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M416 Trailer build

Discussion in 'Trailer Tech' started by womacje, Sep 8, 2010.

  1. womacje

    womacje Supporting Vendor

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    I have just recently purchased a M416 trailer. Frame is in great shape, axle is doing well also.

    To be done:
    Strip it down
    Blast it
    Convert hubs to 6x5.5"
    Fix E-Brake housing
    Weld in reciever into rear of frame
    Weld Sliders to frame
    Reinforce tailgate
    Make height adjustable rack
    Make tongue box(Water pump, Batteries,...
    Slide out kitchen
    Propane cylinder mount
    Frontrunner Gas can mounts
    Frontrunner Rack
    Eezi-Awn 1600 T-Top
    Shovel/Axe/Hi-Lift mounts
    Reciever added to tongue
    Max Coupler
    ...
    Way down the road:
    Solar
    Radio/Comm's
    Drawer slides for the rear
    Spare tire Swingout

    My goal is to be able to travel the tent at a low height and sleep at 6'3"+/-, this allowing the Awning to be at an appropriate height and making the shower room off the T-Top usable.

    I'll be fully documenting my build on Expedition Ops Facebook page at Expedition Ops | Facebook

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    Last edited: Sep 8, 2010
  2. womacje

    womacje Supporting Vendor

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    Machining hubs???

    I have the old stub axles so the hubs can't be swapped with a dexter to achieve my 6x5.5" stud pattern.

    Heres what I was thinking about doing: Weld in the existing studs grind them flush and have a machinist drill new stud holes.

    Any one tried this?
  3. womacje

    womacje Supporting Vendor

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    Here are some sketches of what I was thinking for design wise. Excuse the napkin sketches.

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  4. womacje

    womacje Supporting Vendor

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    Does anyone have a source for 20" stroke gas lift springs? I've been trying to find them, McMaster Carr only goes up to about 15" then they get super spendy. I was going to use these in the 4 corners to lift the rack and tent, then use locking pins to support the weight of humans in the tent.
    I'd love to be able to put the rack/tent as close to the top of the trailer rails as possible, then lift it to a height of 6'3" for the tall folks that travel with me. Sadly not much of a concern for me. I know the Conqueror trailers use gas lift springs for thiers as well, thats where I got the idea.

    Suggestions?
  5. womacje

    womacje Supporting Vendor

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    Once, I seperated all the pieces parts of the trailer, I discovered that the main leaf were broken and the C-shackles were siezed. Thanks to Mud, I found the replacement springs but after shipping and cost they were pretty spendy. Aside from not liking the idea of trashing something that is mostly good, I also like supporting local craftsmen. So, I found a spring guy in town that was able to give me a good determination on life left in the springs and it cost me less to have him rebuild the springs and set them up for me than new springs would cost. $65 to make new mains and reassemble them as opposed to $80/spring pack from aftermarket companies. So, off they went to Randy to be reworked. I'm trying to decide how to lift the trailer, the tires will be 33" BFG AT's to match the truck on 4Runner steel wheels. That will increase the ride a bit.

    I was able to pick up the wheels from a local Toyota 4WD club memeber for $40 with 32" rubber on them!!! Woohoo!

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  6. womacje

    womacje Supporting Vendor

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    Trailer Sandblasted

    I sent the trailer off to the sandblasters and got the parts back in 3 days. $300 wasn't too bad, of course I told them the only thing they needed to be careful with was the drains... guess what was bent? They knocked off $30 for the damage and I was off.

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  7. womacje

    womacje Supporting Vendor

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    Welding sliders

    PhotoGod and I grabbed steel last week and started on the sliders that are welded to the frame. These will support the Wedco cans and the propane cylinder, plus add protection to the trail from trail damage. The tires and wheels are wider, instead of extending the fenders with sheet, I figured I'd make a step surface and fender sliders as well. I'm short so adding something to walk around the trailer for loading onto the rack won't hurt either.

    Here are some teaser pics but there are more at Expedition Ops | Facebook

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  8. womacje

    womacje Supporting Vendor

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    Adding Reciever

    I swung by Northern Tool to grab 2" recievers. One for the tongue and one for the back end of the trailer frame. This should allow me to have a rear recovery point for the trailer or carry a bike rack or maybe MAYBE a motorcycle carrier.

    They had an 18" tube and a 12" tube, the 18" was almost a perfect fit to reach between the two rails, this will later get 1.5"x3 14ga steel tube going diagonally to the side rails for strength and support.

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    Last edited: Sep 8, 2010
  9. Dezdan

    Dezdan Regular Member

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    :popcorn: Looking good!
  10. womacje

    womacje Supporting Vendor

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    Thanks. I waited a bit til I was into the project so I could post a lot of goodies at once. Nothing worse than, seeing someones build start and having to wait!!! :crybaby:
  11. womacje

    womacje Supporting Vendor

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    Tailgate

    Started cleaning the tailgate and the tub for reinforcements. Off comes the grab handles and what was left of the mounting tabs. I've decided to use 1" tube to reinforce the tailgate and create good clean hinge and seal surfaces.

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  12. titanpat57

    titanpat57 SILVER Star

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    Nice job!!

    I like the additions...just one thing......

    If you're gonna roll with Photogod you better armor plate the whole thing



    and add scuba gear...














    :lol:

    Keep up the good work

    Pat
  13. womacje

    womacje Supporting Vendor

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    Thanks Pat (Trailer Guru Extrodinaire). Coming from you that means alot. This may be a different PhotoGod than you are thinking, the closest his truck gets to water is the 3gal tank in the back!!!! :D

    But the Scuba gear is going on next. :cool:
  14. greentruck

    greentruck New Member

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    Hmmm, I didn't even know that the M416 came with anything other than a regular axle under it. I'd be inclined to just order a new 3500# axle and put some regular leaf springs under it. But that would be a project, too, and if you bought everything new would probably run you $400 to $500.
  15. womacje

    womacje Supporting Vendor

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    Replacing the axle with a new one would cost 400 if I went with an electric brake drum with cable actuated parking brake. Im trying not to trash a good axle and keep the parking brake.
  16. greentruck

    greentruck New Member

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    Yes, the parking brake is a keeper. Doesn't see much use around the garage, where it's flat, but get that sucker near any hill and you'll be glad you retained it.
  17. photogod

    photogod New Member

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    Its Photogod and you can SMD. Show the guys the angles you cut and the ones I did. Nuff said. :bang: Thats the thanks I get for all the help I give you and for getting you into this habit. I'm coming over tomorrow to get my chop saw back, and my dog hates you. She wants a model release if you continue to use her in your photos!:flipoff2:

    And thanks Pat. I think that was a compliment.
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2010
  18. womacje

    womacje Supporting Vendor

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    Easy killer! I have posted up the picture of your precision cutting skills on facebook. Followers link, anyone can see them there.

    I can't post to mud from my phone, so I put up a pic of the progress made this weekend on facebook, not much, but some. I have trimmed the angles off the tailgate and will begin welding them back onto the tub. PhotoGod and I have cut a 1.5"x3" section of tube at a 120 degree angle to help pull the distorted tub back into alignment and also to provide rigidity to the backside of the tub. This will be bolted onto the frame sliders.

    Marta, loves me! And she has recieve her photo credits! Hahaha!
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2010
  19. titanpat57

    titanpat57 SILVER Star

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    oh yea...a reeaaalll compliment..:rolleyes: :beer:

    Can I send you the bill for the new build...I mean, I'm only over budget by about 4 grand, with no end in sight...:lol:

    If it wasn't for people like PG and a few others...I'd probably would have a life, and a real relationship with my fiance...instead of everything revolving around these stupid trailers.

    But forge ahead we must, because the lure of the trail is stronger than sitting back, reading the forums, and letting all the others have the fun!

    This is going to be a fun build....that 1600 and Max Coupler are going to be top notch addtions!

    Keep up the great work!

    Pat
  20. womacje

    womacje Supporting Vendor

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    Half the trouble and delight I've gotten into due to this lifestyle is all owed to that B@stard PhotoGod... I was shopping for a Sportsmobile when I saw his truck at work... next thing you know, he is loaning me his M101, as his wife is saying "you should feel pretty honored that he's letting you borrow this, don't eff it up!" Donna's a great woman!!! Life is full of great people placed in your life at dire times, helping me come out a stronger person with a new passion and a great support group.

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