Tlca 30% bylaw

[wanabecruisen]

Originally Posted by REKCUT

Mike, its the hypocrisy of the issue that gets to me. No individual or club is forced to be a member of the TLCA. I dont understand why a club or group of people would want to call themselves a TLCA chapter if they are not willing to live up to the requirements. Its very simple. If you want to be part of a club then live up to the requirements. If your club wants to be a chapter then enforce the rules. Why would you want to associate yourself or your family with a organization you dont believe in. If your club doesn't agree with the requirements then why as a group are they still calling themselves a TLCA chapter.

One of the real issues that TLCA needs to work through is the apathy associated with its members and chapters towards the parent organization. There are barely enough clubs calling in to the monthly meetings to get any kind of issue voted on. Chapters and members want to be called TLCA members but it seems that very few want to do anything to further that membership.

I dont feel that forcing people to be members is a good way to grow the TLCA, but I do feel that making clubs think about why they are chapters would be good for the TLCA.

The TLCA would be better off with a smaller member base if those members were active and interested in improving the TLCA. Yes it would lose the magazine, and there would be wholesale changes, but you cant grow a quality membership without having a solid base to work with.

Just my thought Mike as to why it bothers me.

Though I enjoy reading the discussions on this forum I seldom feel the need to make my thoughts known. In this case I feel somewhat compelled to comment.

In the post above, Thad makes some fairly bold statements that seem a bit divisive and exclusionary to me. Apparently, Jeff seems to agree though I'm not sure if he agrees with the entire post or just the quoted segment.

This comment -

"If you want to be part of a club then live up to the requirements. If your club wants to be a chapter then enforce the rules. Why would you want to associate yourself or your family with a organization you dont believe in."

- may seem correct on the surface but implies that the "club" is 100% correct all of the time and we, as members, must accept the edicts from on high without question or we are invited hit the bricks. Is there no room for discussion on ammendments to the rules if the membership wishes to entertain same? Do you not want our honest feedback? Would you prefer to just have members or chapters silently walk away resigned to the fact that they dont "fit" 100% of the time? If so, I propose that you may well be on a track that could result in your desired future state as evidenced in this quote from above -

"The TLCA would be better off with a smaller member base if those members were active and interested in improving the TLCA. Yes it would lose the magazine, and there would be wholesale changes, but you cant grow a quality membership without having a solid base to work with."

I can't believe that this is the vision of the current TLCA leadership. Or, at least, I don't want to believe it. Change is not always a bad thing. Perhaps we should all consider just how much change we are comfortable with...

[REKCUT]

Just to reiterate, my posting was in reference to a question asked by Mike on why I am so persistent in my stance on this subject. In response to your reference

- may seem correct on the surface but implies that the "club" is 100% correct all of the time and we, as members, must accept the edicts from on high without question or we are invited hit the bricks. Is there no room for discussion on ammendments to the rules if the membership wishes to entertain same? Do you not want our honest feedback? Would you prefer to just have members or chapters silently walk away resigned to the fact that they dont "fit" 100% of the time? If so, I propose that you may well be on a track that could result in your desired future state as evidenced in this quote from above -

I must not have done a good job of explaining my position as this is the exact opposite of what I am implying. I am not interested in the chapters blindly following the TLCA without options. The exact point I am trying to make is that chapters and the TLCA should follow there own bylaws or they should change the bylaws to reflect their current position. What I dont like is each chapter and each TLCA officer deciding what rules they are and are not going to follow based on whatever influences them at that time.

"The TLCA would be better off with a smaller member base if those members were active and interested in improving the TLCA. Yes it would lose the magazine, and there would be wholesale changes, but you cant grow a quality membership without having a solid base to work with."

I can't believe that this is the vision of the current TLCA leadership. Or, at least, I don't want to believe it. Change is not always a bad thing. Perhaps we should all consider just how much change we are comfortable with...

As far as the vision of the TLCA leadership and or my opinion, this has been discussed numerous time here on mud and other forums. The general range I have seen goes from one extreme of loosing the magazine and requiring members to go to multiple TLCA event, all the way to opening up membership to anyone just to keep the magazine going. I am sure that the correct answer is somewhere in the middle of those two options. My opinion on less but more active membership base is influenced by being a TLCA club delegate and noting how hard it is just to get a quorum each month to vote on club business. A very large number of chapters dont have representatives call in. As the TLCA bylaws require a percentage of delegate's present to conduct club business, it is being held up by members and or chapters that are not that interested or active in the TLCA. So yes, I feel that a smaller but more active membership would be beneficial to the quality and development of this organization.

[packman73]

Case in point. We have 67 voting officers and chapter delegates. The TLCA Bylaws reflect that we need 30 percent of all delegates and elected officers. This gives us 20. Now, the bylaws also state that if a chapter doesn't submit their Chapter in Good Standing Form, they don't have a vote. With that being said, there are at least 20 chapters that haven't submitted CGS forms in the last 2 years. We have had at least 3 meetings now that I remember that we've had to cancel due to a lack of quorum. We as the BOD (Elected officers and delegates) owe it to the membership at large to conduct TLCA business. We can't do this if we don't have participation. Depending on how you look at it there are certain rules that need to followed and are in place for a reason.

I understand everyone's point of view about the TLCA being loosely run, but on the same token, if we can't conduct business and keep our members happy and abreast of the challenges we face, we are not doing our job at the national level.

[wanabecruisen]

Originally Posted by packman73

Case in point. We have 67 voting officers and chapter delegates. The TLCA Bylaws reflect that we need 30 percent of all delegates and elected officers. This gives us 20. Now, the bylaws also state that if a chapter doesn't submit their Chapter in Good Standing Form, they don't have a vote. With that being said, there are at least 20 chapters that haven't submitted CGS forms in the last 2 years. We have had at least 3 meetings now that I remember that we've had to cancel due to a lack of quorum. We as the BOD (Elected officers and delegates) owe it to the membership at large to conduct TLCA business. We can't do this if we don't have participation. Depending on how you look at it there are certain rules that need to followed and are in place for a reason.

I understand everyone's point of view about the TLCA being loosely run, but on the same token, if we can't conduct business and keep our members happy and abreast of the challenges we face, we are not doing our job at the national level.

So the solution would be to have fewer but more active chapters? Does anyone else find this line of thiinking strange? Putting aside for a moment that it's a "rule", why do we care if 31% of a given clubs membership does not currently own a Toyota 4wd vehicle with a low range transfer case? You are suggesting that chapters discontinue their association with TLCA if they have a problem enforcing this rule! I just don't see how this sort of exclusionary mindset promotes the best interest of the TLCA and it's members chapters and individuals. Sorry.

[packman73]

Originally Posted by wanabecruisen

So the solution would be to have fewer but more active chapters? Does anyone else find this line of thiinking strange? Putting aside for a moment that it's a "rule", why do we care if 31% of a given clubs membership does not currently own a Toyota 4wd vehicle with a low range transfer case? You are suggesting that chapters discontinue their association with TLCA if they have a problem enforcing this rule! I just don't see how this sort of exclusionary mindset promotes the best interest of the TLCA and it's members chapters and individuals. Sorry.

I'm not saying they discontinue being a chapter if they don't enforce their rules. What I'm saying is that in order for TLCA at a National level to be productive, we need chapters to be active participants. As soon as the TLCA at a National level makes a decision without quorum present, someone is going to raise holy heck... At this point we "hope" that enough will show up for the meetings.

If you were the CEO of a business and you didn't have enough board members show up to constitute a quorum in order to conduct business, what would you do?

[woody]

Originally Posted by packman73

If you were the CEO of a business and you didn't have enough board members show up to constitute a quorum in order to conduct business, what would you do?

keyword: business

TLCA is a non-profit group of volunteers, socially organized around a specific brand of 4wd vehicle.

For a business to succeed, it must profit. For TLCA to succeed, it must be fun.

[packman73]

Originally Posted by woody

keyword: business

TLCA is a non-profit group of volunteers, socially organized around a specific brand of 4wd vehicle.

For a business to succeed, it must profit. For TLCA to succeed, it must be fun.

At one time, TLCA may have been just that. Somewhere along the road here, it's become a magazine business with the fun stuff as an afterthought (at least is seems that way to me). The magazine part, albeit a great magazine, is our largest annual cost.

[woody]

Originally Posted by packman73

At one time, TLCA may have been just that. Somewhere along the road here, it's become a magazine business with the fun stuff as an afterthought (at least is seems that way to me). The magazine part, albeit a great magazine, is our largest annual cost.

which brings us back to the question Ross asked...

http://forum.ih8mud.com/tlca-discuss...lca-exist.html

[packman73]

Originally Posted by woody

which brings us back to the question Ross asked...

http://forum.ih8mud.com/tlca-discuss...lca-exist.html

Yeah, no kidding... It's a viscious circle. If we took away the magazine, how many would stick around? 2/3's of our membership are not chapter members.

[Green Lantern]

BINGO! You got it in one!

I'm not the first person to say this, but maybe I'll be the last.
TLCA has a stable membership demographic of 2500 - 3500 members since the late 90's.
Merchandise sales has always sucked.
Rubithon has succeeded only because three California chapters take responsibility for it. Rubithon has NEVER been a cash cow.

We started in 1976, the Internet didn't get popular until the early 90's. So, for 15 years or so Toyota Trails served as THE forum for cruiserheads. Now, it's a pretty magazine that graces the toilets of cruiserheads all over America.

TLCA needs to focus on chapter formation and try to keep the Trails going because we all enjoy the magazine.

Happy Trails! N

Originally Posted by packman73

Yeah, no kidding... It's a viscious circle. If we took away the magazine, how many would stick around? 2/3's of our membership are not chapter members.

[packman73]

Originally Posted by Green Lantern

BINGO! You got it in one!

I'm not the first person to say this, but maybe I'll be the last.
TLCA has a stable membership demographic of 2500 - 3500 members since the late 90's.
Merchandise sales has always sucked.
Rubithon has succeeded only because three California chapters take responsibility for it. Rubithon has NEVER been a cash cow.

We started in 1976, the Internet didn't get popular until the early 90's. So, for 15 years or so Toyota Trails served as THE forum for cruiserheads. Now, it's a pretty magazine that graces the toilets of cruiserheads all over America.

TLCA needs to focus on chapter formation and try to keep the Trails going because we all enjoy the magazine.

Happy Trails! N

I agree, new chapters are a must. Now we brought this whole conversation full circle...if chapters members aren't TLCA members... and thus this is the viscious circle we are in.

To me the bottom line is this, we all LOVE Toyota Trails, I think we can agree on that. If we as TLCA members want it to continue, WE need to do more as chapter members to grow our chapters and thus the TLCA.

On another note, I don't think I've ever seen a How-To form a TLCA chapter in Toyota Trails. I'm sure there are groups out there that exist that get together from time to time and talk cruisers, but they aren't chapters... I know of several that are pseudo chapters...have a forum on MUD but aren't officially chapters as they don't want to fill out the paperwork or particpate in the monthly call.

[Rzeppa]

Originally Posted by wanabecruisen

I can't believe that this is the vision of the current TLCA leadership. Or, at least, I don't want to believe it. Change is not always a bad thing. Perhaps we should all consider just how much change we are comfortable with...

Bingo. I snipped the quote I was agreeing with the most, though I don't disagree with all of what Thad wrote. I guess for me (and other members of the board) there are varying levels of agreement with various statements.

As Thad wrote, the opinions of members and voting board members is all over the place, and those of us in leadership sift through it and do our best to serve the interests of as many members as we can. We can't please everyone! And we are CONSTANTLY changing and adapting; we do listen and we act as we can and where we feel it is appropriate.

As President, I work hard to enable an environment where our voting board feels comfortable in representing the interests of membership. We do have boundary conditions, and among them are not running the club into the ground and alienating the majority by acquiescing to a vocal minority. And, we have to be proactive, peer around corners and make our best guess on what is coming in the future. Only reacting is a prescription for failure.

Lastly, we on the voting board are volunteers, and as such we have to set our expectation levels in line with that. We have a lot of good initiatives that are languishing due to not enough time committed. I can't complain about that - it is just the way it is. People have jobs, families and other interests besides TLCA. So we do the best we can.

Anyone reading this thread, please note that we are ALWAYS happy to welcome help. We need volunteers to help with a number of things. You don't even have to be on the voting board to serve on a committee, and we'd love to have ya!

Thanks, and happy cruisin'!

[Rzeppa]

Originally Posted by packman73

On another note, I don't think I've ever seen a How-To form a TLCA chapter in Toyota Trails.

You are 100% correct, it has never been in Toyota Trails (at least since 1996 when I joined). It is too long to fit the magazine, but maybe that might be a good topic to touch on in my next Trail Leader column. But it has been on the web site through many iterations of the web site. Click here.

[REKCUT]

Originally Posted by wanabecruisen

So the solution would be to have fewer but more active chapters? Does anyone else find this line of thiinking strange? Putting aside for a moment that it's a "rule", why do we care if 31% of a given clubs membership does not currently own a Toyota 4wd vehicle with a low range transfer case? You are suggesting that chapters discontinue their association with TLCA if they have a problem enforcing this rule! I just don't see how this sort of exclusionary mindset promotes the best interest of the TLCA and it's members chapters and individuals. Sorry.

No, I am saying that if a chapter does not want to enforce its own bylaws then it should CHANGE its bylaws instead of just ignoring them. If the TLCA does not want to enforce the 100% rule for chapters then it should CHANGE its by laws.

Putting aside for a moment that it's a "rule", why do we care if 31% of a given clubs membership does not currently own a Toyota 4wd vehicle with a low range transfer case?

The exact reason I am making is because it is a rule. I still have seen no decent reason why it should be left and just ignored. Why do you pay your chapter dues? Because you just feel like it, or because the chapter is out there enforcing the policy. IF you go to rubicon, why would you pay the TLCA dues on top of all the other cost associated with it? Because its a rule and its enforced.

Why leaves rules in the bylaws that we have no intention of enforcing. CHANGE, ENFORCE, OR GET RID OF THEM.

[Bodean]

Originally Posted by REKCUT

No, I am saying that if a chapter does not want to enforce its own bylaws then it should CHANGE its bylaws instead of just ignoring them. If the TLCA does not want to enforce the 100% rule for chapters then it should CHANGE its by laws.




The exact reason I am making is because it is a rule. I still have seen no decent reason why it should be left and just ignored. Why do you pay your chapter dues? Because you just feel like it, or because the chapter is out there enforcing the policy. IF you go to rubicon, why would you pay the TLCA dues on top of all the other cost associated with it? Because its a rule and its enforced.

Why leaves rules in the bylaws that we have no intention of enforcing. CHANGE, ENFORCE, OR GET RID OF THEM.

I agree and we will be looking at changing our by laws at the next meeting.

Later,

[KOWBOY]

Originally Posted by REKCUT

No, I am saying that if a chapter does not want to enforce its own bylaws then it should CHANGE its bylaws instead of just ignoring them.

On behalf of The White Trash, I've simply done away with our bylaws. Although they were meant to be entertainin' from the get-go ... we just don't need 'em anymore.

That eliminates any enforcement issues.

[66fj40x2]

I think the change has to happen at the TLCA level first. IIRC, the chapter bylaws have to, at loosely, mirror the TLCA bylaws. If you change the TLCA verbage then the chapters can change their's and remain in "good standing".

Maybe getting a discussion on Bodreps I and/or II regarding a bylaws change would be a good place to start. It may be time to review more then just this issue (although it's been a while since I've read them... or even cared to read them). I fully understand you can ask 50 people for ideas and suggestions on any topic and get 60 different ideas and still never come to a consinus. Of course getting input on Bodreps sounds like it may be a challenge unto itself right now.

I personally don't see a reason for clubs to force Toyota 4x4 owners to join TLCA. I'd be happy to join, or rejoin, TLCA at a reduced level as I don't really glean much from Trails, but enjoy wheelin' with other Cruiserheads. Let me renew so I can go to events and y'all can keep the magazine. Again, Todd does a great job with Trails and it's a great publication! My wheelin' and my rig have now outgrown it is all. I know this has been discussed but haven't seen, heard or read much about it in a couple months now...... Maybe it's time to find Clutchee's thread and revive it.......

[packman73]

Originally Posted by 66fj40x2

I think the change has to happen at the TLCA level first. IIRC, the chapter bylaws have to, at loosely, mirror the TLCA bylaws. If you change the TLCA verbage then the chapters can change their's and remain in "good standing".

Maybe getting a discussion on Bodreps I and/or II regarding a bylaws change would be a good place to start. It may be time to review more then just this issue (although it's been a while since I've read them... or even cared to read them). I fully understand you can ask 50 people for ideas and suggestions on any topic and get 60 different ideas and still never come to a consinus. Of course getting input on Bodreps sounds like it may be a challenge unto itself right now.

I personally don't see a reason for clubs to force Toyota 4x4 owners to join TLCA. I'd be happy to join, or rejoin, TLCA at a reduced level as I don't really glean much from Trails, but enjoy wheelin' with other Cruiserheads. Let me renew so I can go to events and y'all can keep the magazine. Again, Todd does a great job with Trails and it's a great publication! My wheelin' and my rig have now outgrown it is all. I know this has been discussed but haven't seen, heard or read much about it in a couple months now...... Maybe it's time to find Clutchee's thread and revive it.......

It's being worked on...but it's tough to get things DONE when we can't get enough people to participate...

[66fj40x2]

Originally Posted by packman73

It's being worked on...but it's tough to get things DONE when we can't get enough people to participate...

No doubt..... not sure how to light that fire.

[packman73]

Originally Posted by 66fj40x2

No doubt..... not sure how to light that fire.

I don't think it's a fire that needs lit, it's more or less that we need to follow our own bylaws. When I stepped down as Secretary in late January we had a total of 31 CGS forms in. I'm not sure how many have trickled in since then, but if we follow our bylaws, 31 chapters + 10 Elected officers = 41. 41*.3= 12 needed for quorum. If we used that number, we would have a meeting quorum everytime.

I'm going to make some motions to change our bylaws a bit to help alleviate this problem in the future.

Maybe we should explore different "chapter" designations....as we have a lot of chapters (at least 25) that choose not to participate at the national level for whatever reason.

It's another topic for another day.

[REKCUT]

Originally Posted by 66fj40x2

I think the change has to happen at the TLCA level first. IIRC, the chapter bylaws have to, at loosely, mirror the TLCA bylaws. If you change the TLCA verbage then the chapters can change their's and remain in "good standing".

Maybe getting a discussion on Bodreps I and/or II regarding a bylaws change would be a good place to start. It may be time to review more then just this issue (although it's been a while since I've read them... or even cared to read them). I fully understand you can ask 50 people for ideas and suggestions on any topic and get 60 different ideas and still never come to a consinus. Of course getting input on Bodreps sounds like it may be a challenge unto itself right now.

I personally don't see a reason for clubs to force Toyota 4x4 owners to join TLCA. I'd be happy to join, or rejoin, TLCA at a reduced level as I don't really glean much from Trails, but enjoy wheelin' with other Cruiserheads. Let me renew so I can go to events and y'all can keep the magazine. Again, Todd does a great job with Trails and it's a great publication! My wheelin' and my rig have now outgrown it is all. I know this has been discussed but haven't seen, heard or read much about it in a couple months now...... Maybe it's time to find Clutchee's thread and revive it.......

TLCA does need to change the by-laws if they are not going to enforce them, but I always look at myself first so. If a chapter doesnt believe in it and the TLCA is not going to enforce it, then I think changing the chapter bylaws is a great start. At least that leave it completely in TLCA's court to deal with as they see fit.

[REKCUT]

Then Mike, it wouldnt be such a hot button issue with me, as an answer to your original question.

[66fj40x2]

Originally Posted by REKCUT

Then Mike, it wouldnt be such a hot button issue with me, as an answer to your original question.

No worries Thad... I wasn't tracking where you were headed with the topic. It's one of those rules that hasn't been enforced and nobody paid attention to.

[wanabecruisen]

Originally Posted by REKCUT

then I think changing the chapter bylaws is a great start. At least that leave it completely in TLCA's court to deal with as they see fit.

Care to expand on this comment? I don't want to go looking for trouble where none exists but this could be taken as something of a threat. Seems to me that TLCA knows this rule is a problem for some of it's member chapters and, therefore, it would seem appropriate for said member chapters to request consideration on this rule change. To suggest that chapters "change the chapter bylaws" so that the TLCA could "deal with it as they see fit" soulds a bit like the bully on the playground saying "go ahead, I dare ya".

Do I, as a paying member of the TLCA, have the right to request a position statement from the Board on this issue?

[REKCUT]

Jeff and Kowboy have both taken the approch that they dont agee with the rule. Rather leave it there and run around winking about it, they are taking it out of the by-laws so that they are at the least, abiding by rules set forth in there own chapters.

TLCA then still has the same options that they did. Ignore it, enforce it, or change it. Could you take it as a threat? I guess so. I assume that in some reality TLCA could say your no longer a TLCA chapter. I dont believe they would. I also dont think it would effect either WT or CC. Their clubs would most like not change and the same folks that are now TLCA members would most likely still be members. They just wouldnt be TLCA chapters.

TLCA could contine to not enforce the rule.
TLCA could change the rule.

Speaking just for myself and myself only. Any of these three options would work for me personally. On basic principle and nothing else, I have a real problem being a member of a chapter that does not enforce its own policy. I choose to be in it . I am not forced to be in it. And I really have difficult time " looking the other way" as certain rules are enforced based on whos running things at that time.

I dont know of any clubs that allow only members to be present at activities. You cant be an officer and you cant have a sticker, but I have run many trails with many members and was not a member of their club.

Another option is for chapters to welcome folks to events and runs, have them over to cookouts, but not offer them full voting membership unless they comply, but it fairly obvious that the chapters are not interested in this course of action. This then comes back to the start of the conversation.

[Green Lantern]

My two cents...

I'm not quoting anyone because this post is a response to my interpretation of previous posts.

1) I sincerely believe that no one can successfully live their life by blindly following the rules. Rules are guidelines, only enforced if absolutely necessary. If a person depends on rules (or laws) they are doomed to failure (and endless lawsuits).

2) I sincerely believe that all of us place ourselves first, our local club second, and TLCA a distant third. TLCA has never been that important to anyone. I shutter to think what would happen if someone told a cruiserhead that they are not a member and they have to scrape a sticker off their truck.

3) No officer or even motivated member can change people to act and behave as themselves. (refer to No. 2 above).

So, IMHO, the BOD needs to support chapters and Toyota Trails.
TLCA doesn't have any critical business to decide. Most of the income goes to Toyota Trails and all of the events (including Rubithon) are run by chapters. Many of our clubs give generously to charity in THEIR name, not TLCA. Therefore, many of our clubs are standing down from participating in the conference calls because they ain't fun and they ain't productive.

I've been there at the beginning of three clubs so far. Never was there a discussion about "rules." Lone Star, WToE, and Toyota Trail Riders all came together to have fun. I hope everyone can understand that TLCA is and always will be, a loose confederation of very independent clubs.

Thanks for the bandwidth.
Happy Trails! N

[REKCUT]

If your not going to support TLCA, its nots close to your heart, its not productive, and its no fun, why would you want to remain as a chapter. Just to hinder its progress? Why wouldn't you just drop your chapter status, be a fun loving 4x4/Toyota club with several or many individual TLCA members? No calls to participate in, not rules to follow, and no hinderance to the operation of the BOD since you wouldn't have a vote. No less TLCA members or revenue. What am I missing here?

[woody]

precisely where WCLC and LCL are...and others too...

[REKCUT]

Ozark Mountain Cruisers, Gateway Cruisers.

[Green Lantern]

IMO, what's missing in the rationale below is recognition that cruiserheads do things cause it's the right thing to do.

Allow me to use an analogy. Many of us go to church, even though we might have strong conflicts with what the pastor says sometimes. We might disagree with some of the other church members too. We choose to stay involved, because it's the right thing to do. We don't worry about our salvation or our sins... God loves us as we are. We just put up with other eccentric people so our family has folks to hang out with on Sunday afternoon. Now, if the pastor and several deacons start insisting that everyone has to act a certain way or leave..... folks like us just go somewhere else to find good company.

I mean no disrespect to you or your argument. The way I understand it, you're saying that people who skip the politics need to leave TLCA. That TLCA will operate more efficiently if only political folks stay. Finally, the first sentence in your post quoted below implies that you represent the will of TLCA. Sorry, I don't think you do.

I read CottonLand's post and the White Trash of Elwood post as saying they are choosing to focus on their members and having fun. Not TLCA politics. CottonLand has been hosting a national event for five years now. The White Trash participate, as a club, in five or more events each year. The Toyota Trail Riders host a national event and are strongly thinking about breaking all ties with TLCA. TTR doesn't participate in TLCA threads because they're disgusted with the politics. Lone Star has hosted a national event over ten years and stays a TLCA supporter only because it doesn't cost much and our members like the magazine.

I sincerely believe TLCA should encourage people, beg people, and support people rather than imply threats of enforcing the rules.

Hope that helps clarify everything.
Happy Trails! N

Originally Posted by REKCUT

If your not going to support TLCA, its nots close to your heart, its not productive, and its no fun, why would you want to remain as a chapter. Just to hinder its progress? Why wouldn't you just drop your chapter status, be a fun loving 4x4/Toyota club with several or many individual TLCA members? No calls to participate in, not rules to follow, and no hinderance to the operation of the BOD since you wouldn't have a vote. No less TLCA members or revenue. What am I missing here?