school me on gubs

semlin · 12-08-05, 07:02 PM

say a guy had never owned or fired a gub but felt like shooting a gub. and say he figured his eventual objective would be to hunt deer and other big hairy mammals with it. and say he was from canada where the diesel cruisers are plenty but gubs that aren't rifles are rare. what the heck kind of gub should he start off shooting?

72FJ40LandCruiser · 12-08-05, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by semlin

say a guy had never owned or fired a gub but felt like shooting a gub. and say he figured his eventual objective would be to hunt deer and other big hairy mammals with it. and say he was from canada where the diesel cruisers are plenty but gubs that aren't rifles are rare. what the heck kind of gub should he start off shooting?

You want a hand gun or long gun?

LoveTractor · 12-08-05, 07:06 PM

I love my Ruger 10/22.

Nice beginner plinker.
I asked about a beginner gub here:
http://forum.ih8mud.com/hunting-fishing/58325-22-rifle-recommendation.html

stinkyfj60 · 12-08-05, 07:07 PM

Long gun, bolt action, .22LR move up the scale from there, JMO.

.22LR, low recoil, low noise, accurate at close range, cheap to shoot.

semlin · 12-08-05, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 72FJ40LandCruiser

You want a hand gun or long gun?

hand guns are basically not allowed in Canada. so a long gun.

flintknapper · 12-08-05, 07:16 PM

Any .22 rim fire of decent manufacture.

Ammo is inexpensive, recoil is negligible.

Without question, the biggest mistake I see beginners make is to "overgun" themselves. Invaribly... this leads to developing poor shooting habits.

Most shooters will be able to "move up" from the .22 fairly quickly, but most will keep it for a "plinking/practice" GUB just the same.

With proper instruction, you can learn all of the basic safety rules and shooting techniques (for a given firearm) in just a few outings.

Its really a lot of fun, and many people never hunt with them, they just enjoy shooting.

72FJ40LandCruiser · 12-08-05, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by semlin

hand guns are basically not allowed in Canada. so a long gun.

I'm no expert, but I'll echo what the other guys said. A .22LR is a great gun to start out with for plinking and small varmints. Many a squirrel and rabbit can be taken with a .22. If not a .22, a 12 gauge shot gun is very versatile. I have a Mossberg 500 which can be purchased for under $200 and they are a decent reliable pump shotgun. Many law enforcement agencies use them, modified a bit with different stocks and such, of course.

White Shark · 12-08-05, 07:18 PM

Ruger 10/22. Move up to a .30-30 Lever action when you've mastered the .22LR. Then try a .30-06 or something similar that will give you a clean kill at distance without lifting you out of your boots everytime you shoot. All of these calibers are easily available even in small podunk towns. They are also easy to sell if you ever want to swap out for something else. They are also the cheapest to shoot in small, medium, and large cartridges.

Ruger 10/22 in .22LR
Marlin or Winchester .30-30 Lever Action (I like the Marlin)
Browning H-Bar or Remington or Weatherby .30-06
If you want Elk or larger, you might get into a .300 Weatherby Mag or 7MM Mag.

cruiserdan · 12-08-05, 07:22 PM

I suggest a bolt action center fire that meets the legal requirements for your hunting regulations. I seem to remember that there is a minimun caliber requirement (something like 7mm or larger perhaps?).
Remington, Winchester, Savage, Weatherby and Ruger all offer suitable versions. I would opt for a ".30-06 class" or perhaps a bit more powerful offering since you have the big moose types and such.
Depending on the type of potential hunting you may take up, a quality scope of a fixed 4x would be nice to have. If you are in tight country open sights may be a better choice.

I find it is best to learn on what you intend to use.

Nothing wrong with a .22 of some type as entertainment tho.

D-

semlin · 12-08-05, 07:22 PM

ok, thanks a lot guys. What are some decent makers of .22s? I'm going shopping.

edit: oops Dan, answered that question.

stinkyfj60 · 12-08-05, 07:24 PM

Ruger, Marlin, Henry make good .22s in various actions. Levers are fun, but I like beginers to start with bolts. Dont know why, I just do...

LoveTractor · 12-08-05, 08:27 PM

Semlin, if you're interested in the Ruger 10/22, this is the one I got:
Ruger 10/22 Stainless Standard Carbine
I followed Cruiserdrew's advice and bought 2 extra factory mags and a sling. Lotta fun and easy to shoot and learn on.
From my thread asking for a beginner .22, the Ruger 10/22 was the clear winner hands down.

Fly Rod · 12-08-05, 08:46 PM

First of all CDan was on the right track. If you are going to hunt big game with the gun you will need a centerfire, NOT a .22. .22's are fun, cheap to shoot and great to learn with but they are not for hunting anything larger than a rabbit.

That said, my recommendation is to start with something like a 7mm-08. It is a soft shooting hard hitting caliber. Every manufacture builds a model in this caliber so the choice is up to you. This gun will work fine for all big game up to elk. I would use it on moose with the right load but not recommend it for most people. Definitely not a grizzley gun. What your are looking for is largest round you can shoot accurately and comfortably on the bench and in field positions. Why? Because you will need to practice alot before you shoot your first animal. For most people the 30-06 is about it. Alot of people go for the magnums and such but they rarely shoot them as well as a smaller round. They feel they need the "Knock down" power. Unless you are hunting dangerous game that is the wrong path to go down.

The number one factor in sucsessful big game hunting is bullet placement. I have knocked down virtually everything I have shot with the 7mm-08. Why? I placed the bullet in the right spot and the animal was unaware that I was there. That includes a 600 lb elk shot at 321 Yard. Shooting is a great sport and the quality of the meat is unsurpassed, enjoy!

Yeti

IDave · 12-08-05, 08:54 PM

My first long gun was the 30-06 that I have hunted with for many years, and if you anticipate hunting soon, maybe the gun you'll hunt with should be your first. But what Flint pointed out was true for me: the recoil and noise of (especially an elk-sized) hunting rifle set me up for pulling my shots, something it took a few years and a number of adjustments to unlearn. So, I, too, think that ideally you learn to plink with a .22 and lots of cheap ammo before you move up.

e9999 · 12-08-05, 11:22 PM

a 30-06, while nothing close to a safari or big bear gun, is too much to start with unless you can secure some really light loads for it. That is possible, though. If you are lucky enough to have a friend reloader, he could make some light recoil cast bullet rounds (if it's not a gas semi-auto gun). Play with those for a while and then slowly go for full loads. Or buy some commercial light loads, but these may not be cheap. If the light loads are not possible, don't start with an 06...

stinkyfj60 · 12-09-05, 05:31 AM

The question was what gun to start shooting with if he no experience with guns. If he starts with an 06 or .270 and finds out he doesnt like hunting he is unlikely to use the gun again. Also the noise and recoil may make it slighty unpleasent to begin shooting with, effect accuracy and then take the fun out of it.
.22s are always fun to shoot and you can start off at the range and then small game hunting. When its time to hunt big game then you move up.
I started shooting with a bolt action single shot .22, so has my daughter. I started my wife on a lever action .22. I moved up to the 7mm Mag after that, and I have my wife shooting one too. But life started with the .22LR

CPJONES1231 · 12-09-05, 06:06 AM

I use a 7mm-08 Ruger and a .17HMR for the hunting I do around here (TN) The 17 is a fun little gun with a super fast shot. The 7mm-08 like everyone else has said is plenty to knock down most of the game you would be hunting. The 7mm is also a really comfortable gun to shoot.

beaufort-fj60 · 12-09-05, 06:14 AM

try a .44 Magnum single-action revolver, they are kinda like a 22 but louder.

swank60 · 12-09-05, 09:14 AM

Do you want to be a cowboy/girl?

A Policeman/woman?

or a Spaceman/woman?

semlin · 12-09-05, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by swank60

Do you want to be a cowboy/girl?

A Policeman/woman?

or a Spaceman/woman?

dang nabbit, you need to swow down and smell the woses fwiend. Wook at my avatwar. I am a swank hunter, not those other cwazy things. So far all I seem to be able to find out here in the thweadwands are woud mouthed shnooks, but I've got a feewing I'll get wucky soon and bag me a swank who ventures out here and gets bogged down in the mud, so i want to be weady.

I do appweshiate your advice on awmament options, but swanks are known to pack soshiawist worker assembled 9mm's as well as funny comments so I need to pwan accordingwy. Pwus they only emerge from their safe and secure buwwows (known as tuts) for fwurtive visits to other pwaces in mudwand to fowage for matewial to use to gwow their tut and feed their tut buddies with warm feewings of bewonging and supewiowity. it is vewy dangewous to go into a tut buwwow to hunt swanks because the swank and its fwiends all bweath each other's air in the tut so there is none weft, so I need to gwab the opportunity to spwatter one of those wascawy swanks when it pwesents itself outshide in the mud and I will need something that gets the job done which is why I am happy with what evewybody has helpfuwwy told me about gubs.

now wisten as well, there's another thing about you message. I'm not saying that all the happy miawwiage thweads wecentwy wouldn't confuse a fewwow weading them and make him cautious not jump to concwusions when another pweson has weferred to his wife sevewal times over the years, but I don't wecall anyone else in mudwand ever having twouble figuwing out if I am fewwow or a wady before. I think pwehaps you might actwuawy be a wascawy swank and you were twying a wittle too hard to pwod me to get matewial for your tut? We swank hunters are pwetty easy to pwod wet me tell you, but usuawy it works best if you pwetend to be tawking to us sewiouswy and then misdiwect us with your cweverness. wike this other fewwow I know who stwarts out a conveswation argwing with me and then stawts agweeing with me in the middle and I get so cwazy I dont notice and he twicks me into awgwing with him the wong way agweeing with his owiginal pwoposition OHHHH that guy makes me vewy vewy angwy.

e9999 · 12-09-05, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by semlin

dang nabbit, you need to swow down and smell the woses fwiend. Wook at my avatwar. I am a swank hunter, not those other cwazy things. So far all I seem to be able to find out here in the thweadwands are woud mouthed shnooks, but I've got a feewing I'll get wucky soon and bag me a swank who ventures out here and gets bogged down in the mud, so i want to be weady.

I do appweshiate your advice on awmament options, but swanks are known to pack soshiawist worker assembled 9mm's as well as funny comments so I need to pwan accordingwy. Pwus they only emerge from their safe and secure buwwows (known as tuts) for fwurtive visits to other pwaces in mudwand to fowage for matewial to use to gwow their tut and feed their tut buddies with warm feewings of bewonging and supewiowity. it is vewy dangewous to go into a tut buwwow to hunt swanks because the swank and its fwiends all bweath each other's air in the tut so there is none weft, so I need to gwab the opportunity to spwatter one of those wascawy swanks when it pwesents itself outshide in the mud and I will need something that gets the job done which is why I am happy with what evewybody has helpfuwwy told me about gubs.

now wisten as well, there's another thing about you message. I'm not saying that all the happy miawwiage thweads wecentwy wouldn't confuse a fewwow weading them and make him cautious not jump to concwusions when another pweson has weferred to his wife sevewal times over the years, but I don't wecall anyone else in mudwand ever having twouble figuwing out if I am fewwow or a wady before. I think pwehaps you might actwuawy be a wascawy swank and you were twying a wittle too hard to pwod me to get matewial for your tut? We swank hunters are pwetty easy to pwod wet me tell you, but usuawy it works best if you pwetend to be tawking to us sewiouswy and then misdiwect us with your cweverness. wike this other fewwow I know who stwarts out a conveswation argwing with me and then stawts agweeing with me in the middle and I get so cwazy I dont notice and he twicks me into awgwing with him the wong way agweeing with his owiginal pwoposition OHHHH that guy makes me vewy vewy angwy.

that is too painful to read fully.... must have been to write too... are you bored?

semlin · 12-09-05, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by e9999

that is too painful to read fully.... must have been to write too... are you bored?

edit: wheew, taking myself way too seriously today.

cruiserdan · 12-09-05, 01:39 PM

Bat guano?

What ever happened to Monty anyway?

And I don't mean that messy bridge thing either...

swank60 · 12-09-05, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semlin

dang nabbit, you need to swow down and smell the woses fwiend. Wook at my avatwar. I am a swank hunter, not those other cwazy things. So far all I seem to be able to find out here in the thweadwands are woud mouthed shnooks, but I've got a feewing I'll get wucky soon and bag me a swank who ventures out here and gets bogged down in the mud, so i want to be weady.

I do appweshiate your advice on awmament options, but swanks are known to pack soshiawist worker assembled 9mm's as well as funny comments so I need to pwan accordingwy. Pwus they only emerge from their safe and secure buwwows (known as tuts) for fwurtive visits to other pwaces in mudwand to fowage for matewial to use to gwow their tut and feed their tut buddies with warm feewings of bewonging and supewiowity. it is vewy dangewous to go into a tut buwwow to hunt swanks because the swank and its fwiends all bweath each other's air in the tut so there is none weft, so I need to gwab the opportunity to spwatter one of those wascawy swanks when it pwesents itself outshide in the mud and I will need something that gets the job done which is why I am happy with what evewybody has helpfuwwy told me about gubs.

now wisten as well, there's another thing about you message. I'm not saying that all the happy miawwiage thweads wecentwy wouldn't confuse a fewwow weading them and make him cautious not jump to concwusions when another pweson has weferred to his wife sevewal times over the years, but I don't wecall anyone else in mudwand ever having twouble figuwing out if I am fewwow or a wady before. I think pwehaps you might actwuawy be a wascawy swank and you were twying a wittle too hard to pwod me to get matewial for your tut? We swank hunters are pwetty easy to pwod wet me tell you, but usuawy it works best if you pwetend to be tawking to us sewiouswy and then misdiwect us with your cweverness. wike this other fewwow I know who stwarts out a conveswation argwing with me and then stawts agweeing with me in the middle and I get so cwazy I dont notice and he twicks me into awgwing with him the wong way agweeing with his owiginal pwoposition OHHHH that guy makes me vewy vewy angwy.

Bwwwaaaa! That is the funniest fing thing I've read today!

And I know you're a boy, Simon, I was alluding to what could be a repressed need to cross-dress...

I wouldn't be much of a Wassklie Wabbit if I didn't do that sort of thing, now would I?

brian · 12-09-05, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by semlin

edit: wheew, taking myself way too seriously today.

too late i read it before you edited it. now i have a head ache, and 'am not sure if you really want a gub, or were just messing with swank the whole time??????

semlin · 12-09-05, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cruiserdan

Bat guano?

What ever happened to Monty anyway?

Well, to answer your first question maybe you can translate this better for me. found it during a rare venture into the ultimate thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by swank60

Poor Semlin is going bat@&@&@&@& over there...

I have to admit that I'm prodding a little.

So I asked myself, WWMD? and the answer is that Monty, after a lot

12-08-05, 07:02 PM	#1
semlin northerner Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: north of 49 Posts: 4,030	school me on gubs say a guy had never owned or fired a gub but felt like shooting a gub. and say he figured his eventual objective would be to hunt deer and other big hairy mammals with it. and say he was from canada where the diesel cruisers are plenty but gubs that aren't rifles are rare. what the heck kind of gub should he start off shooting? __________________ 93 fzj80 66 fj40L m101cdn trailer 91 LS400 sedancruiser "Diplomacy is the art of having someone else impose your will on you" Lester Pearson "I have the conch" Piggy

12-08-05, 07:06 PM	#3
LoveTractor Havin' A Good Time Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mt. Pleasant, SC Posts: 361	I love my Ruger 10/22. Nice beginner plinker. I asked about a beginner gub here: http://forum.ih8mud.com/hunting-fishing/58325-22-rifle-recommendation.html __________________ '88 FJ62 140K '96 FZJ80 Locked 174K "There ain't no party like my nana's tea party...Hey..Ho"

12-08-05, 07:07 PM	#4
stinkyfj60 ¡Del uno! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Beneath her feet TLCA# 3014 Posts: 1,069	Long gun, bolt action, .22LR move up the scale from there, JMO. .22LR, low recoil, low noise, accurate at close range, cheap to shoot. __________________ stinky 1984 FJ60 & 1987 Tercel 4WD Sec of Inking and Inserts "This is what you shall do: Love the earth and sun and the animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote you income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God..." Walt Whitman

12-08-05, 07:16 PM	#6
flintknapper IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: May 2004 Location: Deep East Texas Posts: 1,957	Any .22 rim fire of decent manufacture. Ammo is inexpensive, recoil is negligible. Without question, the biggest mistake I see beginners make is to "overgun" themselves. Invaribly... this leads to developing poor shooting habits. Most shooters will be able to "move up" from the .22 fairly quickly, but most will keep it for a "plinking/practice" GUB just the same. With proper instruction, you can learn all of the basic safety rules and shooting techniques (for a given firearm) in just a few outings. Its really a lot of fun, and many people never hunt with them, they just enjoy shooting. __________________ Flintknapper: '97 Land Cruiser, Moonglow Pearl Chocolate Lab (Kota), I miss you. ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ (come and take them)

12-08-05, 07:18 PM	#8
White Shark IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Red Triangle TLCA# I can't remember... Posts: 670	Ruger 10/22. Move up to a .30-30 Lever action when you've mastered the .22LR. Then try a .30-06 or something similar that will give you a clean kill at distance without lifting you out of your boots everytime you shoot. All of these calibers are easily available even in small podunk towns. They are also easy to sell if you ever want to swap out for something else. They are also the cheapest to shoot in small, medium, and large cartridges. Ruger 10/22 in .22LR Marlin or Winchester .30-30 Lever Action (I like the Marlin) Browning H-Bar or Remington or Weatherby .30-06 If you want Elk or larger, you might get into a .300 Weatherby Mag or 7MM Mag. __________________ . ,,____________,, ./ ./,=========" ---------------> <")))>-< /_/ . `·.. ><((((º>`·. .· `·. .· `·... ><((((º> Speargun Power! *Bene legere saecla vincere.*

12-08-05, 07:22 PM	#9
cruiserdan Parts Shaman (per Romer) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Physical inventory prep. I'm edgy TLCA# 11332 Posts: 13,897	I suggest a bolt action center fire that meets the legal requirements for your hunting regulations. I seem to remember that there is a minimun caliber requirement (something like 7mm or larger perhaps?). Remington, Winchester, Savage, Weatherby and Ruger all offer suitable versions. I would opt for a ".30-06 class" or perhaps a bit more powerful offering since you have the big moose types and such. Depending on the type of potential hunting you may take up, a quality scope of a fixed 4x would be nice to have. If you are in tight country open sights may be a better choice. I find it is best to learn on what you intend to use. Nothing wrong with a .22 of some type as entertainment tho. D- __________________ Original owner 93 FZJ80,locked,blown,water/methanol injected(like a WWII fighter aircraft),lifted,winched,snorkeled,slidered,Sleeed ,moneypit. Balanced on a pin head. 95 FZJ80 trail truck (hers), 94 FZJ80 320K with a knock and a lumpy old Dodge car.

12-08-05, 07:24 PM	#11
stinkyfj60 ¡Del uno! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Beneath her feet TLCA# 3014 Posts: 1,069	Ruger, Marlin, Henry make good .22s in various actions. Levers are fun, but I like beginers to start with bolts. Dont know why, I just do... __________________ stinky 1984 FJ60 & 1987 Tercel 4WD Sec of Inking and Inserts "This is what you shall do: Love the earth and sun and the animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote you income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God..." Walt Whitman

12-08-05, 08:27 PM	#12
LoveTractor Havin' A Good Time Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mt. Pleasant, SC Posts: 361	Semlin, if you're interested in the Ruger 10/22, this is the one I got: Ruger 10/22 Stainless Standard Carbine I followed Cruiserdrew's advice and bought 2 extra factory mags and a sling. Lotta fun and easy to shoot and learn on. From my thread asking for a beginner .22, the Ruger 10/22 was the clear winner hands down. __________________ '88 FJ62 140K '96 FZJ80 Locked 174K "There ain't no party like my nana's tea party...Hey..Ho"

12-08-05, 08:46 PM	#13
Fly Rod IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ashland, OR Posts: 1,146	First of all CDan was on the right track. If you are going to hunt big game with the gun you will need a centerfire, NOT a .22. .22's are fun, cheap to shoot and great to learn with but they are not for hunting anything larger than a rabbit. That said, my recommendation is to start with something like a 7mm-08. It is a soft shooting hard hitting caliber. Every manufacture builds a model in this caliber so the choice is up to you. This gun will work fine for all big game up to elk. I would use it on moose with the right load but not recommend it for most people. Definitely not a grizzley gun. What your are looking for is largest round you can shoot accurately and comfortably on the bench and in field positions. Why? Because you will need to practice alot before you shoot your first animal. For most people the 30-06 is about it. Alot of people go for the magnums and such but they rarely shoot them as well as a smaller round. They feel they need the "Knock down" power. Unless you are hunting dangerous game that is the wrong path to go down. The number one factor in sucsessful big game hunting is bullet placement. I have knocked down virtually everything I have shot with the 7mm-08. Why? I placed the bullet in the right spot and the animal was unaware that I was there. That includes a 600 lb elk shot at 321 Yard. Shooting is a great sport and the quality of the meat is unsurpassed, enjoy! Yeti

12-08-05, 08:54 PM	#14
IDave IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: McCall, ID TLCA# 13705 Posts: 6,222	My first long gun was the 30-06 that I have hunted with for many years, and if you anticipate hunting soon, maybe the gun you'll hunt with should be your first. But what Flint pointed out was true for me: the recoil and noise of (especially an elk-sized) hunting rifle set me up for pulling my shots, something it took a few years and a number of adjustments to unlearn. So, I, too, think that ideally you learn to plink with a .22 and lots of cheap ammo before you move up. __________________ 9/70 FJ40 +Rollbar 9/64 FJ45 (L) P-B with restored wiring 4/84 Toy 4x4 Mini PU "The hungry sheep look up, and are not fed: but, swol'n with wind, and the rank mist they draw, rot inwardly and foul contagion spread."--Milton

12-08-05, 11:22 PM	#15
e9999 You want to do what...? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: PRK Posts: 10,202	a 30-06, while nothing close to a safari or big bear gun, is too much to start with unless you can secure some really light loads for it. That is possible, though. If you are lucky enough to have a friend reloader, he could make some light recoil cast bullet rounds (if it's not a gas semi-auto gun). Play with those for a while and then slowly go for full loads. Or buy some commercial light loads, but these may not be cheap. If the light loads are not possible, don't start with an 06... __________________ '97: 88K, 3xlock, Custom HD roo bar for sale, 285 MT/Rs on steelies, Hanna sliders, 851+1.5"/863/N73/N74E/SD24, ARB bull with M12, Kaymar with duals, Kaymar rack, Slee TC skid, 2m/440, more stuff, loose nut behind the wheel!) '03: 99K, the better half's... DD souped up DR650

12-09-05, 05:31 AM	#16
stinkyfj60 ¡Del uno! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Beneath her feet TLCA# 3014 Posts: 1,069	The question was what gun to start shooting with if he no experience with guns. If he starts with an 06 or .270 and finds out he doesnt like hunting he is unlikely to use the gun again. Also the noise and recoil may make it slighty unpleasent to begin shooting with, effect accuracy and then take the fun out of it. .22s are always fun to shoot and you can start off at the range and then small game hunting. When its time to hunt big game then you move up. I started shooting with a bolt action single shot .22, so has my daughter. I started my wife on a lever action .22. I moved up to the 7mm Mag after that, and I have my wife shooting one too. But life started with the .22LR __________________ stinky 1984 FJ60 & 1987 Tercel 4WD Sec of Inking and Inserts "This is what you shall do: Love the earth and sun and the animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote you income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God..." Walt Whitman

12-09-05, 06:06 AM	#17
CPJONES1231 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: May 2005 Location: TN Posts: 266	... I use a 7mm-08 Ruger and a .17HMR for the hunting I do around here (TN) The 17 is a fun little gun with a super fast shot. The 7mm-08 like everyone else has said is plenty to knock down most of the game you would be hunting. The 7mm is also a really comfortable gun to shoot. __________________ 93 Cruiser, Green (scratched and faded)

12-09-05, 06:14 AM	#18
beaufort-fj60 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,198	try a .44 Magnum single-action revolver, they are kinda like a 22 but louder.

12-09-05, 01:39 PM	#23
cruiserdan Parts Shaman (per Romer) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Physical inventory prep. I'm edgy TLCA# 11332 Posts: 13,897	Bat guano? What ever happened to Monty anyway? And I don't mean that messy bridge thing either... __________________ Original owner 93 FZJ80,locked,blown,water/methanol injected(like a WWII fighter aircraft),lifted,winched,snorkeled,slidered,Sleeed ,moneypit. Balanced on a pin head. 95 FZJ80 trail truck (hers), 94 FZJ80 320K with a knock and a lumpy old Dodge car.