VW TDI in a fj40?

concretejungle · 04-04-08, 09:47 AM

Is this a possibility? I have not done any research but was thinking about it the other day for my 80. I would imagine the HP and torque figures would be too low to move a tankership like the 80, but perhaps would be good for a 40? Anyone look into this swap?

I also think that finding a wrecked TDI is somewhat possible now?

any insight would be appreciated.

Pacer · 04-04-08, 10:22 AM

would be possible, I think the bolt pattern is the same as a VR6 (and that has been done here on Mud) but you better have a lot of gears. Go on and get outa that box!!

Mace · 04-04-08, 10:50 AM

My lord that sounds like a bad idea..

But who knows.. Do it and let us know how it works for ya

maximBJ70 · 04-04-08, 10:57 AM

been talked about many times over. Do a search and you'll find some interesting responses. I love the great ideas

Stumpalama · 04-04-08, 11:04 AM

It's been done in Samis... but you can just about deadlift one of those.

4WDBetterthan2feet · 04-04-08, 11:20 AM

They have done this w/ minitrucks w/ good results. There is a company that sells adapters for this. ACME ADAPTERS - About

BiffS · 04-04-08, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pacer

would be possible, I think the bolt pattern is the same as a VR6 (and that has been done here on Mud) but you better have a lot of gears. Go on and get outa that box!!

If you're referring to mine, it was and AFC block. Different pattern from VR6.

a TDI would be fine, but a little light on the overall numbers without regearing and dual cases. My AFC pulls great now with 4.88s on 35s. dual 2.82 cases.

FJ40Jim · 04-04-08, 01:16 PM

Sure it's possible. But you'll need a wheelbarrow full of money.

The V10 TDI from a Touareg 4x4 will run about 10,000USD for a used one w/ ancillaries. And then there will be adapters and mounts. And a custom chip from Rocketchip will be needed to get the engine to run without the instrument cluster and immobilizer.

Although a lightweight 350hp diesel would be amusing....

JoeCanadian · 04-04-08, 07:03 PM

why not a 3b? vw tdi, sounds hack to me

attatoy · 04-04-08, 07:24 PM

VW...................Yuk

Tapage · 04-04-08, 07:58 PM

Make your life easier .. get a 12H-T / 1HD-T or a 4BT and swap in .. far more easy !

concretejungle · 04-05-08, 04:43 PM

OK, sounds more like a minitruck project.

tehcruiser · 04-05-08, 05:27 PM

I've thought about putting a Dodge/Mercedes Sprinter diesel engine into a 40. Those in-line 5 engines get around 22-25 mpg, and that's hauling around a huge van.

Pacer · 04-06-08, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tehcruiser

I've thought about putting a Dodge/Mercedes Sprinter diesel engine into a 40. Those in-line 5 engines get around 22-25 mpg, and that's hauling around a huge van.

X2, and a 60--mmmm!

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiffS

If you're referring to mine, it was and AFC block. Different pattern from VR6.

a TDI would be fine, but a little light on the overall numbers without regearing and dual cases. My AFC pulls great now with 4.88s on 35s. dual 2.82 cases.

Yes, I was thinking of your build when I mentioned the VDubb swap, thanks for clarifying.

GRM · 04-07-08, 10:24 AM

I dont think its enough power.

I'll recommend the swap to you (I keep saying it... hoping someone does it), Use the Audi 5 cyl diesel that came in volvo sedans in the 80s. They used the same transmission as a toyota mini truck, so you can use the inchworm toyota auto trans adapter to a mini truck transfer case, then a marlin rockbox setup to the LC case. Seems easier to me, with a motor that is easier to find in wrecking yards for a decent price.

FJ40Jim · 04-08-08, 12:32 AM

Quote:

I'll recommend the swap to you (I keep saying it... hoping someone does it), Use the Audi 5 cyl diesel that came in volvo sedans in the 80s.

The VW/Audi IDI diesel engines are semi-modular, sharing some parts throughout the 3,4,5,6 cylinder versions.
The 5 cyl was only available in US in the Audi 5000, for a few years, roughly 79-82. They were NA the first year or two, then TD was offered optionally. TD was available longer in Canada.

Volvo bought the inline 6 version of the engine from VW truck. It is 2.4L, but only ~80HP NA in the 240 body, and 105HP TD in the 740 body.

Quote:

They used the same transmission as a toyota mini truck, so you can use the inchworm toyota auto trans adapter to a mini truck transfer case, then a marlin rockbox setup to the LC case.

Both diesel versions were backed up w/ the Volvo M46 cast iron toploader four speed w/ optional electric O/D. The ZF slushbox was available optionally.

The B23 gas engine family, which is a volvo design engine, is available w/ the same Aisin/Warner automatics that were in minitruck. The manual trannys are again the M46 or M47 5speed. There have been some conversions done to install the toyota supra 5-speed behind the highly modified turbo gas engines. But there is no reason for a conversion BH to swap a toyota tranny behind the diesel, because the diesels are nowhere near the limits of power for the cast-iron Volvo tranny.

There are adapters available to bolt a toyota or sammy transmission behind a VW 3 or 4 cylinder, but there are none AFAIK to adapt the 5or 6 cylinder to a toyota transmission. The two engine families are very differnt looking at the ends of the blocks.

Is this too far off-topic?

Sorry.

Kristoffer · 05-01-08, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FJ40Jim

Volvo bought the inline 6 version of the engine from VW truck. It is 2.4L, but only ~80HP NA in the 240 body, and 105HP TD in the 740 body.

DO NOT use those engine, its crap -- REALLY crap. They blow the top faster then you can replace them. If you want to install a TDI from VW/Audi. Get the one from 1995 and up. In my opinion they are still to weak to put in to your 4x4

You are much better off getting the Toyota 3B engine and mounting a turbo and intercooler on it. The powerband and RPM will fit your offroad needs much better than the highreving TDI's you mentioned before.

The 3B engine is cheaper as well, if you add the spareparts, gear, repaircs ect..

Hilux · 05-02-08, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by concretejungle

Is this a possibility? I have not done any research but was thinking about it the other day for my 80. I would imagine the HP and torque figures would be too low to move a tankership like the 80, but perhaps would be good for a 40? Anyone look into this swap?

I also think that finding a wrecked TDI is somewhat possible now?

any insight would be appreciated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HZJ60 Guy

Yes sir. 2001 TDI Jetta. 146hp 230+ ft torque!!!

And 60 MPG.

.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by toy lux

1hz's are the most common engines in 80's here in aus, they are a dime a dozen. As for trade you send me a fully rebuilt 350 and i'll send you the 1hz, lol

04-04-08, 09:47 AM	#1
concretejungle IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Cadillac TLCA# 14646 Posts: 6,238	VW TDI in a fj40? Is this a possibility? I have not done any research but was thinking about it the other day for my 80. I would imagine the HP and torque figures would be too low to move a tankership like the 80, but perhaps would be good for a 40? Anyone look into this swap? I also think that finding a wrecked TDI is somewhat possible now? any insight would be appreciated. __________________ 95' FZJ80 OME med./J lift, ARB rack, ARB Bull Bar w/tmax 12,500, 35" truxus, Aussie locker-rear, Center Diff Lock, Sliders, IPOR Skid, IPOR rear bumper, upgraded slee sticker, custom dents, more to come. . . Remember it's a gateway drug, so it will actually lead to "crystal meh".

04-04-08, 10:22 AM	#2
Pacer IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Phila Posts: 88	would be possible, I think the bolt pattern is the same as a VR6 (and that has been done here on Mud) but you better have a lot of gears. Go on and get outa that box!! __________________ Pacer 1972 r75/5 1974 r90/6 1989 fj62 2002 325xit

04-04-08, 10:50 AM	#3
Mace what he said Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 11,207	My lord that sounds like a bad idea.. But who knows.. Do it and let us know how it works for ya __________________ I am kinda gay....... My Myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=75712409 "Mary Poppins: In every job that must be done, there is an element of fun. You find the fun and - SNAP - the job's a game."

04-04-08, 10:57 AM	#4
maximBJ70 IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Winnipeg TLCA# 13962 Posts: 97	been talked about many times over. Do a search and you'll find some interesting responses. I love the great ideas __________________ --- 1986 BJ70 w/ OME - soon to be locked & loaded. 1982 BJ42 Stock w/ 84000km original clicks (soon to have OME) currently in "tear down"

04-04-08, 11:04 AM	#5
Stumpalama I need a new Avatar :( Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Philly Burbs, PA TLCA# 6451 Posts: 599	It's been done in Samis... but you can just about deadlift one of those. __________________ -Stumpalama 1981 FJ40 "The Tick" ROTW thread 1997 LX 450 factory lockers, OME lift, new HG & PHH, ARB bullbar, Warn M12000 winch, Kaymar Rear Rubicon Pics http://www.flickr.com/photos/stumpst...690384/detail/ Check out VICruisers at: http://members.shaw.ca/VICruisers/

04-04-08, 11:20 AM	#6
4WDBetterthan2feet IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 268	They have done this w/ minitrucks w/ good results. There is a company that sells adapters for this. ACME ADAPTERS - About __________________ "I would not shit you, you are my favourite turd"

04-04-08, 01:16 PM	#8
FJ40Jim Cruiser Curmudgeon Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lancaster, Ohio, USA TLCA# 1914 Posts: 3,354	Sure it's possible. But you'll need a wheelbarrow full of money. The V10 TDI from a Touareg 4x4 will run about 10,000USD for a used one w/ ancillaries. And then there will be adapters and mounts. And a custom chip from Rocketchip will be needed to get the engine to run without the instrument cluster and immobilizer. Although a lightweight 350hp diesel would be amusing.... __________________ Thanks, Jim C. TLC Performance Underhood Janitor, cleaning up other people's since 1988. Buy my Ebay junk!

04-04-08, 07:03 PM	#9
JoeCanadian IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Campbell River BC on Vancouver Island in Canada on Earth Posts: 227	why not a 3b? vw tdi, sounds hack to me __________________ BJ60 TURBO 3B ,2 1/4" exaust pipe, Custom rear frame and 33x12.5/r15 Hankook Dynamic MT, bj74 springs frunt and rear, fixed 90% of body rust and painted metallic money green and truckbed liner. her name is "The Screaming Green Submarine"

04-04-08, 07:24 PM	#10
attatoy IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 67	VW...................Yuk

04-05-08, 04:43 PM	#12
concretejungle IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Cadillac TLCA# 14646 Posts: 6,238	OK, sounds more like a minitruck project. __________________ 95' FZJ80 OME med./J lift, ARB rack, ARB Bull Bar w/tmax 12,500, 35" truxus, Aussie locker-rear, Center Diff Lock, Sliders, IPOR Skid, IPOR rear bumper, upgraded slee sticker, custom dents, more to come. . . Remember it's a gateway drug, so it will actually lead to "crystal meh".

04-05-08, 05:27 PM	#13
tehcruiser IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: nw Posts: 153	I've thought about putting a Dodge/Mercedes Sprinter diesel engine into a 40. Those in-line 5 engines get around 22-25 mpg, and that's hauling around a huge van. __________________ Move along folks, nothing to see here!

04-07-08, 10:24 AM	#15
GRM Profesional at Something Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: West Coast Hometown: Morgan Hill, Ca TLCA# 16721 Posts: 169	I dont think its enough power. I'll recommend the swap to you (I keep saying it... hoping someone does it), Use the Audi 5 cyl diesel that came in volvo sedans in the 80s. They used the same transmission as a toyota mini truck, so you can use the inchworm toyota auto trans adapter to a mini truck transfer case, then a marlin rockbox setup to the LC case. Seems easier to me, with a motor that is easier to find in wrecking yards for a decent price. __________________ ----Bottoms Up 4wd Club----- --Toyota Trail Teams-- www.toyota.com/fjtrailteam I4WDTA Certified Trainer

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