Given choice? POR15 or professional paint

Lulu · 05-22-08, 07:03 AM

I've been given a great opportunity recently. A friends boss is allowing us access to his machine/fabricating shop with paint booth and welders and bears oh my!
I have been approaching this rebuild as a backyard DIY. I will still be doing the work but now I have access to better tools and materials etc.
Question? Given the circumstance would you guys still use POR15 for frame and axles or use a heavy poly-urethane. I am not sure what it is exactly but this guy suggests it over powder coating and he was going to ask a classic car restorer about POR15 as he had not heard of it. I am open to suggestions. I think the material will be free as he has left over laying around his shop...
thanks guys for any input.

Brad

Weedhopper · 05-22-08, 07:38 AM

You lucky duck !!!

ken_79-fj40 · 05-22-08, 09:14 AM

When I did my restoration I used the Eastwood version of POR-15 that you can actually paint over. I put a few coats on then sprayed a few coats of their chassis black. From what I hear POR-15 doesn't accept paint very well, and the stuff is also super toxic if you spray it.

Lulu · 05-22-08, 09:29 AM

I have heard that as well. (toxic) I think only their chasis black will go over it, but I could be wrong on that... In all honesty this will be a summer rig in town and maybe some hunting camping trips... so I want it sealed good but don't need rock proof so much...
thanks

ps Do you recall the name of product or is it easily searched for on their site?

Brad

Lulu · 05-22-08, 09:37 AM

Is this it?
50545 ZP 2k Ceramic Chassis Black quart w/ 8oz activator Satin
50242 ZP Epoxy Primer Gray Quart
Or did you use something different.
thanks

ken_79-fj40 · 05-23-08, 10:40 AM

The stuff I used was called rust encapsulator, and the topcoat was their regular chassis black. My truck has always been in northeast, so the frame was pretty nasty. I sandblasted the whole thing, then cleaned it all off and sprayed the rust encapsulator. I used 2 quarts on the frame. Then I sprayed 1 quart of chassis black over that. I painted my axles with old school gloss black dupont centari enamel. Everything's held up great, but mine's always garaged and rarely even sees rain let alone road salt.

M5driver · 05-23-08, 01:18 PM

Rust Bullet. Brush or spray, like regular paint (urethane); thins with MEK if needed, no more toxic than any paint used by a body shop. Goes on over clean or rusty metal, can go over well sanded paint. You can paint right over it with any regular paint - pro, rattle-can, brush or roller. Took forever to get it here where I'm currently posted, but I think it will prove to be worth the pain

Dan

Lulu · 05-23-08, 10:05 PM

ken_79-fj40 - thanks, I did find that on their website and also an old article comparing it to POR15. I didn't see any retail locations listed though. Did you purchase it direct or did I miss where it can be purchased... also did you have to use a larger nozzle to spray it or just a standard size? Don't have any idea what I'm asking I just want to know what to ask for when I get all this together...

M5driver - thanks for your addition. I've been following your thread... don't envy you having to deal with importing everything, but I sure could use a few extra set of hands.

05-22-08, 07:03 AM	#1
Lulu IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 114	Given choice? POR15 or professional paint I've been given a great opportunity recently. A friends boss is allowing us access to his machine/fabricating shop with paint booth and welders and bears oh my! I have been approaching this rebuild as a backyard DIY. I will still be doing the work but now I have access to better tools and materials etc. Question? Given the circumstance would you guys still use POR15 for frame and axles or use a heavy poly-urethane. I am not sure what it is exactly but this guy suggests it over powder coating and he was going to ask a classic car restorer about POR15 as he had not heard of it. I am open to suggestions. I think the material will be free as he has left over laying around his shop... thanks guys for any input. Brad __________________ 1974 FJ40 down to the frame

05-22-08, 07:38 AM	#2
Weedhopper IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: HUH ? Oh..... CT Posts: 598	You lucky duck !!! __________________ Speed bumps hurt 78 FJ 40 Russstard..and a sistership for parts

05-22-08, 09:14 AM	#3
ken_79-fj40 IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Hampshire TLCA# 15247 Posts: 642	When I did my restoration I used the Eastwood version of POR-15 that you can actually paint over. I put a few coats on then sprayed a few coats of their chassis black. From what I hear POR-15 doesn't accept paint very well, and the stuff is also super toxic if you spray it. __________________ 79 FJ40,85 Mustang GT,05 Tacoma,00 4Runner,89 pickup

05-22-08, 09:29 AM	#4
Lulu IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 114	I have heard that as well. (toxic) I think only their chasis black will go over it, but I could be wrong on that... In all honesty this will be a summer rig in town and maybe some hunting camping trips... so I want it sealed good but don't need rock proof so much... thanks ps Do you recall the name of product or is it easily searched for on their site? Brad __________________ 1974 FJ40 down to the frame

05-22-08, 09:37 AM	#5
Lulu IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 114	Is this it? 50545 ZP 2k Ceramic Chassis Black quart w/ 8oz activator Satin 50242 ZP Epoxy Primer Gray Quart Or did you use something different. thanks __________________ 1974 FJ40 down to the frame

05-23-08, 10:40 AM	#6
ken_79-fj40 IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Hampshire TLCA# 15247 Posts: 642	The stuff I used was called rust encapsulator, and the topcoat was their regular chassis black. My truck has always been in northeast, so the frame was pretty nasty. I sandblasted the whole thing, then cleaned it all off and sprayed the rust encapsulator. I used 2 quarts on the frame. Then I sprayed 1 quart of chassis black over that. I painted my axles with old school gloss black dupont centari enamel. Everything's held up great, but mine's always garaged and rarely even sees rain let alone road salt. __________________ 79 FJ40,85 Mustang GT,05 Tacoma,00 4Runner,89 pickup

05-23-08, 01:18 PM	#7
M5driver IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lilongwe Posts: 501	Rust Bullet. Brush or spray, like regular paint (urethane); thins with MEK if needed, no more toxic than any paint used by a body shop. Goes on over clean or rusty metal, can go over well sanded paint. You can paint right over it with any regular paint - pro, rattle-can, brush or roller. Took forever to get it here where I'm currently posted, but I think it will prove to be worth the pain Dan __________________ 1978 FJ40, "The Blue Mule", 217,000 miles 1980 Maule M5-235C, "The Blue Beast", 1404 hrs TTAF&E - FJ40 with wings 1982 Mercedes 300D Turbo, "Ol' Red", 380,000 miles 1953 Spousal unit, "The Wife", lifetime warranty, definite keeper (and firmly attached to all of the above) KA3JWW, but I don't have my rig right now

05-23-08, 10:05 PM	#8
Lulu IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 114	ken_79-fj40 - thanks, I did find that on their website and also an old article comparing it to POR15. I didn't see any retail locations listed though. Did you purchase it direct or did I miss where it can be purchased... also did you have to use a larger nozzle to spray it or just a standard size? Don't have any idea what I'm asking I just want to know what to ask for when I get all this together... M5driver - thanks for your addition. I've been following your thread... don't envy you having to deal with importing everything, but I sure could use a few extra set of hands. __________________ 1974 FJ40 down to the frame

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