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#91 |
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BTW: according to the DNR website, there is a meeting scheduled of the Trail Advisory Board...Nov 8th, 6:30pm...
http://www.midnr.com/pulications/pdf...V-SCHEDULE.pdf you only live 75 miles away, and it's all interstate...should be easy to leave work at 5p and make the meeting in time. I'd love to read your personal report on what transpires. __________________ Brian 'woody' Swearingen 1974 FJ40 'The Raisin' - Pitbull Rockers, 30-spline Longfields, SOA - 1/4 ellip 1996 FZJ80 'Gretchen' - MetalTech, ARB, OME, IPOR, 4x4Labs 2003 2500HD Duramax - Edge/Juice/Attitude, 285 Nitto Terra Grapplers, 4" exhaust |
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#92 | |
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_Sgt. Sardonic_
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Or, better yet, switch sides and start advocating for more land closures. We'd see the largest release of closed lands ever witnessed in the modern world. ![]() But, seriously though. John, you may have some valid complaints, but how would anyone know when you can't articulate your points in any coherent manner? |
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#93 |
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what he said
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 11,161
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I keep reading and still have no idea what you actually want..
Did you buy a copy of Catcher in the Rye lately??? __________________ I am kinda gay....... My Myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=75712409 "Mary Poppins: In every job that must be done, there is an element of fun. You find the fun and - SNAP - the job's a game." |
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#94 | |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Do not allow follow-up minutes of said meetings to be delayed for up to 8 weeks at a time. Demand that all proceedings be recorded (as was been done in the past) to pin down just who said what, when and where involving literally millions of OUR MONEY. (and if the state cries 'funding crisis' as they did when cutting our meeting dates to less than even the snowmobilers are allowed....PAY FOR THE DAMN STENOGRAPHER OURSELVES). #2) Do not allow the state to delay board appointments for the sake of keeping their 'good 'ol cycle boys' on the board in leadership positions. The state has already extended one "I'm the boss, by gosh" term without public notification...and heads into the next soon to expire terms (December) without even a public call for applicants as of today. This has been done so many times it has been impossible to keep track of....and causes all applicant's requests to be strung out over such a long period of time; that their actual appointment dates become impossible to ascertain (causing many good people to not even be availiable when the state finally gets their crap together). A follow up would be the exclusion of any apllicant who doesn't run an elected organization with his or her position being elected itself. We sufferred many years through just such a board member refusing to answer any of our questions and the state/other board members/orv clubs backing this kind of nonsense up with rude replies to everybody complianing about their voice not being heard...and we're sick of it. #3) Do not allow ANY non-profit organization to purposely operate beyond their applied for and admitted operational status for the sole purpose of lobbying issues behind closed doors and anonymously. This creates the arrogant CRAP we have to deal with now and leads to the same kind of embarrasment this community suffered just recently when a prominent national and local orv leader was reprimanded for failing the same organizational skill-set that we 'supposedly' teach other clubs out there on the national level. If we stand by and applaud those sneaking around with bags on their heads and operating blatantly on the fringes of lawful propriety....we are no different than anybody who gets caught red-handed with their hands in the cookie jar.(see the recent proposal here requesting the TRIPLING of subsidized training funds while leaving all other 'non-sessential' funding percentages the same). There's three that don't even TOUCH the "issue" side of our sport and have driven this state into the flat out worst club participation rate in this country.(compare us with any state you would like of our size). When you drive good people away year after year with this kind of nationally accepted rude arrogance....this is the kind of pay-no-attention-to-the-man-behind-the-curtain program that you receive. Here's a good one.....how about simply demanding that these guys: Board members may be contacted through the (DNR) staff assistant ..... .....quit ignoring our requests to simply publish their contact info like these 'men' do every day: ![]() Printer Friendly Text Version Email Page ![]() Text SizeSnowmobile Advisory Committee Members James W. Duke Region I, Michigan Snowmobile Association Representative 2 year term expires 12/31/2006 N7719 Ridge Road Munsing, MI 49862 906-387-3941 FAX 906-387-3954 e-mail: jimduke@up.net William Lucas Region II, Michigan Snowmobile Association Representative 2 year term expires 12/31/2007 6218 Avon Lane Cadillac, MI 49601 231-775-4344 e-mail: bjluc@prodigy.net William Manson, Jr. - Chair Region III, Michigan Snowmobile Association Representative 2 year term expires 12/31/2007 4336 Plainfield Ave., NE Grand Rapids, MI 49525-1672 616-301-2743 FAX 616-363-0661 e-mail: billmsa@aol.com Lee Murray At-Large Representative 2 year term expires 12/31/2006 PO Box 267 3150 Jefferson Hopkins, MI 49328 269-793-7183 FAX 269-793-4022 e-mail: lee@sebrightproducts.com Jack Nelson Nelson's Speed Shop Business Community Representative 2 year term expires 12/31/2007 4566 North Greenville Road Greenville, MI 48838 616-754-9185 FAX 616-754-5780 e-mail: nelson@pathwaynet.com Orville Olson ....etc. ....instead of forcing the public to go through 'the DNR' first??? (if you were running a state agency....wouldn't YOU like to be the 'gatekeeper' for all requests involving possible complaints about the job that YOU'RE doing???). And the list goes on and on..... Last edited by MichiganChapter?; 11-07-06 at 07:43 AM. |
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#95 |
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You ignored woody's post (#91). Let me repeat it:
BTW: according to the DNR website, there is a meeting scheduled of the Trail Advisory Board...Nov 8th, 6:30pm... http://www.midnr.com/publications/pd...V-SCHEDULE.pdf you only live 75 miles away, and it's all interstate...should be easy to leave work at 5p and make the meeting in time. I'd love to read your personal report on what transpires. Maybe using silly fonts will help you see it. Last edited by woooody; 11-07-06 at 09:58 AM. |
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http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7...3972--,00.html ARTICLE II SECTION 1 - CHAIRPERSON AND VICE-CHAIRPERSON The Officers of the Board shall consist of a Chairperson and Vice-Chairperson. Said officers shall serve for a period of one (1) year with the term to expire the final scheduled meeting of each calendar year. An annual election shall be held for Chairperson and Vice-Chairperson. As for your concern that all you can do is speak, and not get answers, you need to get your questions onto their agenda. Have you ever gone to a City Council meeting? Or any public agency meeting? Most only have a public comment section, and it's usually to speak about specific issues that are on that meetings Agenda. So if they are going to vote on snow mobile access, they give the public a chance to speak about it prior to voting. There is nothing in their bylaws that requires them to answer any public question. However, any Board Member has the ability to discuss those questions if they choose. What you need to do is find a like minded individual on that Board. Their website doesn't show who is on it, or where they draw from. But I gaurantee that if you were part of a club, who was sanctioned by a nationally respected organization, you would have a little more clout. Or, you can continue to yell at us, and hope that we can fix your problem. What was your member number again? |
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#97 |
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what he said
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 11,161
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I will continue to predominate the acrimonious by virtue of the sesquipedialian desires of the broughams. You see the dirt bikers have spreathed all others into believing the thrutched the masses in an effort to pyrolize the DNR.
__________________ I am kinda gay....... My Myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=75712409 "Mary Poppins: In every job that must be done, there is an element of fun. You find the fun and - SNAP - the job's a game." |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, you have to warn someone before you do that. I now have to clean Pepsi out of my keyboard And it really burns when it comes out your nose. |
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#99 |
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hillarious |
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__________________ Brian 'woody' Swearingen 1974 FJ40 'The Raisin' - Pitbull Rockers, 30-spline Longfields, SOA - 1/4 ellip 1996 FZJ80 'Gretchen' - MetalTech, ARB, OME, IPOR, 4x4Labs 2003 2500HD Duramax - Edge/Juice/Attitude, 285 Nitto Terra Grapplers, 4" exhaust |
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#102 |
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IH8MUD Regular
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well played sir, well played. (insert standing ovation here)
__________________ Justin Ward T.L.C.A #5501 Lone Star Land Cruisers-DFW Charter Member 71 40- joseph 76 55- unknown 84 60- long board and introducing... 84 60- the mistress, (so named by p.o.) Owned a cruiser since 96, been a member since, too. |
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#103 |
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No longer pre-approved...
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Train wreck indeed. I wonder if he made the meeting???
I think he wants these groups to do what he wants them to do....... and call him everyday to tell him that they are doing it.....? Or something like that. __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers |
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#104 |
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No longer pre-approved...
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Anyone else notice that even the title of this thread is condescending?
No, no one else speaks out about land issues, just you. Goodnight. __________________ Jerod Online Toyota Parts Catalog!!! 89 4Runner "The James Caird" 01 4Runner, for my Jefferson State Cruisers |
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#105 |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 57
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From the NOHVCC site:
The Agency Workshop objectives are:
#6 Yoo ATV Offroad Guest Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ontonagon, Michigan I attended all *4 days*. It was a very informative meeting and I learned a lot! I highly recommend that when one of these workshops comes to your area that you attend. Only thing that I did not like about the meeting is the chance for Organization people to have time set aside for them *to talk with each other.* Skip (Yoo) President Mi-TRALE |
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#106 |
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IH8MUD Rookie
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I assume the *insert bold text here* is your way of saying the worksops failed in these areas according to Skip Schultz of MI-TRALE?
That is good and verifiable information and I will ask Skip if he is being represented properly by you here. If it is true, I'm quite sure Skip would have either brought it up at the meeting or added it to his comment sheet on the workshop. We'll hear about it at the next planning meeting. Of course, had you actually shown up for what you signed up for, you would have been at the meeting and you could have given a first hand accounting yourself. But you didn't so you can't. I have actually been to the meetings, in fact, helped to write some of the modules they present. What is shared and promoted is very valuable to the Agency folks and to the enthusiasts. The workshop also includes lots of good information on how we can work with the agency and how the agency can work with you. Right now, there is not a specific time set aside in these particular workshops to sit and talk with each other. Of course, that isn't the point. However, there is plenty of break time and free lunches in which opportunities need to be taken to get to know the other participants... agency and enthusiasts. Dude, if you put just half the negative energy you have poured into your efforts here into something positive for OHV recreation, it would amaze you at what you might actuallly be able to get done. Then again, real effectiveness would require you to stop the "at the ready" personal attacks on the good folks who are trying to get something done that flow so freely from you. Greg |
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#107 | |
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IH8MUD Rookie
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Instead of going on the attack with, "You guys are the scum of the earth and screwing the rest of us... blah, blah, blah." Try, "How can we work together to improve the trail situation for the rest of us... blah, blah, blah?" Instead of, "I demand you hire a stenographer and get me the notes by... yada, yada, yada." Try, "What can I do to help facilitate a more efficient way of keeping and publishing them quicker... yada, yada, yada." A simple change in tack is most often all it takes to be more effective in your quests. Greg |
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#108 |
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Why don't you look up your state orginizations and see what they can do for you on local trail issues, There are a number of groups here in Montana they have mailing lists and blog type forums you can find some one to align with, if you don't like or can't work with on go find another, the rest of this gives me a headache. Larry
__________________ Larry Brewster, TLCA 7165, Billings, MT |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 57
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Glenn F. Moll (Glenn has been a board member since 2002) Representing: ORV Users Term Expires: 12/31/2006 Dick Ranney (Dick has been a board member and chair since 2002; his previous term expired 12/31/*05* Representing: ORV Users Term Expires: 12/31/2006 |
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#110 |
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god -- I thought you had given up. Seriously, thought you had been beaten into submission, realized that you were barkin up the wrong tree - something.
But NOOOOOO -- 3 months later, you're back. So what's your point? Their term expired, and they were re-elected. So what? Did anyone else run against them? Are you implying that there is some sort of term limit? Doesn't say that. Just says that the term is one year. They can have 2, 5 or 10 terms in a row. |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 57
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Glenn F. Moll Representing: ORV Users Term Expires: 12/31/2006 Dick Ranney Representing: ORV Users Term Expires: 12/31/2006 (Michigan Chapter): Note: The chairman above is now working on his 2nd expired term. There was no announcement from the state or anyone else last year (his first term expired 12/31/05) and no announcement obviously this year as to just when the Michigan orv community will be allowed to even 'apply' for these representative positions. Add the fact that this guy has formed a "22,000 member" representative council which has continued to remain anonymous for literally years now through continual pressure for its members to simply 'reveal' themselves....and you get the picture as to how these guys operate right on up to and including the national level. Last edited by MichiganChapter?; 02-05-07 at 10:26 PM. |
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#112 |
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Oh, By the way, Are you going to attend the next meeting?
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/dn...a_184072_7.pdf Holiday Inn Lansing-West 7501 West Saginaw Highway Lansing, Michigan February 7, 2007 First item under new business: New Business A. Annual Election of Officers |
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