On Borad Air York 210 Install (1 Viewer)

[rover67]

Headed back to the junk yard today so i picked up this old thread to see what applications use the York again. I figured I'd lift the list from the full size chevy forum and plop it here in case it ever goes missing over there. so again, this list is lifted from another place, that probably lifted it from somebody else.

1963-1968 AMERICAN MOTORS AMBASSADOR
1964-1968 AMERICAN MOTORS AMERICAN
1963-1966 AMERICAN MOTORS CLASSIC
1965-1967 AMERICAN MOTORS MARLIN
1967-1968 AMERICAN MOTORS REBEL
1980-1984 AUDI 4000 5 Cylinder 2.2
1984 AUDI 4000S QUATTRO 5 Cylinder 2.2
1987 AUDI COUPE 5 Cylinder 2.3
1981-1987 AUDI COUPE 5 Cylinder 2.2
1964 FORD CUSTOM
1967 FORD CUSTOM 8 Cylinder
1968 FORD CUSTOM 8 Cylinder 6.4
1968-1969 FORD CUSTOM 8 Cylinder 5.0
1968-1969 FORD CUSTOM 8 Cylinder 7.0
1968 FORD CUSTOM 500 8 Cylinder 4.7
1968 FORD CUSTOM 500 8 Cylinder 6.4
1968-1969 FORD CUSTOM 500 8 Cylinder 5.0
1968-1969 FORD CUSTOM 500 8 Cylinder 7.0
1969 FORD FAIRLANE 8 Cylinder 5.8
1958-1970 FORD FAIRLANE
1965-1967 FORD FAIRLANE 8 Cylinder 4.7
1966-1969 FORD FAIRLANE 8 Cylinder 6.4
1968-1969 FORD FAIRLANE 8 Cylinder 5.0
1968-1969 FORD FAIRLANE 8 Cylinder 7.0
1967 FORD FALCON 6 Cylinder 2.8
1967 FORD FALCON 6 Cylinder 3.3
1963-1970 FORD FALCON
1965-1968 FORD FALCON 8 Cylinder 4.7
1968-1970 FORD FALCON 8 Cylinder 5.0
1967 FORD GALAXIE 8 Cylinder
1963-1964 FORD GALAXIE 8 Cylinder
1968 FORD GALAXIE 500 8 Cylinder 6.4
1968-1969 FORD GALAXIE 500 8 Cylinder 5.0
1968-1969 FORD GALAXIE 500 8 Cylinder 7.0
1967 FORD LTD 8 Cylinder
1968 FORD LTD 8 Cylinder 4.7
1968 FORD LTD 8 Cylinder 6.4
1968-1969 FORD LTD 8 Cylinder 5.0
1968-1969 FORD LTD 8 Cylinder 7.0
1970 FORD MAVERICK
1967-1970 FORD MUSTANG
1963 FORD THUNDERBIRD 8 Cylinder 6.7
1963-1968 FORD THUNDERBIRD 8 Cylinder 6.4
1963-1968 FORD THUNDERBIRD 8 Cylinder 7.0
1965-1968 FORD LIGHT TRUCK E SERIES
1963-1969 FORD LIGHT TRUCK F SERIES
1973-1978 INTERNATIONAL SCOUT II 4 Cylinder 3.2
1973-1978 INTERNATIONAL SCOUT II 8 Cylinder 5.0
1975-1978 INTERNATIONAL SCOUT II 8 Cylinder 5.6
1976-1978 INTERNATIONAL SCOUT II 8 Cylinder 5.7
1968 LINCOLN CONTINENTAL 8 Cylinder 7.5
1963-1965 LINCOLN CONTINENTAL 8 Cylinder 7.0
1966-1968 LINCOLN CONTINENTAL 8 Cylinder 7.6
1960-1965 MERCEDES-BENZ 220 6 Cylinder 2.2
1969 MERCEDES-BENZ 230 6 Cylinder 2.3
1969-1970 MERCEDES-BENZ 250 6 Cylinder 2.5
1973-1976 MERCEDES-BENZ 280 6 Cylinder 2.7
1969-1973 MERCEDES-BENZ 220D 4 Cylinder 2.2
1960-1965 MERCEDES-BENZ 220S 6 Cylinder 2.2
1960-1965 MERCEDES-BENZ 220SE 6 Cylinder 2.2
1969 MERCEDES-BENZ 230S 6 Cylinder 2.3
1969 MERCEDES-BENZ 230SL 6 Cylinder 2.3
1970-1972 MERCEDES-BENZ 250C 6 Cylinder 2.8
1966-1967 MERCEDES-BENZ 250S 6 Cylinder 2.5
1966-1967 MERCEDES-BENZ 250SE 6 Cylinder 2.5
1967 MERCEDES-BENZ 250SL 6 Cylinder 2.5
1973-1976 MERCEDES-BENZ 280C 6 Cylinder 2.7
1978-1979 MERCEDES-BENZ 280CE 6 Cylinder 2.7
1969-1971 MERCEDES-BENZ 280S 6 Cylinder 2.8
1975-1976 MERCEDES-BENZ 280S 6 Cylinder 2.7
1977 MERCEDES-BENZ 280SE 6 Cylinder 2.7
1969-1972 MERCEDES-BENZ 280SE 6 Cylinder 2.8
1969-1971 MERCEDES-BENZ 280SEL 6 Cylinder 2.8
1969-1971 MERCEDES-BENZ 280SL 6 Cylinder 2.8
1961-1966 MERCEDES-BENZ 300SE 6 Cylinder 3.0
1963-1965 MERCEDES-BENZ 300SEL 6 Cylinder 3.0
1967 MERCURY COMET 8 Cylinder 6.4
1975 MERCURY COMET 8 Cylinder
1963-1969 MERCURY COMET 6 Cylinder
1964-1967 MERCURY COMET 8 Cylinder 4.7
1968-1969 MERCURY COMET 8 Cylinder
1968 MERCURY COUGAR 6 Cylinder
1967-1969 MERCURY COUGAR 8 Cylinder
1968 MERCURY MONTEGO
1969 MERCURY MONTEGO 6 Cylinder 4.1
1969 MERCURY MONTEGO 8 Cylinder 5.0
1969 MERCURY MONTEGO 8 Cylinder 5.8
1986-1988 VOLKSWAGEN QUANTUM 5 Cylinder 2.2

 

[Cruzerman]

I have a York on my 40 w/o a tank and, as you said, it works well. However, a tank, even a small one, is on the list.

I've seen many different things used for tanks. Like you stated, bumpers can be boxed / closed and used as a tank. Same for roll cages. Also, all larger trucks use air brakes and compressors and have tanks. There are big rig wrecking yards that have tanks of all sizes. They are nice because they tend to have petcocks for draining the water that will accumulate in a tank. Don't forget that tanks tend to accumulate water. And a friend of mine used a fire extinguisher. Apparently these have to be replaced after so many years by law. So the local fire extinguisher company has tons of these in various sizes that they cannot re-use. They are rated at very high pressure.

Again, nice install. You're now the most popular guy in the group when the run is over.

 

[rustybucket]

okay I have some questions.

Is there a braket for the 3b engine? Do I need to buy another pully to run the compressor? or buy a muchlonger belt to run the alternator and the compressor? What about tank length?

Lastly, I called almost every wreckign yard in bc and some out of the country. These compressors are really hard to locate. Who would hold onto such old cars before thay are crushed?

 

[rustybucket]

A coke CO2 bottle or scuba tank may also work!

 

[rover67]

So after a while of running it I have changed a few things..

The original York burned up after airing up like 4 trucks and holding the motor at 3k rpm to run it. It got so hot it started smoking...

So, it just stopped pumping.

Anyways, it also melted the water/oil separator filter assembly.

So, I ended up getting another compressor from the junkyard, but this time it was a cast iron one. I like this one much better, it seems much better built. I just looked for one that looked like the york, I think it is actually a motorcraft compressor. It came of of an old scout.

Anyways, I also upgraded the separator/filter to this unit:

::Kilby Enterprises::

It works much better and is a much higher quality unit.

I also boxed in my front bumper and am now using both front "wings" as air tanks.. this ended up helping a ton. The bumper also has a drain valve at teh bottom of it to make sure I can drain any water or oil that collects. Anyways, now the compressor can run a bit before I stop to air up and the first few tires fill really fast. it also allows the compressor to catch up in between tires. just having a tank has sped up fill times noticeably.

Last thing I did, is ever since the install, I couldn't get to my power steering reservoir... so when I replaced my power steering pump this week with a new one, I also got a remote res. kit for it.

Here is a picture of how it all looks today:

 

[rover67]

okay I have some questions.

Is there a braket for the 3b engine? Do I need to buy another pully to run the compressor? or buy a muchlonger belt to run the alternator and the compressor? What about tank length?

Lastly, I called almost every wreckign yard in bc and some out of the country. These compressors are really hard to locate. Who would hold onto such old cars before thay are crushed?

Sorry but I'm not really sure how it'd mount to a 3B....

As far as sourcing a compressor, you may want to try an auto parts store.. here Autozones actually have them and I think they are around $100. Look it up for one of the applications listed above.

 

[Elbert]

nice.... did you have a known part # for the fan belt, how hard was it to find one that worked.

 

[MANUCHAO]

Dang... Dude yah had to bring this thread back eh?
I been trying to put it off... Along with the drawers n fridge thing...
Thanks for doing all the leg work...

 

[rover67]

Original fan belt came with the mount kit. I just got a new one from NAPA Using the same part number. I can post it up if needed.

Frank, you need On Board Air

 

[cruiser guy]

It seems like you did that oil return for a resonable price. I have a york sitting in my shop but havent proceeded with the project because Kilby wants so much for the oil return kit

 

[alaska60]

Damn Marco,
One more thing I have to to put on the list of many cool upgrades... nice work and thanks for all the great info and time you took for the research.

 

[rover67]

The serpentine belt part number is a NAPA 061031

It is a 20mm x 2633mm or

13/16" x 103 5/8"

Again, this is for a 5.3 Vortec with the Kilby Mount, not a toyota motor.

 

[haryv]

So much for the nice shiny york 210

BTW good idea on used fire extinguisher tanks. I was wondering what I could use for a tank. Now I do need to replace my rear bumper. I do worry about the law..being that a bumper is compressed. I guess I could drill some 2 inch holes in it and weld in some split disk in the event of a rear ender..it will blow out the disk downwards. Split disk are just round pieces of 1/8 inch plate with a x grove in them that will peel open and exit the air in the event of a crash.

Also, is that 1/4 inch plate the compressor is mounted on? I made my bracket out of 3/16 plate. Hope it is thick enough.

 

[haryv]

Why not plug the oil return? not hard to do.

 

[rover67]

That plate was 1/4" but it is probably overkill. I bet 3/16 works fine.

I didn't do the oil control first because I was not really worried about it. It never really seemed to bypass too much oil. This new compressor I found isn't the same design as the york and doesn't really bypass too much oil.

Good Idea on the pressure relief plates, might be hard to do just the right groove in them though. My bumpers' ends are 1/4" thick steel and stuff like argon bottles are made of similar thickness material. I'm not too worried about a catastrophic failure with them. If anything they'll leak at a crummy weld somewhere, but they aren't just going to blow apart.

Post up some pics of your setup, i'd love to see the bracket!

 

[ntsqd]

I don't know about "they aren't just going to blow apart". The whole ASTM section on pressure vessels wouldn't be needed if they did just calmly leak every time. People tend to forget just how much energy is stored in compressed air. It's not like liquid under pressure where one small leak will return the whole system to ambient pressure with very little volumetric loss. Think about how long you had to put that much HP into compressing the air. Granted, there's loss from heat, but even still that is fair amount of HP-hours contained in that air tank. PVC is more subject to being brittle than is steel, but if you've ever seen a PVC air system let go you'll know how steel can behave in the right set of circumstances.

From my own research into the topic, the DOT etc. probably aren't going to be too interested until you go over 125 psi. Once you do that they will be very interested.

A good friend of mine made rocker sliders from 2x8x0.250" for another friend's truck. The RS slider was set up to be an air tank. I wish that I had a picture of just how distorted that tube was under pressure. Pressure vessels are round with round ends for a very good reason and that rect. tube tried really, really hard to become round.

New or used truck air brake air tanks are another source for compressed air storage.

 

[haryv]

if the frame could be sealed, pressurize it but not for air

slightly off topic. If you want to always know the integrity of your frame AND keep moisture out and its possible to seal it, then weld all the ends holes and so on and pressurize it with nitrogen. Any tiny leak from corrosion will push out, not allowing moisture in. If sudden loss of pressure while off roading, you know you hit something hard enough to crack it..but then again, you will hear what you hit

 

[Elbert]

You could try and loacte a used tank from a big truck (semi), adapt an air tank from the air brake system. Big trucks (class 8 ) and even smaller trucks with air systems generally have 3 tanks.

 

[haryv]

rover67, how many other ih8muders do you know of have the oba installed?

Also, where did you get the braided steel line?

 

[rover67]

I knwo of several guys with 80's that I wheel with that have it and another guy in a 60. The 60 guy used his stock AC compressor, and the 80 guys used Yorks. I'd imagine quite a few folks have OBA.

this is the hose I got to go from the compressor to the distribution block:

VIAIR Corporation - Leader Hoses

I found one on Ebay pretty cheap and just bought that one. You could probably do the same or buy it from any online store.