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IH8MUD Regular
Join Date: May 2006
Location: San Antonio, Texas
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__________________ 2007 6-Speed Toyota FJ Cruiser 2002 Land Rover Discovery II 1978 Toyota FJ-40 Cruiser I UNDERSTAND THE JEEP THING, THAT'S WHY I DON'T OWN ONE. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,136
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__________________ 69 FJ40 with some minor mods... 2000 Cummins powered Dodge with some power enhancements. DO NOT SUPPORT TRAIL GEAR!!!!! bad ethics = bad business! http://www.paypalsucks.com |
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IH8MUD Addict
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: N. LA Co. CA
Posts: 859
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Im new to offroading myself but I have enough sense Public Land doesnt mean Im the only one that has use with it (without regard to others). And theres only so much Tax dollars to make "Public" free - I went to a Public University and I still had to pay tuition.
Is this what offroading is all about in your part of the woods?
__________________ Alan 95 FZJ80 |
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tlcwagons.org
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 3,497
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For factual information on trails and our government, the BLUE RIBBON COALITION has alot of information on it. If you are really interested in putting your money where your mouth is, join the BRC (or get active in local trail maintence & policy). Tho the topic of trail closure and effects of large tires is very informative, esp. to newbie offroaders, lets keep it civil. __________________ I love cachapas! my wip I drink your milkshake! ![]() Enzo: "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races" |
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Unfortunately, the fools are everywhere, and all too often associated with off-roading. We should all be working to disprove that stereotype. I'll bet one day texasbadlands will realize that. I hope it isn't too late. __________________ Andrew 1971 FJ-40 Rubicon tested, 2F powered, some mods 1976 FJ40 Rusting slowly in the back yard 1984 FJ-60 H55f, 4.11, OME, Daily Driver 1989 FJ-62 117k-son's driver for now-low and slow 1997 FZJ-80 Driveway queen |
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IH8MUD Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,136
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Every state has their share of budweiser drinkin' dumb a$$ red necks that makes all of responsible 4 wheelers look bad. __________________ 69 FJ40 with some minor mods... 2000 Cummins powered Dodge with some power enhancements. DO NOT SUPPORT TRAIL GEAR!!!!! bad ethics = bad business! http://www.paypalsucks.com |
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IH8MUD Lifer
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first off, even though i've found very few texans that aren't igorant (most are on this forum), you aren't among them, and you should be shot.
second, the boys (like txbadlands) are doing extreme damage that it takes backhoes, massive amounts of manpower, lots of money, and tns of hours in environmental impact studies by various agencies. third, carnage currently runs through a watershed. fourth, if you read the lefthand canyon decision, you'll find that a replacement trail is being considered to replace carnage canyon. go back to the rover world where you belong __________________ seven cruisers and 3 of em run and four are for sale Last edited by Chef; 09-06-06 at 04:31 PM. |
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#38 |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 69
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When I go off-road, I'm out there not only for the challenge of off-roading, but for the beauty of the surrounding land. The last thing I want to do is go all the way out there to look at a bunch of land torn up by numb nuts who decided to blaze their own trails. These type of people have no appreciation for nature. They are also the same people who run with little or no engine muffling, so no one else can enjoy the serenity of the back country. I'm glad the FJ TRD Exhaust is not suitable for off-road use due to its outlet right behind the rear tire, because even that is pushing the limits of irresponsibility in the back country. One off-road motorcycle magazine has a saying, "Loud mufflers = closed trails". I'll add this, "Tread heavy = closed trails".
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A 37" tire makes a BIGGER footprint. More square inches hitting the ground. So there is actually LESS PSI exerted on the ground, as your narrow 31" tires are supporting the same weight. A 37" tire aired down will FLOAT on the surface better than a 31. I'd really like you to point to ONE study that shows bigger tires cause more damage. Just one. |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Burbank
Posts: 42
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I've been lurking over here trying to build up the nerve to buy a Toyota again. But there is no way in heck I'm getting rid of my Rover, I need a capable daily driver that gets better MPG than my 8-10 I get with my Rover. __________________ Saline Local |
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Kneel for the Shaman
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Admin
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http://www.treadlightly.org/
http://www.sharetrails.org/ http://www.ufwda.org/ Some worthwhile reading at all three. And, for the record, any trail damage, regardless of vehicle type, tire size, motorsize, etc, is 100% controlled by the driver and HOW they wheel. To think differently only shows a lack of understanding and a lack of experience. __________________ Brian 'woody' Swearingen 1974 FJ40 'The Raisin' - Pitbull Rockers, 30-spline Longfields, SOA - 1/4 ellip 1996 FZJ80 'Gretchen' - MetalTech, ARB, OME, IPOR, 4x4Labs 2003 2500HD Duramax - Edge/Juice/Attitude, 285 Nitto Terra Grapplers, 4" exhaust |
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Admin
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sorry :blush: didn't realize I left it locked
__________________ Brian 'woody' Swearingen 1974 FJ40 'The Raisin' - Pitbull Rockers, 30-spline Longfields, SOA - 1/4 ellip 1996 FZJ80 'Gretchen' - MetalTech, ARB, OME, IPOR, 4x4Labs 2003 2500HD Duramax - Edge/Juice/Attitude, 285 Nitto Terra Grapplers, 4" exhaust |
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I have tried for the above post to be fair, factual and not personally attacking. If anyone feels what I've said is unfair, by all means, say so and I'll edit or remove it. Sincerely, Luke __________________ Quote:
1964 FJ45SWB SOA,SR,383SBC,SM465,NP203/205,ARBs,Longfield Inners & Outers,36"Swampers,Caged Hoosier Cruisers Last edited by LukeZero; 08-14-06 at 09:45 PM. |
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IH8MUD Lifer
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Ok....in another thread you talked about not feeling welcome at a event due to having a FJ Cruiser ....then you mentioned that you have not participated in a TLCA event . In the other thread I mentioned-SHOW UP....you are more than welcome to wheel with other cruiser owners on the same trails & have the opertunity for the same great experience.Now your talking about how tires size tears up more based on size Seems to me you make alot of "i think-i feel" statements rather than basing you statements on facts or real life experiences like attending events. And also "blazing" trails....you are correct...new trails will not be created if someone did not go first but also you need to remember one mans "blazing" is anothers mans distruction-with the right permits or resources backing you new trials could be made every day but the proper channels have to be followed, if not then more trials will be closed. I have a idea participate in a TLCA event....this is the best way you to see & learn about responsible 4x4 practices.
__________________ You can't fix Stupid![]() ---CottonLand Cruisers----- ---White Trash of the Elwood Chapter---- ![]() ---STLCA---- ------------------------------------------------ We've been this close to death before, we were just too drunk to know it Guess the price of being sobers being scared out of your mind -Drive by Truckers- ----------------------------------------------- |
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IH8MUD Lifer
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One other thing for all of you to consider. A change in your vocabulary will greatly help the cause. Using the words "Off Road" implies to some environmental and government groups that you are not on a road or a trail which is definitely not a good thing is this day and age. Trail, 4wd Road, and Off Pavement are better descriptors.
__________________ Eric V. TLCA 7328 99 UZJ100 "T-REX Edition" under construction FJ68 PROJECT aka LEGO(60 body, 80 Chassis/Running Gear) 74 FJ15 (that is about all that is left of it) Lots of Parts FS http://forum.ih8mud.com/sale-parts/2...ml#post3693029 ADIDALC "real environmentalists don't pave roads" "dents are like tattoos with better stories" www.WildWildWestArt.com |
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I don't post much
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__________________ Nate '93 FZJ80- Cruisin' in comfort with factory lockers--- Now with custom desert pin striping and some armor! Stock '83 FJ60- FOR SALE--> BUY ME VW powered sandrail: the roller coaster you can steer! |
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the dude abides
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TexasBadland's way = Badlands
I've seen natural "badlands" and while an interesting, beautiful and sensitive landscape, I prefer undisturbed natural environments immediately adjacent to narrow OHV trails. TexasBadlands approach to blazing new trails will leave us nothing but "Badlands". My preference is for OHV trails that provide ACCESS to remote public lands. Trails that are historic corridors through remote wilderness areas. As mentioned above, there are plenty of these historic trails - if they can be kept open and re-opened properly. Personally, I'm not interested in wheeling in a dirt lot next to the WalMart. Quote:
And it's not just mud pits, you also create bypasses at any obstacle too tough for your rig (or more likely your driving ability), again widening the trail, creating more unneccesarily disturbed areas subject to erosion. Get a clue. If you can't stay on the trail - stay home.
__________________ Jim Brantley -- KI6TLC -- TLCA#6433 -- Pismo Beach, CA '86 FJ60 "Knuckles", '93 FZJ80 "Ruby", 69 Fj40 "Katherine's" realcruiser.com Surf N Turf 2009 November 6-8, 2009 - Pismo Beach, CA
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IH8MUD Lifer
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Not 4wheeling, offroading, etc... but Trail Riding= staying on the trail ![]() We schedule trail rides, go trail riding, lead groups on trails.... all the while preserving the resource by appreciating it and spreading the appreciation through responsible TRAIL RIDING! __________________ Jeffrey Save Tellico! TreadLightly BlueRibbon Coalition United Four Wheel Drive TLCA.org ALCA- Fledgling Cruiser group of eastern PA Last edited by Wayneraintree; 08-26-06 at 09:27 AM. |
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#50 |
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IH8MUD Lifer
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People:
I'm disappointed in many of you here. I like the majority of this thread, and dissent and disagreement are part of a healthy democracy...BUT! I will not tolerate some of the language used here. I will not tolerate some of that attitudes going back and forth here. Find a way to disagree respectfully. I don't want to come back and edit for language, attitude or wahtever. Make me, and you'll get locked out, mmm'kay? This isn't "those other forums" where that attitude will be tolerated, or at least not here in the TLCA section. Now, having said all that, I'm comment on the content. If you don't use and treat *all* of the few public and private areas we have left to play in with the utmost of respect, you will find yourselves without a playground. Yes, people with agendas are watching. We've seen proof of that here this last few weeks. Give them cannon fodder thru your actions on the trail, and your words here in a public and highly visible forum, and watch where they will pop back up and get used against all of us. Measure your words and actions. Ask yourself "what can I do in this situation, today, here in this forum, today on the trail, that will result in the most good for everyone.'' If you can answer well to that, you will have had a great day on the trail, and done nothing to demote our sport, and our ability to access it. Which means you'll be able to have another great day on the trail in the future. To act, think, speak in a manner that reflects less than that will end poorly for everyone. Bank on it. thanks, alan __________________ My tailight is kewler than yours... Visit www.tlca.org! TLCA Member 6235/TLCA Prez TornadoAlleyCruisers,Lone Star Cruisers |
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IH8MUD Rookie
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 57
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I find it very hard to believe that the off-road community will ever change with the times; recruit new and younger members or actually make good on their promise to be involved/educated in other areas of the country (where national leaders themselves admit readily continued ignorance); if folks are not allowed to so much as even question what is going on in their own backyards involving significant orv issues and those presently unashamedly and without apology spiriting them behind closed doors. We have an ongoing situation here in Michigan that most of these national orv leaders are well aware of involving 'leaders' they just don't seem willing to confront for possibly the same 'hear no evil/see no evil' approach I'm hearing here. They know these people very well and realize that they will talk negatively about us and our machines at any opportunity given if it means closing down areas to themselves and themselves only. This isn't 'conjecture'....it is a fact that has been proven time and time again and includes ecologically responsiblr modern maintenance methods (privitization) held hostage for purely selfish reasons affecting literally thousands of miles of trails on this country's largest trail system. I love the sport as much as anybody else and have tried to support it with untold hours of my time just like many untold others. Yet when you contact these national organizations and ask them what they have to say about 11 people recently showing up for the only quarterly meeting we have here in Michigan because the people that they deal with have taken every single issue we have here behind some Oz-like curtain....one begins to wonder if the term "free speech" only pertains to those employed in a local or national non-profit. Sorry to be so winded; yet when your community is 'represented' by some group claiming to have 22,000 members....yet who publicly refuse to reveal even who they are or what they represent for over 2 years now.....you tend to be a little 'cycnical' when it comes to who can say what and why. Thanks for the space to speak my peace and kick me out of here if you'd like; yet I believe that there's a good deal of housecleaning to be done in our own backyards and that the lack of response one gets from these national leaders when confronted with these types of large-scale messes....begs a much larger question also. Last edited by MichiganChapter?; 09-25-06 at 07:38 AM. |
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_Sgt. Sardonic_
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Huh?
Its hard for me to follow what you're saying without more specifics. |
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