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The 300 series Toyota Land Cruiser

Discussion in '200-Series Cruisers' started by GX-R, Jul 16, 2012.

  1. stonepa

    stonepa

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    Residuals are better on the GL diesel ? Here in Cleveland there are several examples of low mileage 2011s at dealers for less than $25k. The cheapest 200 series LC, a 2008 with 70k miles, is still $45 k. That's pretty rock solid.
  2. arich

    arich

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    Didn't say that residual of the GL350 was better than the Land Cruiser but it's good compared to most SUVs.
    Land cruiser has the best residual but I just couldn't convince the wife on a 2013 or 14 land cruiser. We even had a beautiful white one picked out.
    In the end of the day the wife made the decision on this one and I get the 11 LC as my primary vehicle to replace the 99. Not a terrible deal.
    We still have 2 LCs so no one can say I'm not loyal. Just tasting a little German temporarily.
    We'll see if the wife gets tires of visiting the mercedes dealer for repairs. She hasn't been to the toyoya dealer in 10 years!!
  3. cbnat

    cbnat

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    Seems to me like something has to give eventually. Across the board MPG standards are putting pressure on vehicles like the LC and LX. 8 speed tranny and Diesel engine could be the cure to help bring up the bottom for Toyota and to me sounds like on hell of a truck. Americans are finally starting to accept diets so we can hope it's coming in the redesign.
  4. Billfish

    Billfish

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    I lost about 1&1/2 miles per gallon fuel efficiency when I changed up to a larger 285/65 tire. But then at 23-24 miles per gallon and about 1 & 1/2 times the torque of a 5.8 ltr V8 gas engine I think I can live with the loss.

    IMHO the clean emmissions argument for gasoline over diesel is a total crock when you consider (1) how much improved are modern diesels re emissions and (2) how much more gasoline you need to burn to get the same distance over the ground.

    Then again with all that shale gas you dudes are fracking up there I expect you'll all be driving LPG/Electric hybrid 300s before you'll get the pleasure of a diesel. Word is however that a Tundra diesel is in the works so who knows. A V8 turbo diesel pumping out 630 lb ft of torque would be a huge hit I'd guess.
  5. 1subwoofer

    1subwoofer

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    I'm from Australia and the majority of 4WDs and SUVs sold are diesel, we're talking 80% of sales or a bit higher
  6. stonepa

    stonepa

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    I've been looking at a Porsche Cayenne S for a daily driver. In the last redesign of the Cayenne they were able to drop 400+ pounds due to the use of aluminum, keep the cost the same, add mileage (8speed tranny helped) and performance. It will be interesting to see if Toyota does the same. And if they incorporate Hybrid drive like they have said in several press releases they will have a vehicle worth replacing my 100 for. I may even sell the 4Runner if I need to come up with the proverbial $100k.
  7. arich

    arich

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    I'm in line for a Land cruiser twin turbo diesel. I know the mercedes GL 350 won't be a vehicle I will want to keep for ten years so hopefully by 2018 there's a diesel here so I can add one to the stable. I am sold on the clean turbo diesel technology for a large SUV.
  8. 98LXand99LC

    98LXand99LC

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    Pretty drastic, did you adjust for the new tire diameter? Larger tire/fewer revolutions etc.?
  9. cederholm

    cederholm

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    I just bought a 200 which means the 300 will come out next week. That my friends is a scientific fact!

    ~ Carl
  10. GL350 is intriguing, only concern the suspension I would extend the warranty for the length of ownership. I've owned a few MB but all under warranty and the maintenance was still expensive. CL550, SL550 and CLS63. But you know this so enjoy.
  11. I hate all the complexity, been there done that. I just would love to see a 200 series with air, stereo, and auto transmission, with a heavy duty leather interior. Don't want all the high tech crap. Understand the need for ABS, VSC, ETC.

  12. SoCal FZJ80

    SoCal FZJ80 Supporting Vendor

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    Redesign of the Toyota Landcruiser for 2018

    If we go by the last few generations, we should see the next iteration in 2018.
    If the trend continues to follow what is popular in Japan, the full size Landcruiser
    will stay on the path of VIP and not off road.

    What needs to happen for all of us in the offroad market is the importation of the modern 70 Series. It fills the needs of having the rugged utilitarian features, straight front axle, optional diesel, and body selections in 2 or 4 door, Troopy, or Pickup variations. This way there are Cruisers for each interest group and at different price points based on the options you need.

    I can also say that if they imported the GXR version of the 200 with the twin turbo diesel and less convenience electronics, it would be a hot seller for sure. Our overseas customers are seeing fuel economy around 25mpg and purchase prices far less than what we pay in the USA. In addition is all the high tech options that are nice at the time of purchase, but prove to be a severe hinderance as the vehicle gets older. We see this with the loaded LC100/LX470 as it takes a large investment of time and money to upgrade out of the period dated technology such as the integrated climate control, NAV, and audio being combined. It is a serious job to remove all of these dated electronics, and it ends up making the base Cruisers that came with the standard radio and 3 knob climate control actually more valuable than the loaded NAV versions. Future proofing the owner isn't a positive route to go.

    I'm pretty sure the lower sales numbers of Cruisers in the USA can be attributed not only to overall cost, but also to the lack of choice for the customer. To get the features and price point you need or want, dictates you move to a different vehicle platform altogether. This is why so many previous Landcruiser loyal owners now own vehicles from other manufacturers, or simply never replace their current Cruiser with a newer one.
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2014
  13. texas

    texas

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    But does Toyota really need another SUV for the US market? 4Runner, Sequoia, Rav4, FJ Cruiser, Highlander, LC200. Not to mention the LC150 over at Lexus. I think what you want is a 4Runner diesel instead of the LC70.

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