November Monthly Meeting 11/14 High Point - Page 2

addicted56 · 11-02-09, 04:53 PM

When you all rebuild your front ends do you pull the knuckles as well? Is anyone replacing the Trunion Bearings (Ball Joints) and the wheel bearings and seals?

Just wondering. Mine need to be done. I just did my F-250 and it was a pain. Would love to do watch these done once as they look a lot different.

southerncruiser62 · 11-02-09, 05:03 PM

Jason, yes all that is involved in a axle rebuild. Can't truly replace the trunion bearings and races without pulling the knuckle.

addicted56 · 11-02-09, 07:21 PM

Cool beans. Looks like I know what I'll be tackling the week after the highpoint meeting when I take some notes. I think that and bad panhard bushings is causing my death wobble.

southerncruiser62 · 11-02-09, 08:01 PM

make sure it isn't your caster bushings that are worn out, on a previous vehicle I had this problem and it related to inadequate control arms and worn out bushings. With that truck being wheeled like it has I would be surprised if that is contributing to it.

S4Cruiser · 11-02-09, 08:19 PM

Jason - sounds like you just need to start a plan to replace everything from the bushings to rebuilding the front end. It should 'hopefully' get rid of the wobble and get you a head start on PM.

Once you replace those bushings then they shouldn't need replacing as long as you own the truck.

strong_toy · 11-02-09, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesean76

yeah, i got the disposables, any recomendations on extra hardware?

If possible, I would recommend a spare inner axle seal and spare inner wheel bearing seal. Both of those are press fit and if anything happens during assembly (bent, spring comes loose, etc.) it is handy to have a spare. Most of the nuts, bolts, studs, etc. in the job are fairly durable, so there shouldn't be a need for any spares, unless they are missing or broken somehow. I would recommend cleaning the area around the knuckles beforehand with a degreaser to get rid of dried grease, dirt, mud, etc.

Having just said that, are you planning on rebuilding the axle on your truck with the front end damage? If that is the case you might want to degrease everything and take a look for any possible damaged nuts, bolts, etc., or anything loose. Just a thought.

GarnerFJ40 · 11-03-09, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by strong_toy

If possible, I would recommend a spare inner axle seal and spare inner wheel bearing seal. Both of those are press fit and if anything happens during assembly (bent, spring comes loose, etc.) it is handy to have a spare. Most of the nuts, bolts, studs, etc. in the job are fairly durable, so there shouldn't be a need for any spares, unless they are missing or broken somehow. I would recommend cleaning the area around the knuckles beforehand with a degreaser to get rid of dried grease, dirt, mud, etc.

Having just said that, are you planning on rebuilding the axle on your truck with the front end damage? If that is the case you might want to degrease everything and take a look for any possible damaged nuts, bolts, etc., or anything loose. Just a thought.

I should have extra inner axle seals, since I purchased the marlins...

lt1fire · 11-03-09, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by southerncruiser62

make sure it isn't your caster bushings that are worn out, on a previous vehicle I had this problem and it related to inadequate control arms and worn out bushings. With that truck being wheeled like it has I would be surprised if that is contributing to it.

x2 on this Jason but a bad panhard bushing can also be the culprit. I'm still chasing mine down as I get more $$ I replace more things. I'm in the process of collecting front control arm bushings.
To make it go away temporarily set the toe out a little more than it should be.

addicted56 · 11-03-09, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by lt1fire

x2 on this Jason but a bad panhard bushing can also be the culprit. I'm still chasing mine down as I get more $$ I replace more things. I'm in the process of collecting front control arm bushings.
To make it go away temporarily set the toe out a little more than it should be.

I shall do that with the toe. I'll check the alignment with a tape measure tonight to see how close I am. I don't mind a little bit of wandering as long as I don't have to worry about that darn wobble.

mikesean76 · 11-03-09, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by strong_toy

Having just said that, are you planning on rebuilding the axle on your truck with the front end damage? If that is the case you might want to degrease everything and take a look for any possible damaged nuts, bolts, etc., or anything loose. Just a thought.

Yeah same truck. I had the vehicle inspected for any additional damage other than body panels. I haven't been able to find anything. I have been driving the truck for a couple of months now and the only thing I haven't put on is the bumper. I have a guy fabricating one for me, just hard to link up our schedules.

It would help to have a couple more sets of eyes check it though.

little_joe · 11-04-09, 08:52 PM

Unfortunately I cannot make this meeting/HAMOM. I have 2 spare inner axle seals if anyone needs them, Ramon has my 54mm socket if it's needed someone can pick it up from him. I also have 2 clips for the outer axles-birfield if they are needed.

Have a great time! My only consolation is my in-laws will be here and my mother in law is the best cook on the planet.

GarnerFJ40 · 11-05-09, 07:50 AM

Got all my stuff except the studs. Does it make sense to try and switch them all out to the new style or just loctite the old ones back in? Couldn't find Palladium as Al had reccomended so I got Valvoline DuraBlend (I think, don't have the tub in front of me, but it's moly grease). Got 4 tubs and a tube of it, one tub of Mobil 1, cans of brake cleaner and PB, towels and rags. I'll see if I can snag a box of gloves from work... I've got lots of large buckets for cleaning parts and catching grease... I have no special tools, so I'm hoping everyone else is bringing those!

lt1fire · 11-05-09, 09:43 AM

Palladium is normally a NAPA thing and often they have to order it

I might have some im my garage still

ncduckman · 11-05-09, 11:10 AM

I have a spare tube of Palladium. The keep it in stock at the NAPA in Durham.

southerncruiser62 · 11-05-09, 04:01 PM

Whats the status of the PDR guy for this meeting Jason?

strong_toy · 11-05-09, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GarnerFJ40

Got all my stuff except the studs. Does it make sense to try and switch them all out to the new style or just loctite the old ones back in? Couldn't find Palladium as Al had reccomended so I got Valvoline DuraBlend (I think, don't have the tub in front of me, but it's moly grease). Got 4 tubs and a tube of it, one tub of Mobil 1, cans of brake cleaner and PB, towels and rags. I'll see if I can snag a box of gloves from work... I've got lots of large buckets for cleaning parts and catching grease... I have no special tools, so I'm hoping everyone else is bringing those!

Keep in mind that the moly is only for the birfs. The wheel bearing and hub get Mobil1 or similar non-moly. I don't know what's special about the Palladium, is it synthetic? I used the Durablend when I did mine. You might want another tub of Mobil1, but you have plenty of moly.

I would also take the opportunity to drain/fill the diff, so if you do, get some fluid for that (recommend Mobil1 also).

What are the new style knuckle studs? Do they have torx on the end to tighten? You can always switch them later if desired or the loctite doesn't hold. I didn't loctite mine, but they have not loosened (that I know of).

southerncruiser62 · 11-05-09, 08:28 PM

Brian I hope if we are attempting to do 3 of these in one day that way have the proper tools, we got ya covered.

lt1fire · 11-05-09, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by strong_toy

Keep in mind that the moly is only for the birfs. The wheel bearing and hub get Mobil1 or similar non-moly. I don't know what's special about the Palladium, is it synthetic? I used the Durablend when I did mine. You might want another tub of Mobil1, but you have plenty of moly.

I would also take the opportunity to drain/fill the diff, so if you do, get some fluid for that (recommend Mobil1 also).

What are the new style knuckle studs? Do they have torx on the end to tighten? You can always switch them later if desired or the loctite doesn't hold. I didn't loctite mine, but they have not loosened (that I know of).

Palladium has a the percentage of moly that has been recommended on many of the rebuild threads, Durablend doesn't that's most likely the only difference between the two.

GarnerFJ40 · 11-06-09, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by strong_toy

Keep in mind that the moly is only for the birfs. The wheel bearing and hub get Mobil1 or similar non-moly. I don't know what's special about the Palladium, is it synthetic? I used the Durablend when I did mine. You might want another tub of Mobil1, but you have plenty of moly.

I would also take the opportunity to drain/fill the diff, so if you do, get some fluid for that (recommend Mobil1 also).

What are the new style knuckle studs? Do they have torx on the end to tighten? You can always switch them later if desired or the loctite doesn't hold. I didn't loctite mine, but they have not loosened (that I know of).

Yep, moly for the birf, Mobil 1 for the bearings. I'll pick up an extra tub of the other grease. What's the approximate volume of the diff? I saw pics in the threads of people using 4 of the small bottles of Mobil 1, but that seems like it wouldn't be enough...

As for the studs, yeah, they would be the newer style with the torx head. I figured since we had it torn apart, I would switch them out, but that was merely for piece of mind. I have only had problems with the pass. side since it gets the most force, but it has been missing one stud since I noticed the steering was off. We'll find out if it's broken inside or just missing when it's all cleaned up.... Al says he has a replacement just not sure if it's ready to go or not

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jfz80 · 11-09-09, 08:50 AM

PDR will not likely happen. I have finally spoken to him but I did not get a sense of confidence when he said he'd check his schedule and get back to me. I understand hes picked up doing all the work for some premier dealerships and is much more busy.

Hopefully it could still be an option for a future time.

GarnerFJ40 · 11-09-09, 09:28 AM

So, where do I need to be Friday night? I'll leave shortly after work, and probably get up to you guys around 8ish. Just need to pick up my new knuckle studs, then I'm good to go...

lt1fire · 11-09-09, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GarnerFJ40

So, where do I need to be Friday night? I'll leave shortly after work, and probably get up to you guys around 8ish. Just need to pick up my new knuckle studs, then I'm good to go...

Aww crap I forgot to tell you that I could pick up some ARP studs for you on the cheap over here. My friends dad is a dealer.

GarnerFJ40 · 11-09-09, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by lt1fire

Aww crap I forgot to tell you that I could pick up some ARP studs for you on the cheap over here. My friends dad is a dealer.

Well, I haven't paid for them yet... I think the total is going to be around $60 with the washers, nuts and all...

lt1fire · 11-09-09, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GarnerFJ40

Well, I haven't paid for them yet... I think the total is going to be around $60 with the washers, nuts and all...

I'm not going to see him again. So most likely its a wash right now. Just get them from your source

Fort Knox · 11-09-09, 11:18 PM

Anybody else headed to this meeting from the Triangle area besides Greg and myself? Clint? Jerry? Robert? Thinking we can carpool, or at least caravan Saturday morning.

addicted56 · 11-10-09, 04:17 AM

I wouldn't mind meeting someone in Raleigh and getting hitch'n a ride from there.

southerncruiser62 · 11-10-09, 04:36 AM

Guys I will be driving and taking the 80, if anyone wants to ride let me know, only catch may be that I leave friday night to help the guys with the teardown to speed things up for Saturday.

ncduckman · 11-10-09, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Fort Knox

Anybody else headed to this meeting from the Triangle area besides Greg and myself? Clint? Jerry? Robert? Thinking we can carpool, or at least caravan Saturday morning.

I will be in Beaufort County this weekend chasing animals with firearms.

lt1fire · 11-10-09, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ncduckman

I will be in Beaufort County this weekend chasing animals with firearms.

The animals in Beaufort County have firearms

Be careful

Roxx · 11-10-09, 08:18 AM

Hey Guys, I am new in the club. I am in Charlotte and I definally would like to go to the meeting. I don't know any of you guys but I can help in any project. I have to tear down the FJ62 that somebody is comming to get some parts out of it but i can probably get that done on sunday. Let me know address and time and see if I can make it there. Thanks

Rafael