Re-worked Hummer rims vs Internal Beadlocks versus Traditional Beadlocks

[Junk]

Anyone here ever get a set of Hummer rims re-worked to 17x8 with diff backspacking like 4.5"? If so, what was your experience like?

Going to 17" rims for next season and need to figure out what direction to go. I had the internal beadlocks and they worked great, but wondering about the hummer rims that are so cheap and thinking maybe something like Trail Ready beadlocks.

Thoughts? FYI these are for my piece of shit beater 80

[the shed guy]

chnage the internal beadlocks for secondair [Aus] ones, and keep them over mechanical locks, unless your looking at fitting mechanical locks tot he inner, and outer of the rim.

[LCOwner]

I bought a set of H2 wheels off ebay and am having Champion Wheel do the locks for me. When I get them back I'll post pics. Keep in mind the H2 wheel center hole is smaller than usual and may need to be machined out. http://championwheel.com

[zebrabeefj40]

Those H2 wheels are sweet but the 80 series uses 6 lugs instead of 8 lugs like the H2 IIRC. I'm sure that John at Stazworks can build Junk any combination of rim diameter, backspace and lug pattern he wants for the cost of another set of the internal inflatable locks.

I still think the internal locks are cool though.

Nick Jennings

[Gumby]

The H1 uses 8 lugs, but I think the H2 might use the Chevy 6 on 5-1/2. which fits Toyota except for the center

[Isotel]

Nope, Bothe H1 and H2 are 8 lug, will fit on Chevy 8 lug stuff.. Dana 60's ect..

if your talking about H1 they are stock hummer wheels that are 16.5" with a high offset, like 6 inches or somthing.. some came with Double beadlocks.. these are great to use on full width axles, because they effectivly narrow the overall width..


the H2 wheels are aloy of some sort and are not beadlocks 17" wheels and look cool, Plus they can be picked up cheep on e-bay w/ some BFG AT.. from those big ballers switching to low profiles on 26" Bling

Lots of info on Pirate about using the H1's.. now back to my INFS 340 Class!!!

[the shed guy]

Originally Posted by zebrabeefj40

Those H2 wheels are sweet but the 80 series uses 6 lugs instead of 8 lugs like the H2 IIRC. I'm sure that John at Stazworks can build Junk any combination of rim diameter, backspace and lug pattern he wants for the cost of another set of the internal inflatable locks.

I still think the internal locks are cool though.

Nick Jennings

The internal bead locks are about $200 Aus ea, and they lock the inner and outer bead

They also make the tyre sidewall more stable at low pressure, making for better handling, especially on side slopes etc, when the tyres are low pressure.

[zebrabeefj40]

Shed guy,

I didn't realize the cost on those was quite that affordable. I have seen the one's that Junk currently has on his clunker. Even borrowed them for a day of wheeling with my 40. I really liked how they worked. Another plus is the local law enforcement folks don't know they're on the truck at a glance like conventional beadlocks.

The only down side I noticed was that they were HEAVY. Never though the 40's brakes were lacking until I had to stop those babies! (36x13.5x16 Swamper TSL's on OEM FZJ80 steel wheels with internal beadlocks=lots of rotating weight!) But I doubt any of the solutions are going to be much less than that.



Nick Jennings

[Junk]

Nick,
I could be wrong, but I think I remember reading the Secondairs were lighter than the Tirelocs. But then again, those rims you had on were about 45 lbs each + the 36 tire and likely a groundhog or two that got inside

The Hummer rims I was talking about were not the H2, but were the double beadlocks. As soon as I figure out if I'm going with 17x8 or 17x10, I'll likely order up the Secondairs. I was also considering alloy traditional beadlocks due to the weight savings. You can't use the internal beadlocks on alloy rims from what I can remember. Not sure why though.

Shed, are the washers steel on those the secondairs or plastic like the tirelocs? Also, do they have the flap valve?

[T Y L E R]

Junk , what rubber are you going to mount on the 17" ?

TY

[zebrabeefj40]

Originally Posted by Junk

Nick,
I could be wrong, but I think I remember reading the Secondairs were lighter than the Tirelocs. But then again, those rims you had on were about 45 lbs each + the 36 tire and likely a groundhog or two that got inside

The Hummer rims I was talking about were not the H2, but were the double beadlocks. As soon as I figure out if I'm going with 17x8 or 17x10, I'll likely order up the Secondairs. I was also considering alloy traditional beadlocks due to the weight savings. You can't use the internal beadlocks on alloy rims from what I can remember. Not sure why though.

Shed, are the washers steel on those the secondairs or plastic like the tirelocs? Also, do they have the flap valve?

Not to mention the tires were square! Damn near lost a fender on the ride to Paragon!

John at Stazworks makes the double beadlock wheels patterned after the H1 wheels only in whatever size you like. I think he's a vendor on Pirate otherwise a search there will turn up examples of his work and contact info. Makes a nice product from what I saw of Foxfab's comp buggy wheels.

The only reason I can think of to not use internal locks on alloy wheels would be the thinkness of the wheel. The cross section of the wheels may be too thick for the valve stem of the lock. Spotfacing the hole around the valve stem would solve that issue IMHO. Some I know has a mill that could take care of that!

Nick

[Junk]

Originally Posted by zebrabeefj40

Makes a nice product from what I saw of Foxfab's comp buggy wheels.

Hmm, interesting. Good to know thanks. Will ask Mike what he thinks of them too.

Originally Posted by misguidedsoul called zebrabeefj40

Spotfacing the hole around the valve stem would solve that issue IMHO.

If that's the only reason, then it shouldn't be bad to do that if it doesn't change the structural integrity of the rim.

[zebrabeefj40]

Originally Posted by Junk

If that's the only reason, then it shouldn't be bad to do that if it doesn't change the structural integrity of the rim.

A second valve stem hole and spot face will not harm the structure of the wheel any more than the hole already there to put air in the tire. Just don't go nuts with an end mill and carve away a 3" square patch of metal for a 1/2" hole. You might also be able to use a threaded valve stem extension on the beadlock to limit the metal removal needed.

Nick

[Mace]

Short of a H2 rim 17" hummer rims are almost unobtanium..

16.5 is the norm..

For the 80 get a set of TR beadlocks and call it good. They are VERY nice.

[the shed guy]

Junk,
secondairs now come with a 8mm motorbike valve instead of the 16mm tractor valve, so fitting is easier, they have STEEL washers, and o ring, and a better idea than the rubber flap on the tyrelocs.

tyrlocs suck, secondairs rock!

And I can post them to you as a supplier, if anyone wants them.

secondair fitting instructions

[Curran]

Is there a US distributor for the Secondairs?

Here is the link to the Stazworks post on Pirate The wheels look sweet but a set of 17 in rims start at $250 each!

[Junk]

Curran, those prices ares still wicked cheaper than alloy rims with secondairs added on. Tell you what though, you only need beadlocks once to make it worth it They saved my ass twice, so that's got me sold.

Shed - once you're done jerking off on the Prado, hit me on chat please

[foxfab]

BEst F'ing rim out there, hands down.

[HI^C]

Completely just asking as i am curious,

Why run a 17" rim with 17" tires?

when 15" rims fit, cost less, and more of them, and where 15" tires costs less lot more variety and more of them.

Weight of a double beadlock.

17" rims can be found all over the OEM markets. H2 rims are like an ugly step child, everyone wants to get rid of them. and there are a crap ton of them.

[Gumby]

Those are nice damn rims. Wish I had a grand laying around.

[the shed guy]

[quote=Curran]Is there a US distributor for the Secondairs?


Re read my post, i can post them to anywhere.

[foxfab]

Because 37" Krawlers only come in 17"?

The weight of my SW double beadlocks vs. my previous Rockstomper weld on single beadlocks is marginal. 5 lbs a rim maybe?

Gumby, a grand would only get you 2.75 rims, they're $350 a rim with the rock rings and double beadlocks. Stazworks can make any rim size up to a 22" and any width imaginable all with custom center sections, and backspacing. Say if you wanted a company logo cut into the center section, he could do it.

[TxCruzr]

foxfab, those rims blow. I will dispose of them for you. Hell, I'll even pay shipping.

[Mace]

Because as you get to larger tires the sidewall becomes a problem.

Lots of wheel hop issues were solved when the larger rim sizes started to get popular..

Also, to keep overall width low on big axles you typically have to run a bigger rim to fit over the brakes..

[LCOwner]

Originally Posted by HI^C

Why run a 17" rim?

Because they fit over big breaks and as stated above, some tires only come in 17 inch.

Originally Posted by HI^C

17" rims can be found all over the OEM markets. H2 rims are like an ugly step child, everyone wants to get rid of them. and there are a crap ton of them.

Well if you buy wheels for you rig to be "pretty" then I hope they serve you well in the mall parking lot. Thank God there are a lot of them out there too because they're cheap which lets me spend more money on other things.

[HI^C]

37" krawler in a 17, yep. Good to see the highest $$$$ sponser and highest $$$$ in advertising getting some money from other none sponsered rigs.

There are other tires, the whole bandwagon is just not me.

THe weight comment was directed more towards, DBs vs the alloy secondairs, just out of my curiousity. rough guess DB vs a single beadlock is going to be more towards 10 lbs or more each.

Shed say you can ship them!!!!! we really dont post (send) items we ship, lol it was confusing. i guess send would work also.

Mace i assume your commenting towards me,

larger tires sidewall? well depends how you think it is a bad to have.
wheel hop and larger rims really have nothing to do with each other. Other then same size tire on one 15 and one 17, the 15 will be able to have a larger contact patch, then the 17 rim will allow, equal to equal. So effectively the 17 yields less traction which in a way leads to less wheel hop.

the less sidewall of the 17 would give a more rigid feel, but so would using different psi in the tire on the smaller 15.

driving style and the way the rig is setup well thats different.

i was limiting discussion to 17s where 15s would fit, but 17s on 1tons are still limited to 42 iroks or 40 mtrs, which isnt enough selection to play with yet.

LC posted right before i posted
i was limiting to 17s were 15s fit, still stuck with a rim with litte tire choice for the 1 tons.

the hummer comment i made, was saying they are everywhere and they are cheap, because most people do not want them. that was it. beadlocking a set would be entertaining, hmmm no time to play with these.

[LCOwner]

IIRC there was a thread on the PBB about the contact patch issue and on tires over 35 inch the contact patch didn't change.

Face it 15 inch wheels are old school. You cant even buy an American light truck with 15 inch wheels.

I think if you look companys like Toyo ,Maxxis & Pro Comp are making tires well suited for trail use.

[Mace]

Originally Posted by HI^C

37" krawler in a 17, yep. Good to see the highest $$$$ sponser and highest $$$$ in advertising getting some money from other none sponsered rigs.

There are other tires, the whole bandwagon is just not me.

THe weight comment was directed more towards, DBs vs the alloy secondairs, just out of my curiousity. rough guess DB vs a single beadlock is going to be more towards 10 lbs or more each.

Shed say you can ship them!!!!! we really dont post (send) items we ship, lol it was confusing. i guess send would work also.

Mace i assume your commenting towards me,

larger tires sidewall? well depends how you think it is a bad to have.
wheel hop and larger rims really have nothing to do with each other. Other then same size tire on one 15 and one 17, the 15 will be able to have a larger contact patch, then the 17 rim will allow, equal to equal. So effectively the 17 yields less traction which in a way leads to less wheel hop.

the less sidewall of the 17 would give a more rigid feel, but so would using different psi in the tire on the smaller 15.

driving style and the way the rig is setup well thats different.

i was limiting discussion to 17s where 15s would fit, but 17s on 1tons are still limited to 42 iroks or 40 mtrs, which isnt enough selection to play with yet.

LC posted right before i posted
i was limiting to 17s were 15s fit, still stuck with a rim with litte tire choice for the 1 tons.

the hummer comment i made, was saying they are everywhere and they are cheap, because most people do not want them. that was it. beadlocking a set would be entertaining, hmmm no time to play with these.

The Krawler is an awesome tire period. If you want the best you have to pay.

Why does a DB have to weigh that much more than a SB??? on a 3K pound rig do you think that the extra 10 lbs per tire would matter??? DB are not mandatory but they are VERY nice.

When you power up a low psi tire you will wrinkle the sidewall a bit. That is lessened on a larger rim. Additionally, you will get less sidewall flex when going around corners.
There is actually a reason that people run larger rims on rockcrawlers and on sports cars.

Contact patch is not all that it is cracked up to be. If it was, why do most of the people out there like the tall skinny's??? more rigid sidewalls allow for less air in the tire and more of a contact patch forward to back than side to side..

15's fit on almost anything.
Pro comp, maxxis, swamper, BF goodrich, Goodyear, etc all make a 17" rim tire. How many choices do you want???


And the beadlock h2 rim actually looks kinda cool.
look up gohumvee.com and see what Tim is doing..