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[chicago]

Got my tranny to 203 adapter the other day...Went out to get it mocked up...the shaft was TOO LONG!
The 203 input bottoms out on the splines on the tranny, sooooo....gotta get a new output.

FAWK!

[slvrbck]

I saw your troubles in the 60 forum. You got a line on a new one yet???

[chicago]

Originally Posted by slvrbck

I saw your troubles in the 60 forum. You got a line on a new one yet???

not yet...I put a call in to Jim at Downey, but they were CLOSED!
He said that they might have one layin around. Not sure if the 700R shaft is what needs to be swapped or not.
Gotta find a tranny guy that wont kill me in price to do this.
AA has em too, but Downey ive found to be a bit cheaper overall, plus Jim posts here which gives him extra points from me.

K

[slvrbck]

Yeah, I have talked to Downey a few times here on MUD, he seems to be good peeps. I've seen some people not happy with a product of his, or something of that nature and he tries to fix it and keep the customer happy.

[locrwln1]

This might be a dumb question, but can't you just cut the shaft? I know there are kits that do that with the NP231 when you do a "short shaft" kit. How much spline engagement does the 203 need? Axle shafts, t-case shafts and I'm sure most any other kind of splined shaft has been cut since they were first used. Now if the spline cut on the shaft doesn't got far enough back into the trans to allow the 203 to seat flush, then you are screwed.

Just a thought.

Jack

[krokarthecrooked]

Yea i was thinkin the same thing cut 1 and 1/4 inches off the shaft and touch it up with a grinder then you should be good to go not sure if that how much you need to take but from what i seen of the pics that would be right just my 2 cents. what ever the lenght you need to cut you need to add about an 1/8 to a 1/4 inch to it just to make sure you have a little play room bud



Dan

[chicago]

Originally Posted by locrwln1

This might be a dumb question, but can't you just cut the shaft? I know there are kits that do that with the NP231 when you do a "short shaft" kit. How much spline engagement does the 203 need? Axle shafts, t-case shafts and I'm sure most any other kind of splined shaft has been cut since they were first used. Now if the spline cut on the shaft doesn't got far enough back into the trans to allow the 203 to seat flush, then you are screwed.

Just a thought.

Jack

Thanks Jack,
Im thinking Im basically SUNK with trying to cut the shaft...The input on the 203 (that collar deal) is bottoming out at the base of the splines on the tranny shaft. Ill double check it, but Im reasonably certain that I just dont have the spline length. Ive read that people have machined the input, but never the amount that I need to go with it. Conversely, Ive also read of people cutting the shaft, however, Im getting the impression that Im just not that luck for that this time around.

K

[chicago]

Originally Posted by krokarthecrooked

Yea i was thinkin the same thing cut 1 and 1/4 inches off the shaft and touch it up with a grinder then you should be good to go not sure if that how much you need to take but from what i seen of the pics that would be right just my 2 cents. what ever the lenght you need to cut you need to add about an 1/8 to a 1/4 inch to it just to make sure you have a little play room bud



Dan

Thanks Dan!
Thanks for the call as well. I appreciate the time and thought on the topic!
Ill be posting up what I do though.
Have a safe trip down to cali.

K

[chicago]

So I went down to trans craft over by Costco to get an estimate and it was one of those deals..."well, while youre in there..." New HD sun gear (which Ive read about) and something with the valve body...one of the valves wearing out with the late model trannies and some american COMFORT SHIFT BS!
Long story short...all work said and done 320.00 for labor, and 242.00 in parts, NOT including the cost of the new shaft to be swapped. Seems a bit high...Then again, Im a cheap fawker anyway.

Ill have to check around a bit.
I swear I should just take up a heroine addiction or something.

K

[locrwln1]

Originally Posted by chicago

Thanks Jack,
Im thinking Im basically SUNK with trying to cut the shaft...The input on the 203 (that collar deal) is bottoming out at the base of the splines on the tranny shaft. Ill double check it, but Im reasonably certain that I just dont have the spline length. Ive read that people have machined the input, but never the amount that I need to go with it. Conversely, Ive also read of people cutting the shaft, however, Im getting the impression that Im just not that luck for that this time around.

K

Nice, it seems you have the same kind of luck I do. If there is a more expensive or harder way to do something, then I will have to do it. Sorry.

Originally Posted by chicago

So I went down to trans craft over by Costco to get an estimate and it was one of those deals..."well, while youre in there..." New HD sun gear (which Ive read about) and something with the valve body...one of the valves wearing out with the late model trannies and some american COMFORT SHIFT BS!
Long story short...all work said and done 320.00 for labor, and 242.00 in parts, NOT including the cost of the new shaft to be swapped. Seems a bit high...Then again, Im a cheap fawker anyway.

Ill have to check around a bit.
I swear I should just take up a heroine addiction or something.

K

That actually doesn't seem like too bad of a price. Basically from what I have heard and seen, you are looking at anywhere from $1500-2500 to rebuild a 700r4/4l60e.

Good luck.

Jack

[chicago]

SOOOO, I went out and checked it again...
Its NOT bottoming out on the splines. I didnt check the depth inside of the 203 and its only 2 in. In theory, I could conceivably cut the required 1.5 in OFF of the shaft, but that would only leave me 1 in of spline. Beyond the splines on the tranny, there is 1 in of basically nothing till it tapers out, so I actually COULD do this.
Should I?
1 in of splines isnt a whole lot. I could maybe squeeze 1.25 if I had the cone on the 203 machined...
What do you think?

It seems kinda risky, but...

K

[slvrbck]

Seems kinda slim to me bro! It's hard to decide these things sometimes.....but is cheaper and easier the way you really want to go when you on the trail and those splines bomb on you????

Don't get me wrong, I like to slide my pennies when I can, but sometimes you gotta go with the $$

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

I've got a makita cold saw that would cut right through that and the end product wouldn't even need to be touched up afterwards.

[locrwln1]

Originally Posted by slvrbck

Seems kinda slim to me bro! It's hard to decide these things sometimes.....but is cheaper and easier the way you really want to go when you on the trail and those splines bomb on you????

Don't get me wrong, I like to slide my pennies when I can, but sometimes you gotta go with the $$

I gotta agree here, sorry.

Jack

[chicago]

Originally Posted by locrwln1

I gotta agree here, sorry.

Jack

Nope!
Totally agree with both of you.
Itd be a rippin shame to do all this, cut corners in the process and be really frickin sorry in the end. Do it right or not at all.
My goal is to have everything and begin the transplant next fall, so I have some time to keep amassing the parts necessary, but this was an unplanned expense...SURPRISE...cruiser mod with an unplanned expense...DUH..

I contacted OrangeFJ45 to see what he thought of the price quoted since he worked in the transmission industry and does this crap full time...He said the labor hours were right, but the parts Im getting hosed on. Actually, by double the price. So Im gonna check to see if he will allow me to get my own parts. I doubt it, but it doesnt hurt to ask. However, he is gonna install a shaft that I bring in to him...

K

[spressomon]

Originally Posted by chicago

SOOOO, I went out and checked it again...
Its NOT bottoming out on the splines. I didnt check the depth inside of the 203 and its only 2 in. In theory, I could conceivably cut the required 1.5 in OFF of the shaft, but that would only leave me 1 in of spline. Beyond the splines on the tranny, there is 1 in of basically nothing till it tapers out, so I actually COULD do this.
Should I?
1 in of splines isnt a whole lot. I could maybe squeeze 1.25 if I had the cone on the 203 machined...
What do you think?

It seems kinda risky, but...

K

Not knowing anything about the two parts you are trying to connect...but how long is the spline "receiver"? If it only is a 1" mate than I'd say cut it. However if the mating "receiver" is longer in terms of spline length I'd say you'd want to do it right the first time.

Aren't these swaps/installs done all the time? I wonder why they would sell you the adapter without an "FYI". Or is it just more of the 4x4 aftermarket company BS we all seem to deal with on one level or another?

[chicago]

Originally Posted by spressomon

Not knowing anything about the two parts you are trying to connect...but how long is the spline "receiver"? If it only is a 1" mate than I'd say cut it. However if the mating "receiver" is longer in terms of spline length I'd say you'd want to do it right the first time.

Aren't these swaps/installs done all the time? I wonder why they would sell you the adapter without an "FYI". Or is it just more of the 4x4 aftermarket company BS we all seem to deal with on one level or another?

Spresso...
The input for the splines are 2 in, so cutting the shaft will yield only 1 in of actual spline contact.
As far as the swaps are concerned...well, theyre getting to be MORE common especially for those doing V8 swaps with automatics. From what I gather, the out put shafts ARE the determining factor as to how easily and how cheap this particular swap can be done for. If I had gone with a 700R tranny, I think that my life would have been much easier as then, all I would have had to do was cut the shaft. Since my tranny is a late(R) model transmission Im trading off ease for modern technology and perfomance.
I knew about the potential for this event, but I was hoping that I could avoid it. As it turns out, I would still pretty much NEED to do the upgrades to the tranny either way to ensure longevity/ strength, so....really, all Im out is the cost of the shaft. I just didnt figure it to begin with. Only AFTER the fact (after I did some research on what the tranny guy said) did I realize this.

K

[spressomon]

Originally Posted by chicago

Spresso...
The input for the splines are 2 in, so cutting the shaft will yield only 1 in of actual spline contact.
As far as the swaps are concerned...well, theyre getting to be MORE common especially for those doing V8 swaps with automatics. From what I gather, the out put shafts ARE the determining factor as to how easily and how cheap this particular swap can be done for. If I had gone with a 700R tranny, I think that my life would have been much easier as then, all I would have had to do was cut the shaft. Since my tranny is a late(R) model transmission Im trading off ease for modern technology and perfomance.
I knew about the potential for this event, but I was hoping that I could avoid it. As it turns out, I would still pretty much NEED to do the upgrades to the tranny either way to ensure longevity/ strength, so....really, all Im out is the cost of the shaft. I just didnt figure it to begin with. Only AFTER the fact (after I did some research on what the tranny guy said) did I realize this.

K

AhHa! The "C" word. No not THAT "C" word...the other one: "Custom". Yeah I know the pitfalls of this "C" word too! Kinda makes me not want to go there again .

[rusty_tlc]

Originally Posted by spressomon

AhHa! The "C" word. No not THAT "C" word...the other one: "Custom". Yeah I know the pitfalls of this "C" word too! Kinda makes me not want to go there again .

There's CUSTOM and there's custom.
My FJ40 has a modified output shaft on the transmission because of the toy box. It's not common but it's not unheard of among FJ40's, I call that custom.


Fox by pass shock suspension that is unique on the planet is what I call CUSTOM.

[slvrbck]

Originally Posted by spressomon

AhHa! The "C" word. No not THAT "C" word...the other one: "Custom". Yeah I know the pitfalls of this "C" word too! Kinda makes me not want to go there again .

I know what you mean. A ton of guys on Pirate are trying to tell me to cut down the full widths and what not......but hey, I don't have a steady supply of cash stacked up. If I did, I would buy 6 grand dynatracs and be done with it. Custom shafts start adding up!!

[spressomon]

Originally Posted by rusty_tlc

There's CUSTOM and there's custom.
My FJ40 has a modified output shaft on the transmission because of the toy box. It's not common but it's not unheard of among FJ40's, I call that custom.


Fox by pass shock suspension that is unique on the planet is what I call CUSTOM.

Exactly! Why is it, generally, when I am in control of the customizing process ("homebrew") things tend to come out closer (notice I said "closer") to the original budget forecast and timeline. But then the professionals, who purportedly are experienced in CUSTOM work, estimates/bids and timelines, tend not to be so accurate with either?!

[rusty_tlc]

Originally Posted by spressomon

Exactly! Why is it, generally, when I am in control of the customizing process ("homebrew") things tend to come out closer (notice I said "closer") to the original budget forecast and timeline. But then the professionals, who purportedly are experienced in CUSTOM work, estimates/bids and timelines, tend not to be so accurate with either?!

They are professionals, at what they do not project or time management.

[spressomon]

Originally Posted by rusty_tlc

They are professionals, at what they do not project or time management.

It might be nice to be in an industry/occupation where one could throw those two aspects of customer service to the wind. But it certainly isn't the one I'm in now!

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

Ahh...Yes, I am still burnt from the Custom aspect of my 04 Unlimited. Which is why most everything on the 80 is factory. May not be factory from this country, but it's factory.

Of course there is the custom piston size that gave me nothing but headaches on the 80. I don't think we'll ever learn.

[locrwln1]

Originally Posted by 24HOURSOFNEVADA

I don't think we'll ever learn.

Ain't that the truth.

Jack

[spressomon]

Originally Posted by locrwln1

Ain't that the truth.

Jack

No shyte! The plans for more custom mods just keep getting dreamed up! Isn't that the very definition of "insanity"?! Expecting different results from the same processes?

Guess that makes me...

[rusty_tlc]

Admit it we love the creative process as much as the wheelin.

Once you embrace the truth life gets easier.

[chicago]

Well, I piss and moan about the costs and such. I COULD just go ahead and find another 3FE with lower mileage, do the H55 swap, and throw a Marlin box behind it with my 19 spline, but in the end...
Im as excited as a virgin in a whore house to do this custom swap.
However, this whole thing is bigger that just the Cuiser, the wheeling and the performance.
When all is said and done, you cant take the money with you when you die, and life (IMO) is about the experience. Im pursuing a quest of sorts. I want to see what I and my rig can do together. I started with an old rusty rig that wasnt worth what I paid for it and I had basically NO mechanical abilites what so ever to speak of. Ive taken those two BLANK canvases and made what I wanted out of both.
When I get old and senile and start babling on in a daze, I can talk about the rig that I built, the places we went with it, the things I had done with it and the people that I shared it with.
However, unlike espresso Dan...mine is just a weenie custom job, and NOT a CUSTOM job. These swaps are rather common and there is information on it, so I have that advantage in my corner. SpressoDan is pioneering his mods. Which is pretty damn cool!

[spressomon]

Originally Posted by chicago

Well, I piss and moan about the costs and such. I COULD just go ahead and find another 3FE with lower mileage, do the H55 swap, and throw a Marlin box behind it with my 19 spline, but in the end...
Im as excited as a virgin in a whore house to do this custom swap.
However, this whole thing is bigger that just the Cuiser, the wheeling and the performance.
When all is said and done, you cant take the money with you when you die, and life (IMO) is about the experience. Im pursuing a quest of sorts. I want to see what I and my rig can do together. I started with an old rusty rig that wasnt worth what I paid for it and I had basically NO mechanical abilites what so ever to speak of. Ive taken those two BLANK canvases and made what I wanted out of both.
When I get old and senile and start babling on in a daze, I can talk about the rig that I built, the places we went with it, the things I had done with it and the people that I shared it with.
However, unlike espresso Dan...mine is just a weenie custom job, and NOT a CUSTOM job. These swaps are rather common and there is information on it, so I have that advantage in my corner. SpressoDan is pioneering his mods. Which is pretty damn cool!

Wanna help me SAS the hundy?

[rusty_tlc]

Originally Posted by spressomon

Wanna help me SAS the hundy?

First we need to sources a 105 front clip.