ACE tintable Rustoleum product

jsaltlick · 10-12-07, 05:10 PM

Went to ACE Hardware today to check out the Rustoleum colors to paint my 40. They had ACE "Rust Stop" brand tintable base quarts that they said they can custom color match anything and it's the same as Rustoleum. The guy said to bring in a paint chip the size of a dime and they can match anything.

Has anyone tried the roller method with this stuff? Would it hold up as good as Rustoleum? Is it actually Rustoleum with a different name on it (like most generics?)

If so, my 40 will be Toyota mustard yellow by december.

nikos8 · 10-13-07, 06:11 PM

If it an oil base paint it's pretty much the same as Rustoleum and should roll on the same way.

jsaltlick · 10-13-07, 07:03 PM

it is the oil base paint. Think a red pigment would hold up??

(great avatar, I have #2 on the way myself)

ManBearPig · 10-16-07, 05:54 PM

Thanks for the tip!

I went to Ace today with an ambulance door hinge and now have a gallon of smurf blue. Read the label when I got home and it says not to use it on automobiles, roof, exterior house, and prolonged contact with water. That has me a little worried. But the label also says to use it on machinery and farm equipment so what the fudge? I'll still use it, just want to get a few years out of it untill I can afford a real resto. I'm gonna let the paint sit a few weeks for all the bubbles to dissipate, then I'll attempt to roll my hood.

eventhough · 10-17-07, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ManBearPig

Thanks for the tip!

I went to Ace today with an ambulance door hinge and now have a gallon of smurf blue. Read the label when I got home and it says not to use it on automobiles, roof, exterior house, and prolonged contact with water. That has me a little worried. But the label also says to use it on machinery and farm equipment so what the fudge? I'll still use it, just want to get a few years out of it untill I can afford a real resto. I'm gonna let the paint sit a few weeks for all the bubbles to dissipate, then I'll attempt to roll my hood.

I'm thinking it says not to use on autos due to quality/finish where as a rougher quality/finish would be OK on machinery....

Flinny · 10-17-07, 07:29 AM

How much are they asking for the gallon?

brownbear · 10-17-07, 11:04 AM

mineral spirits is the best thinner. Really helps self level.

The deeper colours will probably fade. But can be buffed right back up again.

I think it's great paint. I used the Tremclad brand on my 60.

ManBearPig · 10-17-07, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Flinny

How much are they asking for the gallon?

$24.95

jsaltlick · 10-18-07, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eventhough

I'm thinking it says not to use on autos due to quality/finish where as a rougher quality/finish would be OK on machinery....

I would assume that they think you won't be wet sanding. They probably put that on so the morons that roll it on with no inentions of sanding won't sue them to have their cars repainted.

Anyone know where I can get a swatch of the mustard yello paint so they can scan it in to match? ACE said they can't do the paint using auto paint codes and they need to scan the actual color.

zebrabeefj40 · 10-23-07, 04:03 PM

Like I posted in the thread in the 40 section: I'll loan you a mustard kick vent if you can give me the mixing "recipe" when yer done. PM me your address and I'll send it out. Or go visit Ian from YT in your neighborhood and ask to borrow something from him. He recently had his 40 repainted yellow.

Nick

jsaltlick · 10-23-07, 04:09 PM

Does Ian have a screenname on MUD?

I'll prolly take you up on the kick vent. I want to be 100% sure on the mustard before I put anyone through the trouble.
Thanks for the offer!!!!

thecrazygreek · 10-24-07, 11:02 AM

I just purchased a quart of 653 Olive color of this paint.

This stuff really lays down nice, does NOT run, and the color is DEAD ON. I am SOOO happy I found this thread!!! woot!

I used a devilbiss gun, and mineral spirits. Shot VERY nicely with about a 5-1 ratio of thinner.

jsaltlick · 10-24-07, 04:51 PM

Did you just give him the Toyota paint code???!!!! The guy at my ACE store said he couldn't do it off the factory paint codes and needed to scan.

Post pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

zebrabeefj40 · 10-24-07, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsaltlick

Does Ian have a screenname on MUD?

I'll prolly take you up on the kick vent. I want to be 100% sure on the mustard before I put anyone through the trouble.
Thanks for the offer!!!!

landcru79 I think. Randy (82 cruiser) might have a current email for him. You might also check with Tedd at Cruiser Solutions too.

Nick

thecrazygreek · 10-24-07, 11:51 PM

The code for the ACE Rust Stop Paint for OLIVE 653 is

Ingredient | Formula
AXX | 0 18 1
C | 0 25 0
L | 2 16 1

This is how it appears on the side of the can. And no they do not use Auto color codes. I used a color chip and they used the laser spectrometer and created the paint. The color is DEAD ON tho. I sprayed it on next to a area that I shot with Automotive paint at $50.00 a quart using the 653 code. After drying I could not see any color variation. Amazing. And this stuff does not run. Very high solids. I will be shooting clear over it as well.

jsaltlick · 10-25-07, 05:42 AM

Love to see some before and after pics when you're done!

jsaltlick · 10-26-07, 03:29 PM

I ordered custom spray cans of Pumpkin orange today from Tower Paint. Gonna try that out along with the roller method (ACE's Rust Stop) on my M101 before I try it on the 40. Gonna scan and match the Tower spray can color at ACE for the other stuff. Figger I can screw the trailer up a bit and it won't really matter. Trying wet-sanding too.

ManBearPig · 10-29-07, 04:52 PM

I rolled two coats onto my hood today. I thinned it 50/50 and it still went on pretty thick. Looked pretty orange peely especially on the sides, Hopefully it'll level off some when it dries. I predict a lot of wet sanding in my future. Didn't have my camera with me, I'll take some pics later.

Xanatost · 10-29-07, 08:26 PM

I picked mine up on friday and it was a dead on match

Now I just need some time to pull my M101 trailer appart and paint it

thecrazygreek · 10-29-07, 10:07 PM

OK,

I shot my third and fourth coat but I added some "wet look" hardner. HOLY TOLEDO!!! Man it lays down nice.

The hardner I used is fully compatible and shines it up very nicely. heres a pic... May not even need to shoot clear...

Xanatost · 10-30-07, 09:09 AM

Are yall putting a clear coat over your paint? If so why?

jsaltlick · 10-30-07, 12:09 PM

I won't be doing that. The whole reason I want to do the roller is so I can just re-coat and wet-sand any spots that get scraped later on. Clearcoat would be a huge PITA. Think the greek just added some shine to the single stage paint.

ManBearPig · 10-30-07, 05:08 PM

Wet sanding is a PITA when you have orange peel like this.

Here's after a whole lotta sanding with 400, then 600 grit,

Here's right after rolling coat #3, It's a little smoother than the first 2.

The hood is a pain because of the vents, bump in the middle, and the curved parts. Rest of the 40 should go much easier.

jsaltlick · 10-31-07, 07:03 AM

Looks great! Did youdo the sandpaper with just hand or did you have some kind of block? I was trying to think through the vents etc myself.

Maybe thin it out with more mineral spirits for less orange peel?

ManBearPig · 11-02-07, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsaltlick

Looks great! Did youdo the sandpaper with just hand or did you have some kind of block? I was trying to think through the vents etc myself.

Maybe thin it out with more mineral spirits for less orange peel?

I sanded with my hand. Using a block caused me to burn through too easily.

Thinning the mix worked great. A little bit runny, but working the roller as it dried smoothed it out and popped the bubbles.

It looks like one more sanding session, then 1 or 2 more coats, then then the final sanding/polish.

jsaltlick · 11-02-07, 12:47 PM

I'm heading to ACE now to get my pumpkin orange mixed up!!

Update: just got my bucket of paint. Looks perfect. Total for paint and supplies was $69.03.

vtcruiser60 · 11-02-07, 04:41 PM

Is there any thought to why folks are not spraying this product. Is it a lack of access to a gun and compressor? What am I missing?

jsaltlick · 11-02-07, 07:12 PM

I have no access to a compressor and my garage is filled with my wife's crap that will never see the inside of my house but we aren't allowed to throw it out for some reason. I'm not allowed to get paint on the crap we don't need . The roller part keeps it contained and keeps the noxious fumes and paint levels in the air to a minimum.

10-12-07, 05:10 PM	#1
jsaltlick ...put you in an FJ today Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Millis Beach TLCA# 17094 Posts: 1,935	ACE tintable Rustoleum product Went to ACE Hardware today to check out the Rustoleum colors to paint my 40. They had ACE "Rust Stop" brand tintable base quarts that they said they can custom color match anything and it's the same as Rustoleum. The guy said to bring in a paint chip the size of a dime and they can match anything. Has anyone tried the roller method with this stuff? Would it hold up as good as Rustoleum? Is it actually Rustoleum with a different name on it (like most generics?) If so, my 40 will be Toyota mustard yellow by december. __________________ John 1983 VJ47 Crew Cab "The Great Pumpkin" 1992 M-101 Tons of 40 parts for sale <---Link Finally I can get what I've always wanted....a used Toyota.

10-17-07, 07:29 AM	#6
Flinny IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Durham NC Posts: 306	How much are they asking for the gallon? __________________ Maria 1999 TLC - 2" lift - 305-75/16 1997 Toyota Tacoma DD

10-17-07, 11:04 AM	#7
brownbear Mod in Hibernation Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Where diesels purr and turbos whine TLCA# 15584 Posts: 6,147	mineral spirits is the best thinner. Really helps self level. The deeper colours will probably fade. But can be buffed right back up again. I think it's great paint. I used the Tremclad brand on my 60. __________________ -84 BJ60, Finally on the FN road! -91 FJ80, wife's ride Iron Butt award winner of the Cruise Moab 08 !

10-23-07, 04:09 PM	#11
jsaltlick ...put you in an FJ today Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Millis Beach TLCA# 17094 Posts: 1,935	Does Ian have a screenname on MUD? I'll prolly take you up on the kick vent. I want to be 100% sure on the mustard before I put anyone through the trouble. Thanks for the offer!!!! __________________ John 1983 VJ47 Crew Cab "The Great Pumpkin" 1992 M-101 Tons of 40 parts for sale <---Link Finally I can get what I've always wanted....a used Toyota.

10-24-07, 11:02 AM	#12
thecrazygreek IH8MUD Junior Whopper Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 771	I just purchased a quart of 653 Olive color of this paint. This stuff really lays down nice, does NOT run, and the color is DEAD ON. I am SOOO happy I found this thread!!! woot! I used a devilbiss gun, and mineral spirits. Shot VERY nicely with about a 5-1 ratio of thinner. __________________ Yahsoo! 1969 Breathe FJ40 Currently in the middle of a ground up... 1976 Olive FJ40 finished as of May 2008 Faster Track Resto

10-13-07, 06:11 PM	#2
nikos8 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New York City TLCA# 15091 Posts: 430	If it an oil base paint it's pretty much the same as Rustoleum and should roll on the same way. __________________ 1988 FJ62 - 383 LT1 conversion nearing completion!

10-13-07, 07:03 PM	#3
jsaltlick ...put you in an FJ today Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Millis Beach TLCA# 17094 Posts: 1,935	it is the oil base paint. Think a red pigment would hold up?? (great avatar, I have #2 on the way myself) __________________ John 1983 VJ47 Crew Cab "The Great Pumpkin" 1992 M-101 Tons of 40 parts for sale <---Link Finally I can get what I've always wanted....a used Toyota.

10-16-07, 05:54 PM	#4
ManBearPig IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Keller, Tx Posts: 43	Thanks for the tip! I went to Ace today with an ambulance door hinge and now have a gallon of smurf blue. Read the label when I got home and it says not to use it on automobiles, roof, exterior house, and prolonged contact with water. That has me a little worried. But the label also says to use it on machinery and farm equipment so what the fudge? I'll still use it, just want to get a few years out of it untill I can afford a real resto. I'm gonna let the paint sit a few weeks for all the bubbles to dissipate, then I'll attempt to roll my hood.

10-23-07, 04:03 PM	#10
zebrabeefj40 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: southeastern IN TLCA# 7767 Posts: 1,729	Like I posted in the thread in the 40 section: I'll loan you a mustard kick vent if you can give me the mixing "recipe" when yer done. PM me your address and I'll send it out. Or go visit Ian from YT in your neighborhood and ask to borrow something from him. He recently had his 40 repainted yellow. Nick

10-24-07, 04:51 PM	#13
jsaltlick ...put you in an FJ today Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Millis Beach TLCA# 17094 Posts: 1,935	Did you just give him the Toyota paint code???!!!! The guy at my ACE store said he couldn't do it off the factory paint codes and needed to scan. Post pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ John 1983 VJ47 Crew Cab "The Great Pumpkin" 1992 M-101 Tons of 40 parts for sale <---Link Finally I can get what I've always wanted....a used Toyota.

10-24-07, 11:51 PM	#15
thecrazygreek IH8MUD Junior Whopper Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 771	The code for the ACE Rust Stop Paint for OLIVE 653 is Ingredient \| Formula AXX \| 0 18 1 C \| 0 25 0 L \| 2 16 1 This is how it appears on the side of the can. And no they do not use Auto color codes. I used a color chip and they used the laser spectrometer and created the paint. The color is DEAD ON tho. I sprayed it on next to a area that I shot with Automotive paint at $50.00 a quart using the 653 code. After drying I could not see any color variation. Amazing. And this stuff does not run. Very high solids. I will be shooting clear over it as well. Attached Images __________________ Yahsoo! 1969 Breathe FJ40 Currently in the middle of a ground up... 1976 Olive FJ40 finished as of May 2008 Faster Track Resto Last edited by thecrazygreek; 10-25-07 at 12:21 AM.

10-25-07, 05:42 AM	#16
jsaltlick ...put you in an FJ today Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Millis Beach TLCA# 17094 Posts: 1,935	Love to see some before and after pics when you're done! __________________ John 1983 VJ47 Crew Cab "The Great Pumpkin" 1992 M-101 Tons of 40 parts for sale <---Link Finally I can get what I've always wanted....a used Toyota.

10-26-07, 03:29 PM	#17
jsaltlick ...put you in an FJ today Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Millis Beach TLCA# 17094 Posts: 1,935	I ordered custom spray cans of Pumpkin orange today from Tower Paint. Gonna try that out along with the roller method (ACE's Rust Stop) on my M101 before I try it on the 40. Gonna scan and match the Tower spray can color at ACE for the other stuff. Figger I can screw the trailer up a bit and it won't really matter. Trying wet-sanding too. __________________ John 1983 VJ47 Crew Cab "The Great Pumpkin" 1992 M-101 Tons of 40 parts for sale <---Link Finally I can get what I've always wanted....a used Toyota.

10-29-07, 04:52 PM	#18
ManBearPig IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Keller, Tx Posts: 43	I rolled two coats onto my hood today. I thinned it 50/50 and it still went on pretty thick. Looked pretty orange peely especially on the sides, Hopefully it'll level off some when it dries. I predict a lot of wet sanding in my future. Didn't have my camera with me, I'll take some pics later.

10-29-07, 08:26 PM	#19
Xanatost IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 66	I picked mine up on friday and it was a dead on match Now I just need some time to pull my M101 trailer appart and paint it

10-29-07, 10:07 PM	#20
thecrazygreek IH8MUD Junior Whopper Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 771	OK, I shot my third and fourth coat but I added some "wet look" hardner. HOLY TOLEDO!!! Man it lays down nice. The hardner I used is fully compatible and shines it up very nicely. heres a pic... May not even need to shoot clear... Attached Images __________________ Yahsoo! 1969 Breathe FJ40 Currently in the middle of a ground up... 1976 Olive FJ40 finished as of May 2008 Faster Track Resto

10-30-07, 09:09 AM	#21
Xanatost IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 66	Are yall putting a clear coat over your paint? If so why?

10-30-07, 12:09 PM	#22
jsaltlick ...put you in an FJ today Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Millis Beach TLCA# 17094 Posts: 1,935	I won't be doing that. The whole reason I want to do the roller is so I can just re-coat and wet-sand any spots that get scraped later on. Clearcoat would be a huge PITA. Think the greek just added some shine to the single stage paint. __________________ John 1983 VJ47 Crew Cab "The Great Pumpkin" 1992 M-101 Tons of 40 parts for sale <---Link Finally I can get what I've always wanted....a used Toyota.

10-30-07, 05:08 PM	#23
ManBearPig IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Keller, Tx Posts: 43	Wet sanding is a PITA when you have orange peel like this. Here's after a whole lotta sanding with 400, then 600 grit, Here's right after rolling coat #3, It's a little smoother than the first 2. The hood is a pain because of the vents, bump in the middle, and the curved parts. Rest of the 40 should go much easier.

10-31-07, 07:03 AM	#24
jsaltlick ...put you in an FJ today Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Millis Beach TLCA# 17094 Posts: 1,935	Looks great! Did youdo the sandpaper with just hand or did you have some kind of block? I was trying to think through the vents etc myself. Maybe thin it out with more mineral spirits for less orange peel? __________________ John 1983 VJ47 Crew Cab "The Great Pumpkin" 1992 M-101 Tons of 40 parts for sale <---Link Finally I can get what I've always wanted....a used Toyota.

11-02-07, 12:47 PM	#26
jsaltlick ...put you in an FJ today Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Millis Beach TLCA# 17094 Posts: 1,935	I'm heading to ACE now to get my pumpkin orange mixed up!! Update: just got my bucket of paint. Looks perfect. Total for paint and supplies was $69.03. __________________ John 1983 VJ47 Crew Cab "The Great Pumpkin" 1992 M-101 Tons of 40 parts for sale <---Link Finally I can get what I've always wanted....a used Toyota. Last edited by jsaltlick; 11-02-07 at 04:22 PM.

11-02-07, 04:41 PM	#27
vtcruiser60 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 TLCA# 15129 Posts: 1,327	Is there any thought to why folks are not spraying this product. Is it a lack of access to a gun and compressor? What am I missing?

11-02-07, 07:12 PM	#28
jsaltlick ...put you in an FJ today Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Millis Beach TLCA# 17094 Posts: 1,935	I have no access to a compressor and my garage is filled with my wife's crap that will never see the inside of my house but we aren't allowed to throw it out for some reason. I'm not allowed to get paint on the crap we don't need . The roller part keeps it contained and keeps the noxious fumes and paint levels in the air to a minimum. __________________ John 1983 VJ47 Crew Cab "The Great Pumpkin" 1992 M-101 Tons of 40 parts for sale <---Link Finally I can get what I've always wanted....a used Toyota.