V8 Time!

[locrwln1]

Originally Posted by chicago

See, this is what is confusing me right now...
I was of the impression that a 2nd t case would go behind my 19 spline split case.
However, I was reading through the AA literature book, and I dont see ANY gearing options for the stock split case I have? The orion, and the rock box are both set to go with a 16 spline 60 series split t case.
Im a little confused about this. So, would you use a reduction box (like Rusty TLC has in lieu of the stock transfer case, or run it WITH the stock t case.
As far as the Marlin box goes, ive heard that they do not hold up well behind a V8...That is mud board "hear say" though.
This is a hang up for me, cuz I DO want the gearing options, as you stated above.
BTW, I swung by reno auto wreckers...1100.00 for a 5.3 with ECU and wiring, and 1350.00 for a 5.7. They said to figure around 700.00 for a tranny.
Jack, if you wouldnt mind, could you PM me your number? I might need some help and if its ok with you, Id like to contact you about some of this stuff.

K

The way "crawler boxes" work are they go between the tranny and t-case. The issue is, that you have to find a box that will hold up to a v8 and allow your t-case of choice to bolt up the crawler box.

Originally Posted by chicago

I went back and re read Jack post above...
So if you run just the 4:1 box by itself youd be limited to that. But if you were to run the 4:1 and the stock t case you have the taller gears for crawling, and shorter gears for just...easy wheeling where you can cruise along at higher speeds...right?
Its emberrassing how little I know about the gearing.

I feel so ashamed!

K

Exactly. A 2ish low range works great for most wheeling. It just falls short for rockcrawling. That is where deeper gears shine. Now if you combine that stockish low range with a 4ish range, you can really slow everything down.

Jack

P.S. PM Sent.

[chicago]

Thanks Jack!
Ill be calling you regarding this!

I do have one more question...
You had mentioned at one of the meetings that youd do a SBC with with TBI, vs the vortec.
Are you still of that opinion?
Having been pricing the vortecs and the SBC with TBI's....the SBCs are MUCH cheaper.
However, I dont wanna do one motor, and wish I had done another.
Do you get where Im going with this?

My cheap ass is thinking alterantely.

However, If the Vortec is the BETTER option long term...I will do whats best.

What do you think?

K

[rusty_tlc]

If you want a visual on how crawl boxes are set up you can come look at my rig anytime.

When looking for a motor keep in mind the DMV wants you to use the same year or newer engine when you do a swap. And they want all the smog devices in place. How they police this I don't know, Shawn may have some insight into that since he has done two V8 transplants.

[chicago]

Originally Posted by rusty_tlc

If you want a visual on how crawl boxes are set up you can come look at my rig anytime.

When looking for a motor keep in mind the DMV wants you to use the same year or newer engine when you do a swap. And they want all the smog devices in place. How they police this I don't know, Shawn may have some insight into that since he has done two V8 transplants.

I was gonna swing by yesterday, but I didnt have my phone with me, and I didnt want to drop in un announced...
Im planning on doing this as eco conscience as possible, but Im registered in Carson so I dont have to smog YET!

Id love to hear more from Shawn on this....

K

[rusty_tlc]

Originally Posted by chicago

I was gonna swing by yesterday, but I didnt have my phone with me, and I didnt want to drop in un announced...
Im planning on doing this as eco conscience as possible, but Im registered in Carson so I dont have to smog YET!

Id love to hear more from Shawn on this....

K

We were at Mom's.

[locrwln1]

Ok Keith, I found a post on Pirate that was talking about whether to use a 700r4 vs. 4l60e behind a LSx motor. There are some other differences that I was not aware of.

700R4 to LS1 - Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board

Jack

[chicago]

Im starting to get a clearer picture as to what I want and need to do.
I started a thread in the 60's board and got some GREAT info there. I even got a little side tracked by investigating KEEPING the 3FE and swapping in a manual, but the cost to rebuild the 3FE is RIDICULUS for the master kit, and swapping in a USED 4 speed with a marlin box isnt cheap either...
When all was said and done, Id actually be saving a bit doing the V8 with a crawl box...
So, Im gonna buy components as they come up and as I can afford them.
It may take couple of years to amass all that is needed, but...
that is my goal from here.

Thanks for the link Jack!

K

[CaliCruiser]

Not to irritate you about the possibility of a manual, but you can have my h42 for free for the conversion. I had no idea that those master kits were so expen$ive!

Dylan

[chicago]

Originally Posted by CaliCruiser

Not to irritate you about the possibility of a manual, but you can have my h42 for free for the conversion. I had no idea that those master kits were so expen$ive!

Dylan

Thanks D!
I appreciate the offer, but Im gonna stick with the auto. Thus far its worked very well and the rig is set up for it. Plus, going manual with the vortec tacks on a bunch more money to the swap.
I too had no idea that the rebuild kits would be that much. That is nearly 3X the amount for the cost of a master kit for an SBC...
BRUTAL!
If the motor had less miles and was a little more PERKY, Id probably do the manual conversion and gears and wait on the V8.

When are you wheel-able again?

K

[Bbumbl40]

Did hear a smog question? If you ask three different people, you'll get three different answers. I went the simplest way I could. Look for the SMOG sticker in your engine bay. It'll list all the pieces that are required, like: EGR, charcoal canister, cat., air injection, fuel vapor return and etc. Make sure you collect all these pieces from your doner vehicle or collect them up before you start. Having it all at the start makes it easier to plan out the layout of the engine bay.

[locrwln1]

Keith,

How did your PNP 203 hunt go? Any luck?

By the way, I found a post on Pirate in the Vendor section. Possible discount on some of the adapters and other swap needs you might have/need.

Advance Adapter Blow Out Sale!!!! - Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board

Jack

[chicago]

Originally Posted by locrwln1

Keith,

How did your PNP 203 hunt go? Any luck?

By the way, I found a post on Pirate in the Vendor section. Possible discount on some of the adapters and other swap needs you might have/need.

Advance Adapter Blow Out Sale!!!! - Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board

Jack

It was NOT my lucky day at the PnP...
There was a 60 series there that was basically picked CLEAN, but I did manage to find the elusive washer cap that Ive been hap hazzardly looking for. Mines been missing since Ive owned the rig, so I considered that a GREAT find.
As far as the 203...quite honestly...I donno WHAT THE HELL IM LOOKING AT!
I dug around under a couple rigs that fit the bill we were talking about, but I didnt want to make any hasty moves, spend all day pulling something and run the risk of pissing off the wife and have it be the wrong unit. Ya know.

Did you end up going? Darcie mentioned something about you two heading out.

Thanks for asking, and thanks for the info earlier.

K

[locrwln1]

Originally Posted by chicago

It was NOT my lucky day at the PnP...
There was a 60 series there that was basically picked CLEAN, but I did manage to find the elusive washer cap that Ive been hap hazzardly looking for. Mines been missing since Ive owned the rig, so I considered that a GREAT find.
As far as the 203...quite honestly...I donno WHAT THE HELL IM LOOKING AT!
I dug around under a couple rigs that fit the bill we were talking about, but I didnt want to make any hasty moves, spend all day pulling something and run the risk of pissing off the wife and have it be the wrong unit. Ya know.

Did you end up going? Darcie mentioned something about you two heading out.

Thanks for asking, and thanks for the info earlier.

K

Sorry to hear that. Sometimes the Carson City PNP has a much better selection. Their vehicles don't seem to be picked over quite as bad.

Here is a quick guide that I located. I will look around to see if I can find one with better pics.

Offroad Design - Fullsize 4x4 Performance

We didn't, I don't really need anything from PNP right now, plus I was busy with my trip preparation.

No problem, I have a ton of that kind of crap running around in my head, too bad I can't get rich with it.

Jack

[chicago]

Originally Posted by locrwln1

Sorry to hear that. Sometimes the Carson City PNP has a much better selection. Their vehicles don't seem to be picked over quite as bad.

Here is a quick guide that I located. I will look around to see if I can find one with better pics.

Offroad Design - Fullsize 4x4 Performance

We didn't, I don't really need anything from PNP right now, plus I was busy with my trip preparation.

No problem, I have a ton of that kind of crap running around in my head, too bad I can't get rich with it.

Jack

HA HA!
Right after I finished the above post, I googled NP203 and found the link you poted...
Sure enough, I was looking right at, at least TWO of them, and one of them was half way out!
I found a guy on CL who was trying to sell one from a 75 blazer for a 100 bucks...For some reason, everytime I try to contact folks from CL, I never get a response...I donno what that is all about.
BTW, I WAS at the carson PnP...their stock was DECIMATED!

K

[chicago]

Hey Jack,
What do you think about this? He wants 250.00 for a 5.7 complete with a dead cylinder?
A rebuild kit form Summit is around 400.00. Is it worth re building, or should I keep looking?
What OTHER cost should I consider in doing an engine rebuild?
My dad and I did a rebuild LOOOONG ago, so I dont really remember all the details.

Vortec 350

Thanks,

Keith

[locrwln1]

Originally Posted by chicago

Hey Jack,
What do you think about this? He wants 250.00 for a 5.7 complete with a dead cylinder?
A rebuild kit form Summit is around 400.00. Is it worth re building, or should I keep looking?
What OTHER cost should I consider in doing an engine rebuild?
My dad and I did a rebuild LOOOONG ago, so I dont really remember all the details.

Vortec 350

Thanks,

Keith

Price sounds good, but I would be concerned about whether the block is damaged beyond repair. Also you might want to call a few machine shops and find out how much they charge to do a rebuild, both on a short block (lower end) and long block (lower end and heads).

Jack

[chicago]

Originally Posted by locrwln1

Price sounds good, but I would be concerned about whether the block is damaged beyond repair. Also you might want to call a few machine shops and find out how much they charge to do a rebuild, both on a short block (lower end) and long block (lower end and heads).

Jack

Gotcha...
I was thinking about that too!

K

[locrwln1]

Originally Posted by chicago

Gotcha...
I was thinking about that too!

K

The good news is that a lot of "projects" are coming up for sale. Good time to be a buyer.

Jack

[CaliCruiser]

Are you using the 700r4 or 4l60E? That should be a sweet setup with the 2:1 range box.

Dylan

[chicago]

Originally Posted by CaliCruiser

Are you using the 700r4 or 4l60E? That should be a sweet setup with the 2:1 range box.

Dylan

Im gonna go with the 4L60E to the NP203 then to the split case. The adapters are KILLER!

Hows the toybox install coming?

K

[chicago]

I got my 203!
100 bucks and already re built.
Its from a mid 70's chevy 4x4.
I picked it up today before work!
That s a HEAVY bastard.

Small steps and Im on my way little by little

K

[CaliCruiser]

Originally Posted by chicago

I got my 203!
100 bucks and already re built.
Its from a mid 70's chevy 4x4.
I picked it up today before work!
That s a HEAVY bastard.

Small steps and Im on my way little by little

K

Nice, I seriously considered doing the 203 because it is a tough crawl box. The toybox install is not going that well, it is taking more time than I thought it would down at Marlin's shop. Anyone from BBCNN doing Rubithon?

Dylan

[locrwln1]

Originally Posted by chicago

I got my 203!
100 bucks and already re built.
Its from a mid 70's chevy 4x4.
I picked it up today before work!
That s a HEAVY bastard.

Small steps and Im on my way little by little

K

Congrats. That is the way to get it and it sounds like a good deal.

They are pretty much the heaviest t-case used in anything 1-ton and less. Once you pull the rear portion off then it won't be so bad. The rear half has the chain and differential in it so that is a huge part of the weight, not to mention the case itself.

Jack

[chicago]

Originally Posted by CaliCruiser

Nice, I seriously considered doing the 203 because it is a tough crawl box. The toybox install is not going that well, it is taking more time than I thought it would down at Marlin's shop. Anyone from BBCNN doing Rubithon?

Dylan

Big D,
Whats going on with the install?
Are you not doing it yourself?

K

[CaliCruiser]

I started to do it, but putting the toybox behind the h55f proved to be tougher than I thought. I contacted Marlin and worked out a deal for him to put it together for me. He hooked it up!!! It turns out that there were still things that needed to be tweaked in the design phase and it wasn't 100% correct. It is all good now, and I am rushing to get it installed before Rubithon. . .

Dylan

[chicago]

Originally Posted by CaliCruiser

I started to do it, but putting the toybox behind the h55f proved to be tougher than I thought. I contacted Marlin and worked out a deal for him to put it together for me. He hooked it up!!! It turns out that there were still things that needed to be tweaked in the design phase and it wasn't 100% correct. It is all good now, and I am rushing to get it installed before Rubithon. . .

Dylan

When are you wheel-able?
Lets go do something!

Id love to do Rubithon one day...

K

[CaliCruiser]

Dude I have been staring at my transmission-less and transfercase-less 60 for far to long. It is going to be difficult to get it finished before the Rubithon, but this semester is finally over so I will have some time to throw at it. I still need to build a cross member, build twin sticks, redo drivelines, and clearance the front crossmember, blah blah blah. How is the V8 hunting going?

Dylan

[spressomon]

Originally Posted by CaliCruiser

Dude I have been staring at my transmission-less and transfercase-less 60 for far to long. It is going to be difficult to get it finished before the Rubithon, but this semester is finally over so I will have some time to throw at it. I still need to build a cross member, build twin sticks, redo drivelines, and clearance the front crossmember, blah blah blah. How is the V8 hunting going?

Dylan

We all need 2-rigs...for when one is down being modded .

On another note: What is your major?

[CaliCruiser]

mechanical engineering

[chicago]

Originally Posted by CaliCruiser

Dude I have been staring at my transmission-less and transfercase-less 60 for far to long. It is going to be difficult to get it finished before the Rubithon, but this semester is finally over so I will have some time to throw at it. I still need to build a cross member, build twin sticks, redo drivelines, and clearance the front crossmember, blah blah blah. How is the V8 hunting going?

Dylan

Ill come down and help if you need!
I was of the impression that you were closer to the end and the tranny was installed and all that was left was the toy box install...
Im waiting to hear back on a 5.3 vortec...its a steal, but someone else called first, so he has first dibs and is going to check it out tonight.
Its got 20K on it and the guy wants 700 for it and its complete minus the wiring and ECU....I was BUMMED when he said there was someone ahead of me in line, so Im not keeping my hopes up.

K