Trying to Import Rifle Barrel From US-Can, Help!

[cody c]

So as the title goes, i would like to bring a rifle barrel for a 300 win mag into Canada, Anyone know how hard/expensive this is and what kind of papers/people i gotta deal with.
Thank-U!

[MARLIN375]

Seems to me the problem is with puchasing it to begin with.
The laws for selling to a "non-US resident" have changed.
You need to go through a broker (like a sporting goods retailer/gunsmith) for everything that has anything to do with firearms (even scopes and reloading components).

If you go south and pick it up yourself It is not the Canadian customs and duty guys you need to worry about (as long as you declare and pay applicable duties) it is the US border patrol that will ruin your day.

Do some searching on the huntingbc.ca forum it has been disscussed at great length.


Your fellow Canuck.

[cody c]

thanks! I will have a look there, i found a broker online yesterday, but there price was $200 per rifle part, hardly makes a $350 barrel worth while. I was kind of hoping for some legal loop holes, actually what about dual citizenship? wife has that, could that work?

[Super 70]

Cody,

It can be done fairly easily.

Go to for online export and import permit application:

https://excol-ceed.gc.ca/excol/Home.aspx

and for import/export information look at the links below:

Military and Technology

Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada (DFAIT)

I had Christensen Arms build me a rifle (Utah) last year and send it directly to me in south Surry/White Rock, BC. As long as the company you are buying from is willing to get a US export permit, you are good.

It took months of digging around to find out if and how to do it... but follow the top link and it only takes about 10 minutes to fill the form out, providing you have all the information. Within 2 weeks, you will receive your Canadian Import permit.

Hope this helps!!

Cheers!

Rob

Surrey, BC

BJ70 - 1985
HDJ81 - 1990

[Pin_Head]

Originally Posted by MARLIN375

Seems to me the problem is with puchasing it to begin with.

It is the US border patrol that will ruin your day.

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Barrels are not regulated parts in the US, so anyone can buy one. The US border control won't care if it leaves the US. Why not buy one on line and have it mailed?

[cody c]

Thats the help i was looking for! Thanks guys! But...

here is a link to the company i would like to order through for those interested : ER Shaw Custom Gun Barrels

here is a reply from the email i sent them:

Good afternoon
Unfortunately we can not help you with this request. We do not do any sales to nor any shipping to any areas outside of the United States. We do not have the permits to conduct sales to Canada nor anywhere else except in the US. Sorry we can not help you
Thanks
Chris

I might have to find some one in the states to order it to and then have them ship it to me if they dont want to be bothered, I just hope they will sell to a US adress for a Canadian resident.
I must like doing everything the hard way.

[cody c]

Originally Posted by Pin_Head

Barrels are not regulated parts in the US, so anyone can buy one. The US border control won't care if it leaves the US. Why not buy one on line and have it mailed?

Not that i dont want to believe you but..


Q4. I want to buy parts in the US for my firearm and import them into Canada.

A4. The US controls on the export of firearms extends to parts also. For small orders worth less than US$100.00 the US Department of State allows an exemption from the export licence. This exemption, however, does not cover ‘significant’ parts which includes; barrels, slides, cylinders, bolts, frames and receivers. It should be noted that there is no equivalent exemption offered by the Department of Commerce for shotgun parts. Further, there is no exemption for ammunition or ammunition components. Canadian importers should follow the procedure outlined in Q1 (above) to import parts not exempted.


To satisfy that US requirement Canadian residents may apply for an International Import Certificate (IIC).

The following steps are involved;

have the US seller identify the exporter - the US government requires that this exporter be a Federal Firearms Licenced (FFL) gun dealer for most exports. In many cases the US seller is an FFL dealer.

apply to International Trade Canada (ITCan) for an International Import Certificate (IIC) by calling (613) 996-2387 or by faxing your request to (613) 996-9933 and requesting blank application forms. Once completed, the form should be returned to ITCan for processing and certification. Expect this process to take 2-3 weeks. The certified document will then be returned to the applicant for onward delivery to the US exporter. There is no charge for the IIC.

pre-register the firearm through the Canada Firearms Centre. Pre-registration allows the importer to clear the firearm through the Canada Border Service Agency without any undue delay.

the US exporter will attach their copy of the IIC to their application for an export licence. In the US, applications for shotguns are administered by the Department of Commerce and for all other firearms are administered by the Department of State.

once the US export licence is issued the US exporter may then send the firearm to Canada.

the Canadian importer is responsible for declaring the value of the firearm to Canada Customs and for ensuring that all safe storage and safe transportation regulations are observed.

within 30 days of arrival in Canada, the importer must have the firearm verified and such verification confirmed with the Canada Firearms Centre.


SHITE!!

[Super 70]

Cody,

Having the Canadian Firearms center verify what you import is usually just a matter of a phone call and/or faxing them... unless you are importing something they have never seen before.... which doesn't sound like the case.

Find out if the manufacturer has any dealers or distributors in the US that do export.

I know I was looking at one of the Wild West Guns custom rifles some time and talking to WWG (Alaska), they were completely unwilling to export, (and actually quite rude about even asking), however, after some persistence on the phone I found out that use a large exporter in the US and I could buy from WWG with a credit card, they would ship to their distributor in the lower 48, who is an exporter out of the US and bingo... I get the gun I want.

The jargon on the website seems scary, but really, having imported myself... it is not that difficult.

Good luck.

Rob

[flintknapper]

Move to the U.S., buy what you want...when you want it, take it home...done deal.

[cody c]

Originally Posted by flintknapper

Move to the U.S., buy what you want...when you want it, take it home...done deal.

Thanks for the offer Flintknapper, we may actually be going to Hawaii for a couple months for the wife to work early next year.
But i'd like to get this barrel by hunting season.

Super70,who was the exporter you got a hold of that shipped your rifle? How much did it cost and how long did it take to get it here? Thanks!!

[e9999]

all that for a barrel... for crying out loud....? can't you just vote out the rascals...?

[Super 70]

Cody,

When I had Christensen Arms build my Carbon Custom One, they exported the rifle to me as it really is not that difficult for a US manufacturer to get a US export permit. Christensen Arms got the export, I got an import and they shipped it. I registered the gun ahead of time with the Canadian Firearms Center by calling them. Not sure the exact wait time on the US company getting a US export.... it only took a few weeks in my case. It is fast getting a Canadian Import permit... 2 weeks or less. I don't believe that you need an Canadian import permit for just a barrel... (not 100% sure on that, so don't take my word for it).

I never did go ahead with building a gun with WWG, Alaska. I opted to customize a new Marlin XLR Lever in 450 Marlin, with my local gunsmith and import all the WWG parts and have the work done locally. I can't recall the name of the export company that WWG uses.

There has to be a distributor or dealer from ER Shaw Custom Gun Barrels that will very likely export... probably just a matter of making a few calls.

Cheers!

Rob

[Super 70]

Originally Posted by e9999

all that for a barrel... for crying out loud....? can't you just vote out the rascals...?

I wish we could....

They all seem to be equally as bad...

Very much an anti gun culture up here with only a few of us hold outs...

[cody c]

I will make some calls tommorrow and see what i can find out, ill post any news i hear.
It really is jumping through hoops, and the thing is (not that i was planning on doing this) i believe you could probally drive from the states to canada with a barrel and you wouldnt see the US customs only Canadian, and as this isnt something you need special paperwork for, as long as it isnt a prohibited part which this isnt, i would think they'd let you drive on in. '

But for the amount of time you'd be in the clink if you got caught, it probally aint worth it.

[cody c]

so a little update: i called ER SHAW and they were less than helpful (sounds like wild west guns) however they named a distributor (BROWNELL) who is a fairly large hunting and outdoors shop in the states for any Canucks who didnt know. The lady on the phone at Brownell said that they had no problem sending an item to Canada as long as they get the paperwork required, she transferred me over to a sales guy but i sat on "hold" till my lunch break was over.
The good news is they dont seem to have an extra import charge, they just charge the shipping and handling and such. So I just need to get the forms filled out, sent to Canadian import guys online, order the barrel through BROWNELL's and send the paperwork off to them. I'm stoked! I think this is gonna happen! Thanks Guys.

[cody c]

just got my rifle stock in today thought i'd post a pic:

[IdahoDoug]

Beautiful. So are you going to finish the stock yourself?

DougM

[cody c]

Originally Posted by IdahoDoug

Beautiful. So are you going to finish the stock yourself?

DougM

yeah, ill sand it up and finish it, but i think i may take it to a gunsmith to have it glass beaded and to make sure the barrel has enough clearance around the stock before i finish it.

My plan is a browning A-bolt 300 win mag, a ER shaw barrel ( 25 or 26" 1.25" for the entire length and fluted 416r stainless) i havent decided 1 in 10" or 1 in 12" twist. i dont really know which is better so i gotta ask about that. I will probally put a zeiss on it but im debating about the leupold VXL. my brother had some fogging issues with his zeiss so im still on the fence.

I have a "gun fund" which i dump my change into, so i'm buying one piece at a time, but i hope to have it done by hunting season.

[Mike S]

I see that your are in Calgary. If you are willing to drive to a border terminal like Whitefish, MT, you could simply have the barrel maker ship it to you c/o the FedEx or UPS terminal in the border city, and drive down and pick it up? If you have all the correct importation papers this avoids brokerage fees.

[cody c]

Originally Posted by Mike S

I see that your are in Calgary. If you are willing to drive to a border terminal like Whitefish, MT, you could simply have the barrel maker ship it to you c/o the FedEx or UPS terminal in the border city, and drive down and pick it up? If you have all the correct importation papers this avoids brokerage fees.

Thats illegal by american law, i would have to have a federal firearms seller liscence plus import/export paperwork to export "significant firearms parts" out of the country.
Propbaly could get away with it through the border. Mind you with the prices of fuel for the 10 hour plus round trip would kind of negate the savings on brokerage fees.
I have been wondering about this lately though.


I have been dealing with Brownells on the phone lately, if they have any one there with more IQ than a chimp or georgey w i havent met them yet, i spent 45 minutes on the cell phone trying to tell the first lady my adress, she had to ask for help 3 times to get it into the computer right, so i kind of gave up on trying a hard question till the next day. Next day i contacted the lady who does special orders, but she didnt seem to know how to take a special order that didnt have an item # in the catalog. Weird, youd think some one in a special order department might know how to do this.

[Mike S]

Under BATF rules repairs returned to the person they originated from do not require an FFL holder. This is INSIDE the US - the reason that I suggested a terminal near the border. If he sent the original barrel and received the new one in place of it, then all is cool. This law is commonsense, and assumes that the gun owner legally obtained the gun being repaired in the first place.

So, sending it to him does not require a US FFL holder. I have no idea what Canada requires in this scenario.

M

[cody c]

so i would have to send a barrel to the states to get one sent here?

its not the canadian laws that get in the way so much as the US laws and the canadian paperwork they require. if you check out the links above you will see what canadian law says.

[cody c]

SCREW IT!! I definately take bake anything nice i said about Brownells or ER SHAW rifles.
Ive spent about 2 hours on the phone with Brownells only to find out that custom orders are too hard for the person hired to do custom orders, ive found a place up here that will be building me a custom barrel and doing all the gunsmithing for about $800 CAD. I believe i will be getting a better product and they seem to be happy to get me what im looking for. If anyone else is looking to get a barrel built call Corlanes sports in dawson creek.

Thanks Again for all the help here anyways! I appreciate all the advice!!
Cheers!!

[AJP]

Cody ... don't make life too miserable for yourself,,, there are excellent barrels (world class in fact) available and manufactured in Canada (McLennan, Gaillard, Ron Smith and others) go to Canadian Online Firearm Community
You will find all the sources you need including some folks in Western Canada that stock Kreiger (Adams Lake Rifle Barrels - and you will have a tough time getting a barrel much better than a Kreiger imho) also Montana and Heym barrels (Bits and Pieces) ... and a firm called Questar that will arrange to legally import about anything you might need. There are a lot of common items that require special permits for US dealers to export..low volume means it isn't worth the hassle for some.