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12-08-03, 05:57 AM
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...and it starts...
From 9:00am until 11:30 am Saturday, this happened...
From noon until 1:30pm, this happened...
the next few hours were spend cleaning off spring hanger brackets, rivits, etc and prepping everything...not quite done with that part yet, progress pics pending later this week....
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12-08-03, 06:32 AM
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I thought you were gonna stay SOA in the front?
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12-08-03, 06:46 AM
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[quote author=Gumby link=board=12;threadid=8547;start=msg72762#msg7276 2 date=1070890334]
I thought you were gonna stay SOA in the front?
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I am...didn't like the stock bumper, stock bracketry, etc....so a redesign up there as well....
"while I'm in there" hehehehe
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12-08-03, 08:23 AM
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What are you going to do on the rear suspension?
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12-08-03, 08:27 AM
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Re:...and it starts...
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12-08-03, 09:59 AM
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1 am assuming you are using 1/4 elliptical springs, are you using the fj springs cut down, or are you using another set?
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12-08-03, 10:00 AM
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[quote author=tewlman link=board=12;threadid=8547;start=msg72847#msg7284 7 date=1070902746]
1 am assuming you are using 1/4 elliptical springs, are you using the fj springs cut down, or are you using another set?
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off a chevy van...happened to have them laying around, they were a custom HD set on a 1/2 ton that towed a too-heavy trailer...IIRC, 7 leaves plus overload once done. Plan to mount outside the frame rails....that fab work is still in design stages...
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12-08-03, 01:09 PM
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I'd be very interested in seeing what you come up with for the front end, I'm not too happy with the stock Toyota configuration either.
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12-08-03, 03:12 PM
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I have heard that the 4 link needs to be located in line with the front of the driveshaft so that they can both flex (or pivot) together I would imagine. Do you know if that is correct?
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12-08-03, 05:25 PM
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Where did you come up with all of these???
Kowing you, ya' just pulled them out of your ass.......
Butch
Length of links: 35" uppers and lowers plus ~3" for heims
Final dimension on lower links, including sleeve: 1.5" OD, 5/8" ID, 7/16" wall
Final dimension on upper links: 1-1/4" OD, 5/8" ID, 5/16" wall
Verticle link separation at the axle: 8.5"
Verticle link separation at the frame: ~6"
Upper link separation at frame: ~28.5"
Lower link separation at frame: 31"
Lower link separation at axle: ~35.5"
Photos of the process:
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12-09-03, 05:47 AM
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[quote author=Texican link=board=12;threadid=8547;start=msg73044#msg7304 4 date=1070929513]
Where did you come up with all of these???
Kowing you, ya' just pulled them out of your ass.......
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lol....nope, those are the numbers....shamelessly taken from a handful of projects done at the Badlands Machine Shop, including SpaceGhost's FJ40. With a little luck I'll have the frame-side lower mounts tacked in tonight and have the whole setup under there to cycle by Saturday.
hehehe
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12-09-03, 06:30 AM
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Pictures, we want lots of detailed pictures!!!!!!!!!!!
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12-10-03, 09:05 PM
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tonights photos....
a> passenger side, where the solid-mount spring hanger used to be....
Last edited by woody; 07-14-04 at 08:29 PM.
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12-10-03, 09:06 PM
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and b> orientating the axle for link mount location....
two links are tapped/done, two only need the LH's done...hand tapping sucks...
Last edited by woody; 07-14-04 at 08:30 PM.
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12-10-03, 09:11 PM
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Woody-"hand tapping sucks... "
I knew there was a reason why I purchased that South-Bend... :-*
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12-10-03, 09:11 PM
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Oh...Durka Durka Durka.
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Oh yea...
Looks neat Brian...!!!
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12-10-03, 11:10 PM
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I'll feel like a High School freshman basketball player watching Michael Jordan play ball. This is stuff I really don't know.................................YET.
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12-11-03, 06:16 AM
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Everytime you hand tap one of those rods, go in the house and look up spidertrax's web site and check out the weld on inserts.
or you could come down to the Windy and use one of my South Bends.
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12-11-03, 11:13 AM
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I have had good luck using a drill once I get the tap in a few threads. I just go slow, but it is not nearly as slow as had tapping all the way.
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12-12-03, 09:13 PM
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Lookin' good wood.
Yup, I love my South Bend too! 8)
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12-13-03, 03:42 PM
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doesn't look like much got done today, but it took a LOT of measurements to get stuff where I was happy. The upper link frame side mount isn't in yet, still deciding on an "adjustable" mount or a single permanent one....
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12-13-03, 03:44 PM
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here's a shot of the frameside lower mount....like that positioning, should work well for slicking up/over the links too. Wheelbase is gonna end up right around 99-100" when done...tried to not push the rear back TOO much, I did "test place" a tire and I liked the look.
Last edited by woody; 07-14-04 at 08:32 PM.
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12-13-03, 03:56 PM
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Not a critique, more a question... why not go just inside the frame rails, but out to the same mount on the axle? Would give a little more triangulation, and you could tuck it up the ~2"...
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12-13-03, 04:08 PM
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referring to the lower links? If they were inside the frame rail, they'd go thru the frame on compression. Additionally, the flatter the links at "rest", the better. With the ramped mount, hanging up won't be an issue. Also, I want to maintain some separation between the upper and lower links at the frame-side, and moving the lowers higher would necessitate raising the uppers as well
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12-14-03, 12:38 PM
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Woody do you still have the old springs that you took off, if so do you want to sell them, I am in the process of doing a spring over and would like to do it like your old setup
Thanks
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12-14-03, 12:43 PM
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one is bent, and I plan to keep them for future projects.
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12-14-03, 12:48 PM
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my intention has been to mount the springs on the side of the frame for clearance issues, and to help keep the rig lower as a whole. However, the stock body mounts were in the way, and had to go...this is a shot of the PS mount
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12-14-03, 12:50 PM
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the modification consisted of relocating a new mount directly over the frame itself...as I removed the stockers, I noted they were in rough shape, and since that crosstube in my body is a 2x4, I feel this will also be a stronger mount for any future flops/rolls.
Last edited by woody; 07-14-04 at 08:33 PM.
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12-15-03, 11:12 AM
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12-15-03, 12:39 PM
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Re:...and it starts...
woody looks great so far,tell me where did you get those hiem brackets from from or did you fab them up ?and what size hiem,s are they?good luck on your project
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