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Need a new engine

Discussion in '80-Series Tech' started by ColoradoLC, Aug 11, 2010.

  1. ColoradoLC

    ColoradoLC

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    My 97 80 has been running great since I bought it 2 years ago.

    It just recently developed a clicking and the local shop that does a lot of Toyota and LC repairs did some investigating and says my #3 cylinder is bad and I need a rebuild of the engine.

    I'm looking at about $5000 plus parts for a rebuild or for a new short block, they said somewhere around $7100!

    I want to check the forums and see if you guys have some suggestions for me. I'm pretty handy with a vehicle, but this is a little beyond what I have the experience with.

    Except for this, the rig is in great shape inside and out, so I'd hate to scrap it due to this, but I'm really having a hard time with those numbers...

    Thanks in advance,

    Winston
  2. Grench

    Grench SILVER Star

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    Clicking? Get a 2nd opinion on the source of that. Unless the cylinder is cracked - which would show up as burning oil or coolant... or if the rings are bad - which would show up in the exhaust (re-ring option) - or the injector is bad ($200 part and $400 labor) - I don't see off hand how they could diagnose a running vehicle as having a 'bad cylinder' requiring engine replacement without actually taking the head off and measuring/inspecting the thing directly.

    I suspect someone at that shop needs to make a boat payment?
  3. Grench

    Grench SILVER Star

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    Oh - I just noticed you're within 30 miles of Slee's place in Golden. He and his guys probably know more about these trucks than the original designers did. It would be worth it to pay them to diagnose the issue & be that 2nd opinion.

    If they were the first opinion, then they're probably right.
  4. beno

    beno 33030-60450 Moderator Supporting Vendor

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    Robbie is right there too.

    Another good choice.
  5. cme4lyt

    cme4lyt

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    Isn't CO the current location of PowederPig aka Robbie ?

    If I needed a 2nd/3rd opinion, which is what I would do based on what you've described, I'd be on the horn to Robbie even if it cost me a little $$$ for his time !

    Rgds...
  6. Romer

    Romer fatherofdaughterofromer Moderator

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    So, I would have Robbie (powderpig) look at it and it will likeley be less than half of that if what they say is true with hime doing the work.

    It also might be simple.
  7. ColoradoLC

    ColoradoLC

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    I should have mentioned this, but it's Comprehensive Car Care on Evans and they have treated me right for years. The worked on my 60 and always did great work before I got the 80.

    That said, they did remove the valve cover first and check for lifter issues, then when they couldn't find that, they called and wanted to ask if they could move forward with a more thorough inspection by taking the cylinder head off. So they did their due dilligence. I just don't know what my options are if it is as bad as they say.

    Let me know if you guys still think I should talk to Robbie and I'll do that.

    Thanks a bunch for the replies.
    Winston
  8. beno

    beno 33030-60450 Moderator Supporting Vendor

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    Yes, I would definitely still talk with Robbie.

    He is probably the best 1FZ-FE mechanic in the US.
  9. ColoradoLC

    ColoradoLC

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    Thanks for the advice guys. I'll hit up Robbie and see what he has to say.
  10. Romer

    Romer fatherofdaughterofromer Moderator

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    X2 on Robbie. They may have treated you right, but Robbie knoes and understands these vehicles. His rate is less then their shop rate.

    He is held in such High regard that people schedule multiple vehicles to be worked on and then pay him to travel cross country rather than using their local shop. Just serach for threads and you will see multiple instances.

    Before I spent $5000, I would get him to look at it for peace of mind if nothing else
  11. coax

    coax

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    To echo others comments, absolutley have Robbie or Slee or someone else knowledgeable about 80's take a look at it before you drop any money. Well worth the little extra time and money to have it diagnosed properly. Then you can get whatever needs fixed, fixed right, and the first time.

  12. ColoradoLC

    ColoradoLC

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    Okay I spoke to Robbie and he definitely knows his stuff, so now I need to figure out what route to take on this, then find the money, then make it happen.

    I appreciate all of the advice. I'll post up which way I go.

    Thanks!
    Winston
  13. azTony

    azTony SILVER Star

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    So... what did Robbie say? Do you need a new engine?
  14. js93cruiser

    js93cruiser

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    a new engine? shops will most of the time try and take advantage of you...i work for a gm dealership ask me how i know, there there to make money....get a 2nd and 3rd opinion....how is it running? burning smoke? need specifics...
  15. thestunts

    thestunts

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  16. ColoradoLC

    ColoradoLC

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    Well the mechanic has the head off and says cylinder #3 has scoring. Robbie said if that is the case, then it's done.

    I'm checking my options now on local engines first, then I may start looking outside my area.
  17. beno

    beno 33030-60450 Moderator Supporting Vendor

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    I would find out from an engine machinist if a .5mm over or a 1.0mm over boring would take care of the scoring in the cylinder.

    If so, you can get new pistons and rings of that size for the 1FZ from Toyota.
  18. Buckru

    Buckru

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    Outta curiosity, what's the smart shopper price?

    Buck
  19. beno

    beno 33030-60450 Moderator Supporting Vendor

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    Pistons: List: $98.08 MUD: $73.56
    Rings: List: $358.50 MUD: $268.95

    We stock these as a normal stock item.

    :)
  20. cruiserdan

    cruiserdan SupportingVendor Emeritus Moderator Supporting Vendor

    To clarify, that's $73.56 per piston.

    Unless you can talk Beno into buying 5 for you.................:lol:

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