[Mace]

dual mini tcases..

[chicago]

I had seen a write up in Petersons 4wheel n off road that I had saved...They had run the 4L60E to NP203/NP205. Doubled up it yielded a 4.2 to 1 crawl ratio just the boxes. A bit taller gearing than would be the split case, but it might save a few inches, be a bit stronger and possibly be cheaper?
Id need to center the rear diff though, which wouldnt be a BAD thing necessarily. However, Ive gotten used to the PS off set diff by now. Just kinda thinking out loud more than anything.

You mentioned that Woody was running stock mini truck IFS rear on his...seemed that it was a pretty good endorsement for that rear.
14 bolt...

Any thoughts?
Thanks for the help.

K

[Mace]

203 and 205's are cheap. THe adapter between them is not.

Woody has a hybrid, LC center section/mini outers.


14 bolt would be 8 lug

[brokenparts]

Originally Posted by Mace

203 and 205's are cheap. THe adapter between them is not.

Woody has a hybrid, LC center section/mini outers.


14 bolt would be 8 lug

ah they aren't that bad anymore and you can pick up a 203/205 doubler on Pirate for a decent price.

New ORD Doubler Kit - $600 - Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board

a dana 300 would be another decent choice.... more options for gearing with those too. JB conversions has some nice stuff for both the 205 and the 300..

Dana 300 Upgrades, Gears and Products

[rusty_tlc]

Originally Posted by brokenparts

14 bolt and a np 205... dont forget to twin stick it.

Brian, one of the old school BBCNN guys has an FJ40 with a 14 bolt. We always knew which line he took my the metal marks on the rocks. 14 bolts have BIG pumpkins.

[chicago]

The adapter for Mating the 203 to the split case is around 600.00 bucks with shipping from colorado off road. Not too light on the wallet IMO.
I think I know the answer to this, but Ill ask to be certain...the LC/ 60 series diffs are interchangeable with the mini housing, correct?
Or do I have that waaaay off.
One of the things that I like about the cruisers is the ability to swap front and rear thirds if necessary. This came in REAL HANDY on the Rubicon a couple years ago with Rusty TLC's rig. It was a PITA to do it, but we did it and got him off the trail under his own power.
That is one BIG reason Im hesitant to go with a different axle set up...that and cost of course. The other side of that is, I wheel almost exclusively with toyota folks. Not that Im snobbish, its just the way that it is. WHEN something happens and breaks, its better to be running gear that will be common in the group your with.
Im kinda weird like that I suppose, but...that's me.
I see the IFS rears being sold all the time here locally. If the 205 is a decent unit, I might consider that set up further. I have really never heard much about them either way, especially with cruisers.

K

[chicago]

Originally Posted by brokenparts

ah they aren't that bad anymore and you can pick up a 203/205 doubler on Pirate for a decent price.

New ORD Doubler Kit - $600 - Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board

a dana 300 would be another decent choice.... more options for gearing with those too. JB conversions has some nice stuff for both the 205 and the 300..

Dana 300 Upgrades, Gears and Products

Brokenparts...YOU ARE THE MAN with the links!
I was looking through the AA catalog and had seen the D300 t case...that is something to think about as well. I like the deeper gear set for 600 bucks.

Thanks for the hook up!

Keith

[brokenparts]

hahahaha, you should see my "bookmarks" tab.

205 are stupid strong and HEAVY... gears and case (I give my self a hernia whenever I have to move mine across the garage). I've never heard of anyone breaking one. 205s do have reputation for being a bit tough to shift at times though.

D300 are also pretty strong although I have heard of people breaking the cases in pretty extreme conditions. You can usually pick up a D300 for around $300 bucks and slowly build them into a ghetto mini atlas... although you do give up a bit in the strength of the case.

[Mace]

LC center section will not fit into a mini rearend. However, the mini rear axle tubes are the same OD as the cruiser axle ID. So you can slip fit them into a cruiser housing that has had it's tubes cut off.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/hardcore-cor...0-install.html

Woody's buildup that is basicaly what you are contemplating doing

A d300 witha 4:1 kit in it may be the best option

You can see the centered LC rear axle in the pic..

You also might want to consider how long the drivetrain is going to be with a 203/205. They are easy in a 60, but get real close in a 40...

[slvrbck]

Hey Kieth, I have an IFS mini rear that is 3 linked, comes with the upper Y link, 1 chromo shaft and 2 stock shafts. All you would need is to build lower links...which is easy....and buy airshocks/coilovers...just sayin...

[chicago]

Originally Posted by Mace

LC center section will not fit into a mini rearend. However, the mini rear axle tubes are the same OD as the cruiser axle ID. So you can slip fit them into a cruiser housing that has had it's tubes cut off.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/hardcore-cor...0-install.html

Woody's buildup that is basicaly what you are contemplating doing

A d300 witha 4:1 kit in it may be the best option

You can see the centered LC rear axle in the pic..

You also might want to consider how long the drivetrain is going to be with a 203/205. They are easy in a 60, but get real close in a 40...

Mace,
Do you think that it will be any longer than than the 203/ 19 spline route?
Damn...I was of the impression that the diffs would swap one to another. Thanks for clarifying that.

K

[chicago]

Originally Posted by Mace

LC center section will not fit into a mini rearend. However, the mini rear axle tubes are the same OD as the cruiser axle ID. So you can slip fit them into a cruiser housing that has had it's tubes cut off.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/hardcore-cor...0-install.html

Woody's buildup that is basicaly what you are contemplating doing

A d300 witha 4:1 kit in it may be the best option

You can see the centered LC rear axle in the pic..

You also might want to consider how long the drivetrain is going to be with a 203/205. They are easy in a 60, but get real close in a 40...

So you center the rear cruiser housing by way of slip fitting the mini housing!? Is that what was going on with "the Raisin" build there Woody did?
HUMPF...Interesting.

Granny Hansen is in town from Chicago, so I dont have time to read through the whole build...
Thanks for posting that link.

K

[chicago]

Originally Posted by slvrbck

Hey Kieth, I have an IFS mini rear that is 3 linked, comes with the upper Y link, 1 chromo shaft and 2 stock shafts. All you would need is to build lower links...which is easy....and buy airshocks/coilovers...just sayin...

Everyone LOVES the idea of ME doing the links.....

Thanks brotha!

K

[Fast Eddy]

Those _do_ look nice! Nice to meet ya!

[chicago]

Originally Posted by Fast Eddy

Those _do_ look nice! Nice to meet ya!

You too brotha!
Your doors came out awesome, especially the coat hanger latch!

Keith

[rusty_tlc]

Originally Posted by chicago

Everyone LOVES the idea of ME doing the links.....

Thanks brotha!

K

Okay, lets do mine instead.

If business picks up and I go back to full time I should have the funds by 2020.

[chicago]

Originally Posted by rusty_tlc

Okay, lets do mine instead.

If business picks up and I go back to full time I should have the funds by 2020.

Precisely WHY Im hell bent on running the leafs!

K

[rusty_tlc]

Originally Posted by chicago

Precisely WHY Im hell bent on running the leafs!

K

Actually I think I might be ready for a ghetto 4-link in a year or so.

[CreeperSleeper]

Originally Posted by chicago

So you center the rear cruiser housing by way of slip fitting the mini housing!? Is that what was going on with "the Raisin" build there Woody did?
HUMPF...Interesting.

Granny Hansen is in town from Chicago, so I dont have time to read through the whole build...
Thanks for posting that link.

K

You center the LC housing by using the mini truck tubes and the LC center section... That may be what you ment, but you confused the hell outta me!

[chicago]

Originally Posted by CreeperSleeper

You center the LC housing by using the mini truck tubes and the LC center section... That may be what you ment, but you confused the hell outta me!

Yeah, that is what I was TRYING to say.

K

[chicago]

Just to keep the thread alive...
I havent done A THING to the 40, which I am tentatively calling "THE BRUISE". Ive been spending my comp time on researching various things, scanning CL for cheap parts that I could use etc.
MOST important, Im trying to keep MY HEAD in the game of my priorities of this build. I find myself looking in 20 different directions to go and attempting to make them happen all at once.
So, Ive resolved to take it in stride, pull the tub get things cleaned up and GET THE RIG RUNNING with the new power train in FIRST and FOREMOST. Then I can worry about the REALLY FUN stuff. For now though, Ill have to frugally spend my money getting that accomplished.
My garage time has been spent STILL working on my friends door chop.
The first door is complete, and Im well into the second at this point in time.
So, work on the BRUISE should begin again in a couple of weeks which Im really looking forward to.

K

[chicago]

TUB IS FREEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Finally broke the window hinges free and pulled the windshield too.
Gotta do a tune up on my daughters 4 runner this weekend BEFORE I consume the garage TOTALLY and evict my wife from her beloved parking space for a while.

Keith

[rusty_tlc]

Let me know when you are going to take it off I'll come over and help.

I can hold your beer.

[bustanutley]

Originally Posted by chicago

Okay, since Im a CHEAP ASS...anything BUT the high dollar gear boxes. That crap will come later on.

An atlas really is the best deal, delaying the inevitable is expensive. Dual NP cases is stout, heavy and LOOOONG will very difficult to make work in a 40. Dana300 is a good choice but you are almost into an atlas by the time you have it built and it still isn't bullet proof by any means. I like dual toy cases but everyone in my group has broken parts in that setup, all sorts of different shit. They all have buyers remorse.

Spending now in the heart of your 4wheel drive system is cheaper, my 2 pennies

[Cruiserdrew]

I agree.

It's a 40. Can the idea of an auto tranny. SM465/Atlas would rock out and keep the driveline short. It would have lots of deep gears, and it would be super stout. If you keep Toyota axles, then substitute Orion for Atlas. My next 40 build will have a centered rear and Atlas. SM420 or 465 with your transfer of choice will be hard to beat for cost/utility etc. You can find them in working shape for $100.

Or SM420/Toybox2.8/Splitcase would be awesome as well, and can fit if you extend the wheel base. (SM420 saves 1.5 inches over SM465)

The problem with the NP203 doubler is that the adapters add a lot of length. Otherwise the 203 is a stout, heavy duty piece. I think, without measuring, that Auto trans + 203 doubler + adapters + transfer of choice will be too long for the FJ40's wheel base, even if extended.

I don't think there is a doubler shorter than Marlin's Toybox, so if you're going that route, keep the driveline length in mind.

[chicago]

Originally Posted by rusty_tlc

Let me know when you are going to take it off I'll come over and help.

I can hold your beer.

Thanks brotha!
Ill have one for you too. Is PBR okay!?

[chicago]

Originally Posted by Cruiserdrew

I agree.

It's a 40. Can the idea of an auto tranny. SM465/Atlas would rock out and keep the driveline short. It would have lots of deep gears, and it would be super stout. If you keep Toyota axles, then substitute Orion for Atlas. My next 40 build will have a centered rear and Atlas. SM420 or 465 with your transfer of choice will be hard to beat for cost/utility etc. You can find them in working shape for $100.

Or SM420/Toybox2.8/Splitcase would be awesome as well, and can fit if you extend the wheel base. (SM420 saves 1.5 inches over SM465)

The problem with the NP203 doubler is that the adapters add a lot of length. Otherwise the 203 is a stout, heavy duty piece. I think, without measuring, that Auto trans + 203 doubler + adapters + transfer of choice will be too long for the FJ40's wheel base, even if extended.

I don't think there is a doubler shorter than Marlin's Toybox, so if you're going that route, keep the driveline length in mind.

Im gonna find out one way or the other!

K

[rusty_tlc]

Originally Posted by Cruiserdrew

....

Or SM420/Toybox2.8/Splitcase would be awesome as well, and can fit if you extend the wheel base. (SM420 saves 1.5 inches over SM465)
....

If I had it to do over this is the exact set-up I wound use, except I'd go with 4.7:1 gears in the toy box.
I think it would be cheaper than the TB/Orion set up I have and a lot less hassle.

[Mace]

With the auto, you would not absolutely need a doubler.

[bustanutley]

front dig is awesome, just sayin..