Advice on poaching/trespassing

[phatairman]

Originally Posted by wierdbeard

5. If they're huntin with dogs, shoot em. I love dogs but if they're out there and they know they shouldn't be i'll take their dogs down, disable their vehicle and call the authorities to come and get em.

I hope you were joking about shooting someone's dog. I don't care if they are trespassing, that is a great way to get shot yourself. And the dog didn't do anything. If was the dumbass, low life trespassing thug.

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by Boone

I dont have a problem with anyone pressing charges when somone trespasses and i understand it, i'm just posting this to ask a question.

I am younger (21) i have heard my dad talk about when he was younger him and his friends could basicly go fishing and camping and stuff where ever they want just as long as they were respectful to the land. I personally love to fish, love to camp and generally enjoy the out doors. Ifi am ever on someone elses land either with permission or without (which would be by mistake because of situations like this) i am very respectful to that land. i would not keep fish, i would not deface property and i would not leave any kind of trace when camping. I'm just curious what the generation that my father is in, who spent their days and nights out in the woods without having to check every tree for a posted sign, who got to enjoy the out doors to the fullest and for the most part are the people who are now landowners, are worried about. is it just the disrespectful people? is it everyone, is it a matter of principle, is it just to have that feeling that you posses something and controll it?

I am like i said very respectful to the land because i want my children to enjoy it as much as i have, and i feel that many people are just like me. I just wish that there were more places that i had to enjoy the out doors.

I AM BY NO MEANS ACCUSING CUERNO OR ANYONE ELSE FOR ANYTHING. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE A FEW BAD APPLES THAT RUIN THINGS FOR EVERYONE. I AM SIMPLY LOOKING FOR SOME INSIGHT ON THIS SUBJECT.

When it comes to land, I do possess it and control it. That's why I pay the property taxes on it, and why I paid to own it. Because it is mine. I'm glad that you are respectful of the land, but I also am going to insist that people are respectful of my rights. And I have the right to have people not trespass on my land.

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by phatairman

I hope you were joking about shooting someone's dog. I don't care if they are trespassing, that is a great way to get shot yourself. And the dog didn't do anything. If was the dumbass, low life trespassing thug.

If it is during hunting season, and someone is running their dogs over my property, then the dog's got to go.

That said, I cannot bring myself to shoot someone's dog, but people I hunt with do, and that's fine with me.

[beaufort-fj60]

charge them $20 each to fish..

[phatairman]

Originally Posted by Atticus

If it is during hunting season, and someone is running their dogs over my property, then the dog's got to go.

That said, I cannot bring myself to shoot someone's dog, but people I hunt with do, and that's fine with me.

I agree wholeheartly. I thought the said dogs were trained bird dogs under the voice commands of the trespasser. On the lease that I hunt on dogs that are running deer get shot, but no one talks about it. Alot of misses at running coyotes. Collared dog will usually get a pass.

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by phatairman

I agree wholeheartly. I thought the said dogs were trained bird dogs under the voice commands of the trespasser. On the lease that I hunt on dogs that are running deer get shot, but no one talks about it. Alot of misses at running coyotes. Collared dog will usually get a pass.

That sounds about right. I agree about not shooting dogs that are under command at the time. I missed that.

[wierdbeard]

Shooting Dogs;

I've had to shoot dogs on two occassions, the first was out of season, i found that a guy had cut the fence driven his truck through and tried to camo it. After looking for him i found him running 4 dogs, he had already shot two deer and had a third boxed in, after identifying myself and asking him to come out from the rocks that he had hid behind he refused. Warning him that if he did not the dogs would be put down, he responded with taking a few random shots in my direction. I put his dogs down, then kept him in his location until the game warden and sherrifs showed. The second was a group of drunks with guns had shot the locks off a gate driven into pasture where we had lots of calves, these guys were using about 10 dogs to harrass and attack the calves. With that many folks there was no warning on my part, the dogs were put down and their vehicles disabled, our cowboys had some fun with em while waiting for the sherrifs.

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by wierdbeard

Shooting Dogs;

I've had to shoot dogs on two occassions, the first was out of season, i found that a guy had cut the fence driven his truck through and tried to camo it. After looking for him i found him running 4 dogs, he had already shot two deer and had a third boxed in, after identifying myself and asking him to come out from the rocks that he had hid behind he refused. Warning him that if he did not the dogs would be put down, he responded with taking a few random shots in my direction. I put his dogs down, then kept him in his location until the game warden and sherrifs showed. The second was a group of drunks with guns had shot the locks off a gate driven into pasture where we had lots of calves, these guys were using about 10 dogs to harrass and attack the calves. With that many folks there was no warning on my part, the dogs were put down and their vehicles disabled, our cowboys had some fun with em while waiting for the sherrifs.

My bullshit meter is going off the charts.

You let someone shoot at you without taking them out?

[Darwood]

Originally Posted by Boone

I dont have a problem with anyone pressing charges when somone trespasses and i understand it, i'm just posting this to ask a question.

I am younger (21) i have heard my dad talk about when he was younger him and his friends could basicly go fishing and camping and stuff where ever they want just as long as they were respectful to the land. I personally love to fish, love to camp and generally enjoy the out doors. Ifi am ever on someone elses land either with permission or without (which would be by mistake because of situations like this) i am very respectful to that land. i would not keep fish, i would not deface property and i would not leave any kind of trace when camping. I'm just curious what the generation that my father is in, who spent their days and nights out in the woods without having to check every tree for a posted sign, who got to enjoy the out doors to the fullest and for the most part are the people who are now landowners, are worried about. is it just the disrespectful people? is it everyone, is it a matter of principle, is it just to have that feeling that you posses something and controll it?

I am like i said very respectful to the land because i want my children to enjoy it as much as i have, and i feel that many people are just like me. I just wish that there were more places that i had to enjoy the out doors.

I AM BY NO MEANS ACCUSING CUERNO OR ANYONE ELSE FOR ANYTHING. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE A FEW BAD APPLES THAT RUIN THINGS FOR EVERYONE. I AM SIMPLY LOOKING FOR SOME INSIGHT ON THIS SUBJECT.

You can still do this in the South West since a lot of land is public. I miss public land...

[wierdbeard]

You let someone shoot at you without taking them out?

I was 16 years old at the time, i called the main house on the cb, gramps (R.I.P.) told me to shoot his dogs and keep his head down. I wasn't concerned with him hitting me as it was the "stick the gun up and squeeze off a few". I was up on a ridge watching him through a scope on a 300 mag. Had that happened when i was older, there would have been no hesitation on my part to put him down instead of the dogs.

[Boone]

Atticus, i do not blame you one bit for being protective of your land at all. There are a lot of crazies out there. When you were younger though did you not enjoy the out doors, sometimes on other peoples land? I'm mostly upset with the really up tight people that are assholes about ther land and horde a wonderful resource for themselves.

[CJF]

Originally Posted by Boone

I'm mostly upset with the really up tight people that are assholes about ther land and horde a wonderful resource for themselves.

In what way?

[phrogg4evr]

Originally Posted by Boone

Atticus, i do not blame you one bit for being protective of your land at all. There are a lot of crazies out there. When you were younger though did you not enjoy the out doors, sometimes on other peoples land? I'm mostly upset with the really up tight people that are assholes about ther land and horde a wonderful resource for themselves.

That's easy to say when it's not your land, when the offenders are not trashing a place that you own and have to maintan. When you do own land, you don't want people trashing it. For example, we had the same problem with our land up in NY. Found rotting deer carcasses from ass-hat hunters out there for the rack, or how about the bullet hole we found in the side of our house.

I like to hunt and I like the outdoors, but private and posted land is private and posted land.

Hell, I like big screen high definition TVs, but I'm not going to break into somebody's house to enjoy one.

edit: Boone, check out this thread to see why people get "up-tight" about the way people treat the land sometimes, be it public or private.
http://forum.ih8mud.com/chit-chat-se...ghlight=IDIOTS

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by Boone

Atticus, i do not blame you one bit for being protective of your land at all. There are a lot of crazies out there. When you were younger though did you not enjoy the out doors, sometimes on other peoples land? I'm mostly upset with the really up tight people that are assholes about ther land and horde a wonderful resource for themselves.

Public land is for public use. Private land is not for public use. "Enjoying" private land that isn't yours is against the law. Why should you get to use something that isn't yours? You wouldn't let someone come and enjoy your house without permission, would you?

I take issue with your comment about people being "assholes" about their property. You have serious issues about entitlement, Boone. Private property isn't a fucking "resource," dude. It's property. Owned by someone else. To do with what they will, within reason. I've never trespassed before. It is immensely disrespectful to trespass on someone's property. If you want to use something that belongs to someone else, don't you think you should ask them first?

[ravewoofer]

I'm intrigued with the public/private land issue as I'm a hunter from the north who hunts quite a bit down south and a little bit in AZ. In New England, particularly Maine, VT and western MA, I hunt on land that is not posted and may abut public lands. Sometimes, I'm with a local who has permission to be on the property (hunting guide), sometimes I have permission to be on the property because I've made the request and sometimes I'm there because it abuts public land. I've never felt as if I'm trespassing and never bumped into an owner to express his/her displeasure. However, if the land is posted, I'll just drive by to the next covert.

As a northerner, I notice a huge difference down south. If you don't own it, don't go on it! Dunno why, but I surely sense it. In fact, the whole hunting lease thing doesn't even exist up north. I wish it did, as I'd like to get my hands on a few honey holes myself!

I've hunted quail on Az public lands (seems to be quite a bit out there), never saw another hunter and have had some of the most awesome hunting in my life!

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by ravewoofer

I'm intrigued with the public/private land issue as I'm a hunter from the north who hunts quite a bit down south and a little bit in AZ. In New England, particularly Maine, VT and western MA, I hunt on land that is not posted and may abut public lands. Sometimes, I'm with a local who has permission to be on the property (hunting guide), sometimes I have permission to be on the property because I've made the request and sometimes I'm there because it abuts public land. I've never felt as if I'm trespassing and never bumped into an owner to express his/her displeasure. However, if the land is posted, I'll just drive by to the next covert.

As a northerner, I notice a huge difference down south. If you don't own it, don't go on it! Dunno why, but I surely sense it. In fact, the whole hunting lease thing doesn't even exist up north. I wish it did, as I'd like to get my hands on a few honey holes myself!

I've hunted quail on Az public lands (seems to be quite a bit out there), never saw another hunter and have had some of the most awesome hunting in my life!

I've hunted in Maine as well. It's just different. Hunting on private land here is the same as hunting on private land that is posted no hunting up there. It's trespassing.

[Boone]

Atticus (or anyone else) i am sorry if anything i said was disrespectful or problematic to any of you. I as said before, do not blame anyone for being protective of their land, i am simply asking questions as i am just curious on the topic. I can ensure you that i do not have entitlement issues and i really dont appreciate being acused of something. i am simply stating questions. As far as my land "use" goes i do enjoy going for walks/hikes. I consider this using someone elses land. I do not 4 wheel, hunt, trap, set fire, shoot guns, or anything else, just walk, in the woods. If i owned my own land, which some day i hope to, i will be more than happy to allow anyone that wishes to walk in my woods to do so, as long as thats all they do. If they do not ask permission and i find someone out walking i will not sweat that at all i will tell them that they should not invite friends etc. but as far as out enjoying scenery, go for it. If it turns into something else i will stop it.

[flintknapper]

Originally Posted by Boone

Atticus (or anyone else) i am sorry if anything i said was disrespectful or problematic to any of you. I as said before, do not blame anyone for being protective of their land, i am simply asking questions as i am just curious on the topic. I can ensure you that i do not have entitlement issues and i really dont appreciate being acused of something. i am simply stating questions. As far as my land "use" goes i do enjoy going for walks/hikes. I consider this using someone elses land. I do not 4 wheel, hunt, trap, set fire, shoot guns, or anything else, just walk, in the woods. If i owned my own land, which some day i hope to, i will be more than happy to allow anyone that wishes to walk in my woods to do so, as long as thats all they do. If they do not ask permission and i find someone out walking i will not sweat that at all i will tell them that they should not invite friends etc. but as far as out enjoying scenery, go for it. WHEN it turns into something else i will stop it.

Fixed it for ya.

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by Boone

Atticus (or anyone else) i am sorry if anything i said was disrespectful or problematic to any of you. I as said before, do not blame anyone for being protective of their land, i am simply asking questions as i am just curious on the topic. I can ensure you that i do not have entitlement issues and i really dont appreciate being acused of something. i am simply stating questions. As far as my land "use" goes i do enjoy going for walks/hikes. I consider this using someone elses land. I do not 4 wheel, hunt, trap, set fire, shoot guns, or anything else, just walk, in the woods. If i owned my own land, which some day i hope to, i will be more than happy to allow anyone that wishes to walk in my woods to do so, as long as thats all they do. If they do not ask permission and i find someone out walking i will not sweat that at all i will tell them that they should not invite friends etc. but as far as out enjoying scenery, go for it. If it turns into something else i will stop it.

All I'm accusing you of is trespassing. It would appear that I am correct about that, right?

[agomez]

Originally Posted by Boone

Atticus (or anyone else) i am sorry if anything i said was disrespectful or problematic to any of you. I as said before, do not blame anyone for being protective of their land, i am simply asking questions as i am just curious on the topic. I can ensure you that i do not have entitlement issues and i really dont appreciate being acused of something. i am simply stating questions. As far as my land "use" goes i do enjoy going for walks/hikes. I consider this using someone elses land. I do not 4 wheel, hunt, trap, set fire, shoot guns, or anything else, just walk, in the woods. If i owned my own land, which some day i hope to, i will be more than happy to allow anyone that wishes to walk in my woods to do so, as long as thats all they do. If they do not ask permission and i find someone out walking i will not sweat that at all i will tell them that they should not invite friends etc. but as far as out enjoying scenery, go for it. If it turns into something else i will stop it.

so then, you will not mind if me and my friends go hiking thru your yard when ever we feel like it?

[mkaustin]

Another problem w/ trespassing (even if they are just "out enjoying scenery") is that if they are too inconsiderate to ask permission, they are usually to inconsiderate to respect the land and the trails. Soon you have "new" trails that you didn't want and the little deer trail will soon be 3-4ft wide 'cause those "enjoying the scenery" are not caring about the land. ("It's not mine to worry about")

I just don't understand people who look at fences as just another obstacle to climb over along their path.

[Boone]

Ok well i'm out of this thread its obviously not making me any friends. for the record i'm not accusing anyone of anything or saying anything bad about anyones particular form of land preservation. I was simply asking questions and looking for info from different people about a simple topic. No one around where i live cares if i go on their land because they know i will respect it, i dont have to ask.

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by Boone

Ok well i'm out of this thread its obviously not making me any friends. for the record i'm not accusing anyone of anything or saying anything bad about anyones particular form of land preservation. I was simply asking questions and looking for info from different people about a simple topic. No one around where i live cares if i go on their land because they know i will respect it, i dont have to ask.

I don't own land because I consider it a form of land preservation. It is my property. You're talking about property rights.

[Darwood]

Originally Posted by Boone

Ok well i'm out of this thread its obviously not making me any friends. for the record i'm not accusing anyone of anything or saying anything bad about anyones particular form of land preservation. I was simply asking questions and looking for info from different people about a simple topic. No one around where i live cares if i go on their land because they know i will respect it, i dont have to ask.

It really sounds like you need to move out west. There is enough public land out there that you'll never feel the need to trespass.