Double Bull Matrix 360 archery blind on its way.....

[alex e]

Trad bow turkey hunt coming up April 4-7th in Sonora. Grabbed a new DB Matrix 360 off eBay pretty cheap for me and my father in law.
Anyone shoot their bow outta one of these?
What chair should I use/carry?
I'm shooting a 58" recurve Black Widow PSAV....Flint, you around?

[Fly Rod]

Alex,

I will make sure your Lieca is in your hands for your hunt. Have you been able to stand inside one? I just wonder about the interior hight.

[alex e]

Hey Fly Rod I appreciate it!
My understanding is the height is 5'9" so I am gonna be sitting or kneeling, since I'm about 5'10".
They are 6'5" wide though.

[highlandcruzer]

I use the folding, dove hunting type chairs. They're not all that comfortable, but they have a shoulder strap so they're easy to carry, light weight, fold up, and have pockets to store junk. range finders, grunt calls, drinks, etc.

[alex e]

Yeah that is what I was thinking, but maybe a swiveling chair would be good.

[highlandcruzer]

Originally Posted by alex e

Yeah that is what I was thinking, but maybe a swiveling chair would be good.

Maybe, but they can be noisy.

[T.U.F.F.]

I use a double bull blind for my daughters turkey hunting (W/shotgun) and we use seats I bought out of Cabela's years ago they are tri-fold swivel (with plastic ball bearings) the only time they are noisy is if you get grime in the little plastic balls. I cannot get on Cabela's thru gov't computer here so I cannot look up link. I am pretty sure they were like 39.00 about 3-4 years ago when I bougth ours.

Good luck

[kruzinboots]

If you happen to loan it out to someone hunting with a rifle or shotgun, make damn certain they know not to shoot through the netting, but to lift the netting up and shoot under it. I now have a pretty good sized hole in mine and doesn't look like the guy I loaned it out to, is going to do any thing about trying to fix it. Better yet, Don't loan it out!!

[Atticus]

Unless you are taking a kid hunting, using a ground blind to hunt turkeys is cheating.

[highlandcruzer]

Originally Posted by Atticus

Unless you are taking a kid hunting, using a ground blind to hunt turkeys is cheating.

With a bow ?........You're the man !























[I've done it. ONCE ]

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by highlandcruzer

With a bow ?........You're the man !























[I've done it. ONCE ]

Not with a bow. Period. Explain this to me: if you are using a ground blind, and are a good shot with a bow, what difference does it make if you are using the bow or not? I mean, if you're using a bow in the open woods, I am impressed. But, if you're in a blind, and know that you can hit the bird, your drawing back will be obscured by the blind. At that point, why is it that much more difficult?

I am sincere in my curiosity. If you want a challenge, just hunt turkeys with a shotgun. It's hard enough already.

[Brock]

I shoot a 62" Habu and a 64" osage flatbow out of my DB Matrix....you wont have a problem with your bow....but do practice out of it to see how close you can get to window and still shoot through it without impacting your limbs. Turkey dont like black holes so make sure to use the shoot through window....

yep turkey hunting without a blind is a challenge indeed...I have done it for 15 years with success a few times but drawing and shooting with traditional bow is different than using a steady shotgun or a compound at 75% letoff....so the movement gets you. I learned to place hen so tom will face away from me or he has to walk behind a tree or bush right before getting into a shooting zone.

with the blind it is more a matter of mental focus to concentrate on the spot and make a good shot with a bow... in my opinion. I have shot two toms without a blind...and not got one in the blind yet as last year was my first use of a blind.

[T.U.F.F.]

I use my blind for my daughters to hunt out of (9 and 13). The oldest is getting where she doesn't need it to conceal her movements. The little one on the other hand does good for about 1hr then she is Miss Fidget with everything.

I have been turkey hunting for alot of years and have killed 3 Toms with a bow 1 on the ground and 2 out of a tree stand. I agree completely with the challange of bow hunting without a blind but if you are calling a blind to bow hunt cheating, should we be using 10/12ga 3 1/2 in mags at 40+yds. I don't use my 10 or 12 ga very often anymore unless I am with my girls and backing them up. I use a 870 Express Jr 20ga and limit my shots to <25yds or so. I really like the little 20ga and it is all I need anymore.

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by T.U.F.F.

I use my blind for my daughters to hunt out of (9 and 13). The oldest is getting where she doesn't need it to conceal her movements. The little one on the other hand does good for about 1hr then she is Miss Fidget with everything.

I have been turkey hunting for alot of years and have killed 3 Toms with a bow 1 on the ground and 2 out of a tree stand. I agree completely with the challange of bow hunting without a blind but if you are calling a blind to bow hunt cheating, should we be using 10/12ga 3 1/2 in mags at 40+yds. I don't use my 10 or 12 ga very often anymore unless I am with my girls and backing them up. I use a 870 Express Jr 20ga and limit my shots to <25yds or so. I really like the little 20ga and it is all I need anymore.

I think concealing your movements is cheating. I don't care what kind of shotgun or bow you are using. Even the longest shots with a shotgun are well within the "danger zone" of the turkey.

I admire your use of the 20 ga for turkey hunting and close shots. That's cool.

Of course, judging by your pictures from earlier in the turkey hunting thread, the turkeys you shoot are very small. About the size of flies.

[alex e]

Dude, you try and hold a 57# recurve for more than 30 seconds. Let me know how you do. Ground blind is a necessity if you hope to draw on a turkey, and hit one, using traditional gear. Hitting a 4 inch spot with an arrow at -15-20 yards is a bit different than using a firearm at any range to hunt turkeys. With a bow, you're too close and their eyes are too good. If I wanted to just kill them I'd still be using a gun. It is said that a turkey bow kill is the most difficult feat a traditional bowyer can pull off.

Let's hear from some trad shooters out there. Back me up! (Flint!)


OR read this:

Trad Gang.com (tm): Turkeys without a blind

[Atticus]

I know that it's hard as hell. I don't question that for a second.

So, when you're using a ground blind with a shoot-through netting, you will concede that the challenge is now making the shot, and not drawing on the turkey?

[alex e]

Sure. I would rather try to make the shot, which is difficult enough, than go insane scaring them off with an elbow twitch.....at some point I'll try without the blind. Now a rifle and a blind is just plain boring to me......it does have its place though. The odds of stalking & killing a monster buck on the ground is far lower than my 30' tower where I can see for a mile. Depends on the mood you're in I guess. What about those guys with the trolling rigs? I think THAT is cheating. You might as well use a pack of dogs.

[highlandcruzer]

To me, the odds with a trad. bow, from the ground with no blind, would seem to be almost impossible. As in almost never. Unless you're Tred Barta, slinging arrows Robin hood style.


It's all about concealing the draaaaw......I've done it once, but it was just luck. IMO

How could you do it with out cover ? [ consistently] At what point in a Turkey hunt would you draw ? When his head goes behind a tree ? What if there's more than one bird ? You wouldn't have a chance in hell ! Sitting still with a shotgun in the open, waiting to squeeze off a shot, is a much easier game. I think it would be much harder to shoot one with a trad bow from a blind, than to shoot one in the open with a shotgun. Try it.

If you build a natural ground blind, as apposed to a fabric blind, what's the difference really ?

[T.U.F.F.]

Those fly size turkeys are harder to hit didn't you know that.

Seriously though is it cheating to plant for deer and turkey? The only thing I see as half @ss turkey hunting is limb lifting them. How hard is it to roost a bird then be sitting under the tree the next morning and shoot them out of the tree. I enjoy just trying to entice him into range and I live for the mornings where an old tom is gobbling his head off and puts on a show.

alex e-good luck with the recurve all mine were with compound and my old man calling.

[REKCUT]

You will love the double bull blind. I use the Double bull three leg chair they sell. It comes to a point in the front so you can draw while seated. If you wear black you can sit at the back with it open and no screen. I have used it around many turkeys with kids inside and the black opening has never bothered them. You do need to close the netting on deer because the black hole will bother them. I am 6 foot and can stand in the center with my head touching the roof. You will want to learn to shoot from the chair.

[REKCUT]

Originally Posted by Atticus

Unless you are taking a kid hunting, using a ground blind to hunt turkeys is cheating.

This to me is just like the vegetarian who wears leather shoes and belts. You think using a ground blind is cheating. Do you wear camo or is that cheating. Do use make your own bow and arrows or is that cheating. Do you hand make all you calls or is that cheating. You may thinks it more of a challange to hunt without one but it is also harder to hunt with a rock, but that does not make using a bow cheating. Cheating is killing one on a tree or using a rifle in bow season. You are using modern technology to hunt with so how is it you get to decide a blind is cheating. You want to hunt in the open, that great.

We need more people to take an interest in hunting and if a blind lets someone advance from a gun to a bow, then its a great tool. If it helps someone get there bird with a gun instead of giving up the sport then it wonderful. Whatever it takes to keep people hunting will help all of us in the long run.

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by REKCUT

This to me is just like the vegetarian who wears leather shoes and belts. You think using a ground blind is cheating. Do you wear camo or is that cheating. Do use make your own bow and arrows or is that cheating. Do you hand make all you calls or is that cheating. You may thinks it more of a challange to hunt without one but it is also harder to hunt with a rock, but that does not make using a bow cheating. Cheating is killing one on a tree or using a rifle in bow season. You are using modern technology to hunt with so how is it you get to decide a blind is cheating. You want to hunt in the open, that great.

We need more people to take an interest in hunting and if a blind lets someone advance from a gun to a bow, then its a great tool. If it helps someone get there bird with a gun instead of giving up the sport then it wonderful. Whatever it takes to keep people hunting will help all of us in the long run.

I agree with your sentiment. However, as one dedicated hunter to another, I personally think that if you are using a ground blind, you are cheating. I do not think it is cheating to use one if you are inexperienced, or "transitioning" from one kind of hunting to another.