Tech Questions Here

[sparkplug]

Originally Posted by moomtazz

I've been reading up on the Aussie locker. It sounds good, but I'm still unsure.

One consideration is I also want some sort of air for my tires, either OBA or a CO2 system. A CO2 setup is anywhere from $2-300 bucks, and if the Aussie locker is $300 shipped,say $550 for both.

With ARB I'd need a locker + compressor. I'm guessing I could get them for around $1000...

I think ultimately I will end up with ARB, but I'm also trying to stretch the budget right now so I can take the new 40 to (hopefully) GSMTR in May, Ramble in June, and Sicily Island in July.

I talked to a couple of people on mud who have pulled 40's on a trailer with a FJ cruiser, and I think it's worth a shot.

So, I'm looking for a 'light' tandem axle trailer, locker, (soft?) doors, family cage, and the biggest thing, stuff that will make it possible for a female to tolerate camping in the south during the summer. That is a toughie, and the more I look, it may just be cheaper to get a hotel, but then I'd miss out on the nightly fun haha. (Ok just read the fun thing, yes my priorities have definitely been mixed up since joinging!)

I know I should just take it slow and add stuff over time, and the cage can probably wait some. I'm not going to put Blake at risk, and I already scared him enough in the FJC so I'd be less prone to do anything risky in the 40. The last thing I want is to make him skittish to come to the rides.

My brother would pull his 40 on a trailer with a 60 no problem. I think your FJ cruiser would pull the 40,trailer, and the 60.

[Volunteer]

Originally Posted by moomtazz

So if I go with the Aussie in the rear the cruiser won't explode on the road? If I've read things correctly, as long as I don't pretend I'm in a Corvette the Aussie locker will be fine onroad? Do you think it had anything to do with your flop the other day?

I drove my 40 to work daily for a while and on the HWY regualry and never had an issue. It will force you to drive differently I did all the reading as well and believe me its really nothing to be concerned with. You adjust to it in no time. You can ask Corey we put one in his right before the cruiser crawl and I thinks he's been happy with it. Mike ran them in the front and rear and he can chime in as well. I haven't heard anyone speak negative about them. At our Gilmer trip I heard many folks praising them as well which is when I started looking into them. My flop was caused more from me locking up the brakes and the sudden jeking of the wheel to miss the dumb@ss. I do think if I had the wider wheels and tires instead of the skinnies I wouldn't of went over with a wider patch.

[moomtazz]

Ok thanks. The onroad characteristics was what I was worried about. I think the price is right on these. The ARB will have to wait, maybe put one in the front later on.

Mike, I'd like to hear how your 40 handled with front and rear Aussies. It looked like you had no problems maneuvering up in Alabama.

[sparkplug]

Mike's old truck has ARB now. It was very hard to turn with front hubs locked and in 4wd IMO.

[PScottBx]

Yeah, stick Landry's truck with elocker on in front and rear (which the autolocker in andother rig would do if you needed it) and try to turn... It's like trying to turn an elephant around w/ two hands.

Bx

[Volunteer]

Originally Posted by PScottBx

Yeah, stick Landry's truck with elocker on in front and rear (which the autolocker in andother rig would do if you needed it) and try to turn... It's like trying to turn an elephant around w/ two hands.

Bx

From what I've read by adding the CDL switch I can turn the CDL off and it makes the steering easier and also with the pin 7 mod I can use the lockers in Hi as well. Will let you know this weekend. No doubt autolockers front and rear takes a man to drive, it would be a benefit to add some ram assist steering.

[moomtazz]

Is there an online service manual for a 40?

Anyone know offhand of what parts like washers or gaskets I should have on hand if I'm going to install an Aussie locker in the rear? Or what I could look at for preventive maintenance / replacement while doing it?

[lostinafog]

just a cover gasket ----- axle seals while you have them loose new lube

[tabascoloco]

Here's my .02 worth:

For a daily driver, most agree that ARB's are hands down the best not only in strength, but in parts availability, and WHO doesn't want onboard air ANYWAY??? I know I do. They are expensive, but that's about it. All this talk about air lines leaking, etc is 100% user install error. Anyway, you can just carry a small CO2 tank and spare connections/fittings to adapt to the ARB and that solves that. They are instantaneous. I'd go with this on my daily driver for sure.

You have a couple of OEM options too, let's not forget....like LSD up front and even Cable lockers....remeber, anything can happen....air lines can break, leak or bust.... cables can pop...etc...etc....Electric lockers rely on a computer (ECU) as well and are prone to solenoids sticking, etc....they ALL have ups and downs...

The BIG thing I liked about the AUSSIE and DETROIT (they are basically the same to me) and LOCKRIGHT...is that they are SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE. Nothing to break really.....and guaranteed to work. PERIOD..

If its just a trail rig, I'd say LINCOLN or AUSSIE in the rear....and LSD or ARB up front.

The 2 LOW mod on the 40 series will solve the steering issue, but of course you'll be in 2wd not 4wd....

Important, is to decide what the rig is for....daily driver...little of both...strictly trail rig, etc...these are important to know 1st.

For me, the 40 was weekend and trail only, so the Aussie in the rear was a reliable, simple no-brainer. I'd planned on ARB's up front with EXTREME AIR.
I like the fact that the Aussie locker guys are on MUD and outspoken about standing by their product....in writing, right here on Mud. Says a lot.


Later

Mike

[sparkplug]

Might want to change out the bearings as well. They can get damaged when removing.

[PScottBx]

Originally Posted by tabascoloco

Here's my .02 worth:

For a daily driver, most agree that ARB's are hands down the best not only in strength, but in parts availability, and WHO doesn't want onboard air ANYWAY??? I know I do. They are expensive, but that's about it. All this talk about air lines leaking, etc is 100% user install error. Anyway, you can just carry a small CO2 tank and spare connections/fittings to adapt to the ARB and that solves that. They are instantaneous. I'd go with this on my daily driver for sure.

You have a couple of OEM options too, let's not forget....like LSD up front and even Cable lockers....remeber, anything can happen....air lines can break, leak or bust.... cables can pop...etc...etc....Electric lockers rely on a computer (ECU) as well and are prone to solenoids sticking, etc....they ALL have ups and downs...

The BIG thing I liked about the AUSSIE and DETROIT (they are basically the same to me) and LOCKRIGHT...is that they are SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE. Nothing to break really.....and guaranteed to work. PERIOD..

If its just a trail rig, I'd say LINCOLN or AUSSIE in the rear....and LSD or ARB up front.

The 2 LOW mod on the 40 series will solve the steering issue, but of course you'll be in 2wd not 4wd....

Important, is to decide what the rig is for....daily driver...little of both...strictly trail rig, etc...these are important to know 1st.

For me, the 40 was weekend and trail only, so the Aussie in the rear was a reliable, simple no-brainer. I'd planned on ARB's up front with EXTREME AIR.
I like the fact that the Aussie locker guys are on MUD and outspoken about standing by their product....in writing, right here on Mud. Says a lot.


Later

Mike

[PScottBx]

Originally Posted by PScottBx

Ok so here's the vagina guy taking a stab at this but you could do it w/ just the two stands (although good to have something under your axles I'd think) and no need to bleed your brakes. We changed your brake lines last time so that's why we did that.. you're not lengthening or shortening them.. they should be good.

1. Jack up the front w/ the stands under the frame for support.
2. Chock the back wheels unless you find another set of stands...
2. Really do it in reverse of how we finished last time: Release the u-bolts, then the shackles, then the pins (spring pin) and shocks. Be careful not to ruin your good bushings getin all that crap off.


Good luck!

Ok, someone tell him really how to do it

Ok, so no one commented on the this very technical write up?????

[John Stw]

Originally Posted by cajun65

Yes, just the rear. I plan on trying to start as soon as I get home tomorrow afternoon.

Call if you need some help.

[moomtazz]

I still love the FJC and it will be my DD. The 40 is for trails and leisurely days. I want to be able to take it on trails like that ravine at the SCC that I avoided because I was worried about body damage.

I will eventually have onboard air and co2, I'm looking at the Aussie right now mainly because it's less expensive and there are things I need to spend cash on to be ready for the summer. I figure if I'm really uncomfortable on the road with it I can pull it out and recoup a little cash.

I think I'll eventually go ARB in the front, and probably the rear somewhere down the road.

[tabascoloco]

I suppose that my personal favorite setup would be the OEM Cable lockers. But alas, those are usually about 4k complete and in good order. Used to be able to pickup a complete FF axle WITH cable locker and all from SOR years ago...ran about 500 bucks...but now they are rare and pricey, and the FF axles don't come with the cable lockers... :(

Sounds to me like Aussie locker just might be the ticket. I'd not hesitate one bit on it. Loved'em.

PS: You'd be fine on most trails with the rear locker alone....

[Volunteer]

Originally Posted by tabascoloco

I suppose that my personal favorite setup would be the OEM Cable lockers. But alas, those are usually about 4k complete and in good order. Used to be able to pickup a complete FF axle WITH cable locker and all from SOR years ago...ran about 500 bucks...but now they are rare and pricey, and the FF axles don't come with the cable lockers... :(

Sounds to me like Aussie locker just might be the ticket. I'd not hesitate one bit on it. Loved'em.

PS: You'd be fine on most trails with the rear locker alone....

I 2nd the cable lockers I'd prefer over anything. Ox locker has a nice product but no offering for Toys. OEM Toyota like in Canadian Scott's 70 would be awesome.

[cajun65]

Something came up. Had it backed into the garage ready to go. Will try on Saturday or when I'm off next week. Thanks buddy.

[BikerTrash]

A Spool!

[my81fj]

I love my aussie. If I had to do it over again I would still put in another aussie. You can't beat the price for what you get. Get it you want regret it.

[beyondlogic]

Originally Posted by my81fj

I love my aussie. If I had to do it over again I would still put in another aussie. You can't beat the price for what you get. Get it you want regret it.

did you put it front or rear?

[PScottBx]

Originally Posted by beyondlogic

did you put it front or rear?

Rear

[cajun65]

Got the springs on. Both shackles are folded under though and I can't jack it up high enough to straighten.

Any ideas? Hi-lift? Screwed?

Thanks for answering the call today Larry, Scott, thanks for the jack and stands, Corey, thanks for calling and offering the help but I was doing good.

Goodnight and happy Easter.

MC

[PScottBx]

I have a hi lift you can borrow... just call. Easter or not... just call

me

[Bodean]

Originally Posted by PScottBx

Yeah, I got a sorta hybrid for the troopy w/ 3 B pillars and cross ties. Little concerned about the frame tie in w/ also mounting it to the body like stock in order to allow the body to roll (ie lean) a bit. Will probably come up w/ something in between. Anyway, good product thus far. Let you know when I get the d@mn top off to get it welded.



There are more than a few folks in this area that can probably do it for you. In the club itself Will M does some welding and Landry has a machine... but no gas (welding gas that is )



me

Scott,

Look at Poly Performance.com - Fox Shocks, Donahoe Racing, Beard, CTM, Currie Enterprises, Edelbrock, total Chaos, Ramsey winch, Walker Evans, Wilwood, Mastercraft, and more... they offer a cool frame tie-in set up. Might be just what you are looking for to allow the body a little flex. The have some cool on board air set-ups too. I am going to get one of the viair set-ups.

Later,

Later,

[PScottBx]

Originally Posted by Bodean

Scott,

Look at Poly Performance.com - Fox Shocks, Donahoe Racing, Beard, CTM, Currie Enterprises, Edelbrock, total Chaos, Ramsey winch, Walker Evans, Wilwood, Mastercraft, and more... they offer a cool frame tie-in set up. Might be just what you are looking for to allow the body a little flex. The have some cool on board air set-ups too. I am going to get one of the viair set-ups.

Later,

Later,

Thanks! Will do bud (P.S. I emailed you... now email me back! lol)

me

[beyondlogic]

has anyone thought about putting a full time lock like a spool or something like that up front where it would not affect onroad performance?

[Bodean]

My e-mail has changed. murrah40@bellsouth.net

Later,

[PScottBx]

Originally Posted by Bodean

My e-mail has changed. murrah40@bellsouth.net

Later,

Crap.. It didn't get a bounce back

Fwd ur mail fawker! lol ok just kiddin.. I'll send you nuther.


Sorry for the hijack.. back on track.

[Volunteer]

Originally Posted by cajun65

Got the springs on. Both shackles are folded under though and I can't jack it up high enough to straighten.

Any ideas? Hi-lift? Screwed?

Thanks for answering the call today Larry, Scott, thanks for the jack and stands, Corey, thanks for calling and offering the help but I was doing good.

Goodnight and happy Easter.

MC

Will try to ride by if you think you need. Inverted again

[third coast cruisers]

if the springs are inverted towards the axle it would stand to reason the springs are now entirely to short.

and they will stay inverted or constantly want to to do so especially when you apply torque to the rear axle during driving.

i was kinda wondering why they would shorten the springs in the first place.

i thought when we put on the suspension that the springs could stand to be lengthened.

i guess larry will be able to determine better when he goes by.

let us know the verdict.

i know i have been very interested in the next step in the proto suspension saga.

last time we picked the truck up by the frame to unload the spring by letting the axle hang.