Neighbors house robbed - be careful - THEY STRIKE AGAIN! (aka: The Great Gun Thread)

[informationjunky]

Originally Posted by pillguy

Guys,

Have enjoyed reading the thread about guns and alarm systems, one question I have is what type of ammo do I need.
I have a colt 45 (like westerns) and a 45 colt automatic (like ones in WWII)..... so what ammo type do I need? I think for the Colt 45 auto is .45 APC. Is this correct? and what type do I need for the other.

Thanks,

It it is a "Colt" manufactured 45 revolver.....you don't need to be shooting it.....more than likely it is way toooo valuable. the auto is acp "automatic colt pistol"

[BELMONT148]

Originally Posted by informationjunky

It it is a "Colt" manufactured 45 revolver.....you don't need to be shooting it.....more than likely it is way toooo valuable. the auto is acp "automatic colt pistol"

A gun you can't shoot is nothing more than a prop. If you can't shoot it, why own it. Now if it is an original cowboy action revolver that your great grandad shot some famous lowlife while he was a sheriff in the west I understand maybe not shooting it. I still would though.

As far as the cost goes, I shoot new 1911's that cost way more than a vintage colt would cost. Heck some people pay $20k for a full-auto just to shoot them.

If I had a Colt .45 LC revolver I wouldn't hesitate to take it into the bush with me if I new I had a chance of meeting a wild boar or bear.

I think we are gonna need pics of these beauties Pillguy. As a matter of fact, I can't believe know one has brandished their arsenals yet.

Actually I do, good ole B.O. might be wachting waiting to tally up all the screen names with weapons to trace back to your server and confiscate your weapons.

Jeremy

[Gundy]

Originally Posted by BELMONT148

A gun you can't shoot is nothing more than a prop. If you can't shoot it, why own it. Now if it is an original cowboy action revolver that your great grandad shot some famous lowlife while he was a sheriff in the west I understand maybe not shooting it. I still would though.

As far as the cost goes, I shoot new 1911's that cost way more than a vintage colt would cost. Heck some people pay $20k for a full-auto just to shoot them.

If I had a Colt .45 LC revolver I wouldn't hesitate to take it into the bush with me if I new I had a chance of meeting a wild boar or bear.

I think we are gonna need pics of these beauties Pillguy. As a matter of fact, I can't believe know one has brandished their arsenals yet.

Actually I do, good ole B.O. might be wachting waiting to tally up all the screen names with weapons to trace back to your server and confiscate your weapons.

Jeremy

Here's a little beauty I keep handy loaded with 280 gr. 44 mags.
S&W Performance Center 44mag. Model 629 Light Hunter.
Like I said...doors, walls? What's the problem?

[informationjunky]

Originally Posted by BELMONT148

A gun you can't shoot is nothing more than a prop. If you can't shoot it, why own it. Now if it is an original cowboy action revolver that your great grandad shot some famous lowlife while he was a sheriff in the west I understand maybe not shooting it. I still would though.

Jeremy

two of my browing high powers are worth in the 2-3K range (purchased in the 60's for about $80 each), if I shoot them their value declines. Some people purchase colt cowboy revolvers just for the investment, pull out a blue book and look over the values. a line across the cylinder from rotating it can decrease its value.
My gun investments have done much better than my 401K.

Depending on the age/condition, If he wants to shoot it, I would NOT shoot anyting other than a cowboy load.... I'm pretty sure only black hawks and such are rated for anything other than standard loads in 45lc.

[BELMONT148]

I would never reccomend for anyone to plink or practice with +P ammo. However, if I had a 45 Colt, regardless of the frame strength, and I had an oppurtunity to load it with +P ammo to defend my life or someone else from a bear attack, then I wouldn't care about the gun. I would just care about dropping the attacker. Obviously cowboy loads would be the choice for fun shooting. I just meant have some on hand in case you need it.

Nice gun Gundy. I just discovered the Performance Center SW guns yesterday. They make some beautiful custom pieces. The gun shop I was at yesterday had a nice looking Performance Center .45 ACP that was very similar to an Officer's 1911 but it was also very different. It was an interesting looking gun.

Jeremy

[eventhough]

You need to practice at least to some extent with what you carry. Cheap ammo is OK for plinking and drills, but when the brown stinky stuff hits the spinny thingy you want to be able to shoot what you carry.

I used to carry 135g Corbons in my 40SW Glock 27. They kicked much harder than the yellow box UMC rounds I plinked with. It was expensive to shoot the carry rounds but ya gotta do it some.

[Gundy]

Originally Posted by informationjunky

two of my browing high powers are worth in the 2-3K range (purchased in the 60's for about $80 each), if I shoot them their value declines. Some people purchase colt cowboy revolvers just for the investment, pull out a blue book and look over the values. a line across the cylinder from rotating it can decrease its value.
My gun investments have done much better than my 401K.

Depending on the age/condition, If he wants to shoot it, I would NOT shoot anyting other than a cowboy load.... I'm pretty sure only black hawks and such are rated for anything other than standard loads in 45lc.

This is one from my collection I'll never even chamber a round in. Still has cosmoline (sp)
in the barrel. This is not my Golden Spike just a similar one. My original boxes are pristine.
Not worth much ...just purdy as all get out. 30/30.

[BELMONT148]

Another nice gun. My boss collects Model 94's as well. He has a couple Teddy Rosev.'s and a few Canadian Cent. Unfortunately they made so many of these commerative guns they are not worth a whole lot, but considering they cost about $125 in the 60's and are worth $600-$1000 now ain't a bad investment for such beautiful steel.

That $125 you stuffed under your mattress in 1969 would barely take your family to a nice steak dinner these days.

Jeremy

[pillguy]

I do not think it is an old one, my grandfather was a border patrol agent and it was his service revolver from what I was told. 1950s or later. I will see what I can do to get a picture up. In a way it was sad, when he passed in the 1970s, he had a big gun collection, mostly military surplus stuff that would be nice to have now.

Originally Posted by informationjunky

It it is a "Colt" manufactured 45 revolver.....you don't need to be shooting it.....more than likely it is way toooo valuable. the auto is acp "automatic colt pistol"

[BELMONT148]

Does it have "USIBP" stamped on the bcak strap?

Jeremy

[informationjunky]

Originally Posted by BELMONT148

Does it have "USIBP" stamped on the bcak strap?

Jeremy

X2, any chance you have paper work of it being issued to him? you can request the history of it thru cold
Colt's Manufacturing Company LLC border patrol marked would definatly affect the value (in the upward direction)

[Brock]

Ruger Blackhawks, Redhawks.....Freedom Arms and a few custom builders that use their frames are typically the only ones safe to shoot with HOT LOADS. I have one of each....and shoot everything from Cowboy Loads (mild) to factory (average) to Garret or BuffaloBore (Hot) through them. My SBH Hunter with a bisley grip in .45LC is very accurate and with the right loads can stop about anything you want.

.454 Casull, .45LC, .44RemMag, .480Ruger....all great loads.

If we were not going to Uwharrie at end of month I would be at the Gun Show but once again I will miss it......my wife must be praying for them to fall on weekends we have trips or events to keep me from buying a new carry weapon or something else I dont need...just want.

[BELMONT148]

So keeping with the cowboy gun talk, what do you guys reccomend for a good lever action .45 Colt? I have been looking for a good carbine shooter lately. I am getting a Ruger SBH Conv. in 45 Colt/45 ACP soon and I want a matching lever gun to go with it. I like the 1892's but have only found some imports and a Cimmaron Firearms model.

Jeremy

[Brock]

Uberti (Italian) is the big cowboy replica manufacturer that rivals or exceeds quality of originals in many cases......then you have Marlin and Cimarron or a used Winchester you can find. Just depends if you want to shoot to have fun or want authenticity and whether you want your weapons to match or not.

You can get you a Uberti 1873 in .45 to match that SBH.....or you can get a revolver from them as well.

As for revolvers...if I could not afford the Colts new models...I would buy the Ruger Vaguero or the Taurus Gaucho in .44-40 or .45 LC and forget about shooting .45acp from revolver as it requires moon clips. Not sure if you have a lot of experience with moon clips but they are a pain in the ass in my opinion. Just my opinion though.

The SBH is not a cowboy revolver but if only want a revolver and not concerned about it being period accurate it is one of the strongest actions out there besides Freedom Arms and Magnum Researches BFR revolvers.

I would go with one of the nice and reliable .45/.44-40 levers with a Ruger or Taurus revolver to match the same caliber....and then a nice leather rig with contoured belt stoked with some nice lead rounds of same caliber.

Then get the SBH still for heavy loads.

[informationjunky]

Dont forget Beretta is now in the game...my Uberti is a nice and accurate, and was reasonably priced.

[Brock]

yep, you are right...forgot about that one. I saw a nice case colored Taurus Gaucho two gun shows ago....great price, and all the reviews I have read from those in the know say it is as good as the Ruger Vaguero and some thought better as Colt reproductions go.

[pillguy]

I checked the gun, no stamps like that on it. WHat is the Bcak strap?
THe only markings stamped are the colt horse on the side, colt mfg.... and patent dates and what I guess the serial number is on the gun.

Originally Posted by BELMONT148

Does it have "USIBP" stamped on the bcak strap?

Jeremy

[BELMONT148]

So this would be a good buy for the revolver?

Davidson's Catalog Item Detail=

Jeremy

[pillguy]

So If I was in for getting another hand gun, good quality low moderate to mid moderate price, what would you all recommend and what type of holster is best?

Thanks,

Andrew

Originally Posted by Brock

Uberti (Italian) is the big cowboy replica manufacturer that rivals or exceeds quality of originals in many cases......then you have Marlin and Cimarron or a used Winchester you can find. Just depends if you want to shoot to have fun or want authenticity and whether you want your weapons to match or not.

You can get you a Uberti 1873 in .45 to match that SBH.....or you can get a revolver from them as well.

As for revolvers...if I could not afford the Colts new models...I would buy the Ruger Vaguero or the Taurus Gaucho in .44-40 or .45 LC and forget about shooting .45acp from revolver as it requires moon clips. Not sure if you have a lot of experience with moon clips but they are a pain in the ass in my opinion. Just my opinion though.

The SBH is not a cowboy revolver but if only want a revolver and not concerned about it being period accurate it is one of the strongest actions out there besides Freedom Arms and Magnum Researches BFR revolvers.

I would go with one of the nice and reliable .45/.44-40 levers with a Ruger or Taurus revolver to match the same caliber....and then a nice leather rig with contoured belt stoked with some nice lead rounds of same caliber.

Then get the SBH still for heavy loads.

[informationjunky]

Originally Posted by pillguy

I checked the gun, no stamps like that on it. WHat is the Bcak strap?
THe only markings stamped are the colt horse on the side, colt mfg.... and patent dates and what I guess the serial number is on the gun.

back strap - the metal that runs along the back of the grip. If you wouldn't mind, post the s/n with the last 3 as xxx and it will give a good idea to date its. IE if the s/n is 123456 post it as 123xxx.

[pillguy]

Here is the serial number: 353xxx
Also says new service 45 colt on the barrel

Originally Posted by informationjunky

back strap - the metal that runs along the back of the grip. If you wouldn't mind, post the s/n with the last 3 as xxx and it will give a good idea to date its. IE if the s/n is 123456 post it as 123xxx.

[delta21]

Man I can’t believe that I'm so far behind on this thread, Here's my .02. Thieves are scumbags, but do you really want to shoot someone for a car stereo? I agree if an intruder is in your home or on your property (owned or rented) and this includes campsites AND the intruder has the intent and means of doing bodily harm then by all means strech'em out! I have a German Shepherd and a bunch of guns I'm not sure which is more dangerous, but all this gun talk and ammo puts a smile on my face, I've seen a lot of dead people and I mean ALOT, more than I can remember and the deadliest round IMO is the .38 I know this can be argued from here to eternity I'm just sayin what I've seen with my own eyes. It's slow, heavy, cheap, easy to find and reload and gets the job done.

My.02, well maybe I put in 1.50 Long live the gun thread

[BELMONT148]

Originally Posted by informationjunky

Dont forget Beretta is now in the game...my Uberti is a nice and accurate, and was reasonably priced.

I was told the Uberti Cattleman is the exact same gun as the Stampede. Which would make sense seeing as Beretta owns Uberti.

Originally Posted by delta21

my favorite sound in the world is drunken laughter and gunfire.

Really, to me that is the worst sound. I run like hell from alcohol and gun play. That is why I quite duck hunting with friends. 3 am beer and strange smoke with loaded weapons and tired eyes are not my idea of sport anymore. But hey, we've all been there. Just glad I am still here.

Jeremy

[delta21]

Edited, your right it's not that funny.

[BELMONT148]

No worries. Just remember people, there is no such thing as a gun accident.

[Soap box removed]

Jeremy

[scott johnson]

Great handgun with a good price? Check out the Springfield XD's if you looking for a semi auto. I have one in 40 cal that is kick @#@. Very simple, safe, and acurate.

[Brock]

i agree...i got my brother to shoot one couple years ago as it is fine weapon...and he was sold and LOVES IT.

[BELMONT148]

I just sold an XDm that I bought at X-Mas. Not my cup of tea. I think I prefer hammer-fired guns instead. Or atleast as compared to the XD triggers. I have just been spoiled with a crisp 1911 that breaks like glass with know overtravel.

Well, so much for that Vaquero. They had a bunch in stock when I posted that, now they are all gone. I wonder if I screwed up by posting it and Google sent a bunch of people too it.

Jeremy

[Brock]

might try Gallery of Guns....and also GunBroker.com where I got my Ruger SBH Bisley in .45 LC through them....a few years ago. They have a large assortment of Vaqueros right now from $300+ and up....

[99UZJay]

Hornady TAP ammo for the AR, it has excellent terminal properties, I saw one of the PD's use it to neutralize a vehicle with driver and the round stopped in the perp and did not cause any collateral damage to the passenger. Now granted this was a training exercise and dummies were used, but I was highly impressed, Also sportsmans guide carries "centurion" ammo for 12g shotguns, it has 4 #3 shot and 1 00 shot for added stopping power, great round from what I hear. As for me I usually don't leave home w/o my P229 filled with hydrashocks. My uncle sam training teaches me to be prepared for war at any time, but hope for peace. Also that deterrence, descalation and avoidance will give you a long life, but not being prepared will shorten it. This is the reason I suggested a "shooting" meeting for UC or a UC shooters club....