that was not one featured at CM. Just busting your chops. Anyway, I would still try to get on Pritchett if you are bringing the 80.

Thanks on the Pritchett req. I think I'll sit tight though until I see just how bad these trails are. I hear Pritcett's a BEAST!

[ShottsUZJ100]

Originally Posted by sleeoffroad

That freelandder was not on Hell's gate. Can't recall what the trail was. Believe that was not one featured at CM. Just busting your chops. Anyway, I would still try to get on Pritchett if you are bringing the 80.

I wanna do this crud:

[sleeoffroad]

Not sure where that is, doesn't look tough.

This is probably one of the toughest spots on Pritchett now. Used to be a easy drive up.



Used to be like this

[ShottsUZJ100]

Ya, that looks sweet. That firsr pic looks scary! I think it's the one thing on Behind the Rocks that freaks me. The Well's book has a pic of it. High Dive? Is that the super steep ledgy drop?

[sleeoffroad]

Behind Rocks
http://www.sleeoffroad.com/trails/behind_2001.htm

and the bottom of the page is white knuckle hill.
http://www.sleeoffroad.com/trails/cr...oab_2000_3.htm

[ShottsUZJ100]

Wild grades on those pics.

The book says High Dive? Is that the same as Nose Dive on your pics?

[sleeoffroad]

Book right, me wrong. Rocks the same.

[ShottsUZJ100]

Ya, I can see going up that but I think I'd be terrified to go down. Do I have that right?

[nuclearlemon]

hhhmmmmm....christo doesn't seem to mention short bus being on the trailer after doing his trails....

[sleeoffroad]

Non sanctioned trails shudupp

[Waggoner5]

Originally Posted by sleeoffroad

Oh, ok now be blame the wife part. I guess I will get the girlfriend to lead the trail then and spot you. BTW, she has never 4wheeled.

I just caught this, are you actually bringing a female to Moab this year? Never wheeled before? This will be fun. While you are resting up om Friday, maybe we should take a little short run over to Moab rim? How is she with heights?
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