wanted - pics of cage to frame tie in

awp_cruiser · 03-23-08, 02:07 PM

Anyone have images of cage to frame connections they don't mind sharing?

Thanks,

Andy

Isotel · 03-23-08, 07:19 PM

These come with the fj60 Cage Kit..

crusier72 · 03-23-08, 08:09 PM

I have some in my ROTM

gladly · 03-23-08, 08:16 PM

here are some from the metaltech site
Metal Tech Cage Products

camcruiser13 · 03-23-08, 10:27 PM

isotels will eliminate some viberation. i like that

LC_Hamma · 03-23-08, 10:37 PM

I used both body outriggers for the front tie ins:

Isotel · 03-24-08, 12:36 AM

Yea, on my 40 my Body mounts are Beat!, The just hang too low, Im going to do away with the body mount and have one new mount that ties in the body/ Cage..

awp_cruiser · 03-24-08, 07:11 PM

Thanks for the posts guys.

Does anyone have experience with both the hard connection or the isolated bushing one? I am doubtful if there is really that much vibration from the cage - maybe I am wrong?! Besides, wouldn't the hard connection also serve to stiffen the frame up?

I actually got a couple of the outriggers off a wrecked frame for the back of the sliders and "b" pillar of the cage. I haven't put too much thought into this but the general idea was to use 2 outriggers on each side (with some moderate reinforcements) to tie the sliders and the cage to the frame. Then plating the bottom as a skids (or boatsides in other words) to keep the bashing to a minimum. I haven't figured out how to keep them from collecting... mud.

Francesco_from_Italy · 03-26-08, 04:15 AM

That's what I've done:

Hope will help you!

Francesco

yzftaco · 03-26-08, 10:21 PM

Here's a pic of how mine are done... FC Style...

(click on pic)

(this is a picture of another rig, but mine is done exactly the same...)

The flat plate on top of the slider tie-in, is the mount for my A-pillar

awp_cruiser · 03-27-08, 10:34 AM

YZF,

I check in on your build over on pirate every so often. Killer fenders! FC comes up with some great stuff and really raises the bar. Thanks for reminding me of that image. I'll keep that one in the back of my head for sure!

Andy

yzftaco · 03-27-08, 11:07 AM

Right on Thanks!

Yeah FC does some Incredible work! Wish I had half that talent..

I'm in the process of painting the aprons, and skins.. Gonna look good! I'll post up in that thread once I'm done.. (probably a week or two) Too busy with wedding planning stuff right now..

awp_cruiser · 03-27-08, 07:02 PM

I just got married in December. I feel your pain!

I'll keep an eye out for the painted product. Get those latches too while your at it!

If you get a chance, please post up a few pics of the top side of the connection of the tube relative to the door jamb. If you have some pics of the rear connections too that would be much appreciated.

Thanks again!

Andy

77TLCFJ40 · 03-27-08, 07:55 PM

Is it best to put the bushing at the frame or under the floor?

Sources for the bushed sleve, bolt & tabs?

Thanks

yzftaco · 03-28-08, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awp_cruiser

I just got married in December. I feel your pain!

I'll keep an eye out for the painted product. Get those latches too while your at it!

If you get a chance, please post up a few pics of the top side of the connection of the tube relative to the door jamb. If you have some pics of the rear connections too that would be much appreciated.

Thanks again!

Andy

Andy,

Do you mean pics of the "A Pillar" connection for the roll cage? The body being on the frame will be tough to get an aerial shot of the sliders...

I'll crawl under the rig and get some close up shots of the top side of the slider connections this weekend...

I don't have frame tie-ins for the B and C pillars yet.. Those are on the list of many things to do in the future...

Cheers

Mark

awp_cruiser · 03-28-08, 10:48 AM

Thank YZF,

Yeah, I was looking for where the A pillar plate connects to the slider bracket above and below the tub. I lapsed on my star so my box was full. Problem fixed now and should be up and running shortly! Sorry about that.

For the B and C connections I am sure FC has a killer detail cooking in his brain.

OpTimuS · 04-26-08, 04:16 AM

come on guys does anyone have any good photos of frame to cage connections?

Mace · 04-26-08, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OpTimuS

come on guys does anyone have any good photos of frame to cage connections?

The pics shown are not good?

LC_Hamma · 04-26-08, 02:08 PM

Full 8 pt. cage tied into frame on my 55 - pic shows 2 tied into the front outriggers (1st & 3rd one).

OpTimuS · 04-26-08, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mace

The pics shown are not good?

thats correct. they all suck.

Just kidding. I am a glutton for punishment.
The more pics the better as I am sure that this subject will come up again and again, and the more ideas the better. (oh and I freikin look forward to seeing what awesome ideas you yanks come up with everyday!

)

camcruiser13 · 05-01-08, 01:25 PM

i think the top three photos sum it up?

basic idea, and you can go beyond that but all the same in the end.

speaking of which i got to get mine on

OpTimuS · 05-03-08, 08:56 PM

Is that setup going to bete same as what Isotel is using?

What dia bolts are you using?

camcruiser13 · 05-05-08, 02:37 PM

pretty much yes.

bolts i will go measure

awp_cruiser · 05-15-08, 11:04 PM

So I am still working through the frame tie in connections.

I have one question that I hope you guys can help clear up for me -

Is it better to isolate the cage from vibrations, or stiffen the frame with welded connections?

I get a pretty good amount of twisting in the frame when it's flexed out. Generally speaking I think that is a less desireable characteristic. But I do DD it and vibrations are really wearing on the rig and me.

Thanks for the posts and pics so far!

Andy

Isotel · 05-16-08, 02:00 AM

I Welded my Frame, Body, Cage, and Slider all Together, and there was no noticeable difference between now and before the cage w/30 year old Body mounts. If any thing it feels Better!

Frame Flex is not as bad as it was, Here are some bad photos of my frame Ties, Only the 4 around the front seats are done for now, still need to figure out the Rear ones without having my tire get up into it!

03-23-08, 02:07 PM	#1
awp_cruiser Rookie with a torch. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 276	wanted - pics of cage to frame tie in Anyone have images of cage to frame connections they don't mind sharing? Thanks, Andy __________________ 1973 FJ40 - So far: V8, SM465, Scout PS, SR, SOA, 55 springs, 4WDB, Painless, Revolvers, 37's, Still to come: Cage, ARBs, Orion

03-23-08, 07:19 PM	#2
Isotel IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Crawlorado.com TLCA# 16898 Posts: 2,895	These come with the fj60 Cage Kit.. __________________ 1976 FJ40 TBI350 700R4 D300 SOA Locked 37" PBR's Protected by REDLINE Colorado Land Cruisers - Club Redline Land Cruisers - Safety First CrAwLoRadO.com - Just Check it out

03-23-08, 08:09 PM	#3
crusier72 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 217	I have some in my ROTM __________________ My ROTM http://forum.ih8mud.com/ma-nh-yankee-toys/169622-rotm-%7C%7C-august.html http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1ti8d/turbo4runner/

03-23-08, 10:27 PM	#5
camcruiser13 Me and my Big Wheel Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in the garage after dark in UT Posts: 5,006	isotels will eliminate some viberation. i like that __________________ cc ------------- 76' fj40 camcrusier13 build threads the following are links, just click, go on try it Traction Bar Sliders Ram Assist Bumper Poison Spider Style Shackle Reversal Half Doors if your doing it im sure ive done it, need help just ask.......

03-23-08, 10:37 PM	#6
LC_Hamma The Anti-Leafer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas, Georgia TLCA# 3343 Posts: 1,608	I used both body outriggers for the front tie ins: Attached Images __________________ '73 FJ55 http://forum.ih8mud.com/fj55-iron-pig-preservation-society/76835-pig-chebby-avalanche-trim-%3D.html '73 FJ40 http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q...&addtype=local '78 FJ40 - project in pieces '93 Ram W350 5 spd. SRW CTD '99 Ram 3500 4X4 5 spd. DRW CTD '74 BMW 3.0CS

03-24-08, 12:36 AM	#7
Isotel IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Crawlorado.com TLCA# 16898 Posts: 2,895	Yea, on my 40 my Body mounts are Beat!, The just hang too low, Im going to do away with the body mount and have one new mount that ties in the body/ Cage.. __________________ 1976 FJ40 TBI350 700R4 D300 SOA Locked 37" PBR's Protected by REDLINE Colorado Land Cruisers - Club Redline Land Cruisers - Safety First CrAwLoRadO.com - Just Check it out

03-24-08, 07:11 PM	#8
awp_cruiser Rookie with a torch. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 276	Thanks for the posts guys. Does anyone have experience with both the hard connection or the isolated bushing one? I am doubtful if there is really that much vibration from the cage - maybe I am wrong?! Besides, wouldn't the hard connection also serve to stiffen the frame up? I actually got a couple of the outriggers off a wrecked frame for the back of the sliders and "b" pillar of the cage. I haven't put too much thought into this but the general idea was to use 2 outriggers on each side (with some moderate reinforcements) to tie the sliders and the cage to the frame. Then plating the bottom as a skids (or boatsides in other words) to keep the bashing to a minimum. I haven't figured out how to keep them from collecting... mud. __________________ 1973 FJ40 - So far: V8, SM465, Scout PS, SR, SOA, 55 springs, 4WDB, Painless, Revolvers, 37's, Still to come: Cage, ARBs, Orion

03-26-08, 04:15 AM	#9
Francesco_from_Italy IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bologna, Italy Posts: 201	That's what I've done: Hope will help you! Francesco __________________ 1972 Fj 40 - 1992 Hzj 73

03-26-08, 10:21 PM	#10
yzftaco Drive-by Poster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mid-Cal TLCA# yes Posts: 532	Here's a pic of how mine are done... FC Style... (click on pic) (this is a picture of another rig, but mine is done exactly the same...) The flat plate on top of the slider tie-in, is the mount for my A-pillar Attached Images __________________ Mark 76 FJ40-- Weekend Warrior..... 97 Tacoma-- Daily.. .. My (not so much mine) Finish thread… My Rubithon 08 Hollister Hills Fun Day

03-27-08, 10:34 AM	#11
awp_cruiser Rookie with a torch. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 276	YZF, I check in on your build over on pirate every so often. Killer fenders! FC comes up with some great stuff and really raises the bar. Thanks for reminding me of that image. I'll keep that one in the back of my head for sure! Andy __________________ 1973 FJ40 - So far: V8, SM465, Scout PS, SR, SOA, 55 springs, 4WDB, Painless, Revolvers, 37's, Still to come: Cage, ARBs, Orion

03-27-08, 11:07 AM	#12
yzftaco Drive-by Poster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mid-Cal TLCA# yes Posts: 532	Right on Thanks! Yeah FC does some Incredible work! Wish I had half that talent.. I'm in the process of painting the aprons, and skins.. Gonna look good! I'll post up in that thread once I'm done.. (probably a week or two) Too busy with wedding planning stuff right now.. __________________ Mark 76 FJ40-- Weekend Warrior..... 97 Tacoma-- Daily.. .. My (not so much mine) Finish thread… My Rubithon 08 Hollister Hills Fun Day

03-27-08, 07:02 PM	#13
awp_cruiser Rookie with a torch. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 276	I just got married in December. I feel your pain! I'll keep an eye out for the painted product. Get those latches too while your at it! If you get a chance, please post up a few pics of the top side of the connection of the tube relative to the door jamb. If you have some pics of the rear connections too that would be much appreciated. Thanks again! Andy __________________ 1973 FJ40 - So far: V8, SM465, Scout PS, SR, SOA, 55 springs, 4WDB, Painless, Revolvers, 37's, Still to come: Cage, ARBs, Orion

03-27-08, 07:55 PM	#14
77TLCFJ40 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Madison, MS TLCA# 13533 Posts: 1,220	Is it best to put the bushing at the frame or under the floor? Sources for the bushed sleve, bolt & tabs? Thanks __________________ Lash CottonLand Cruisers TLCA: 13533 Madison, MS 02 UZJ100 Daily Driver De-blinged Emblems 77 FJ40 "GunRunner": York/Mudrak OBA, Aussie, 8274, Mini PS, Hell Creek Lift, 94" WB, 35x12.50 Hankook MTs, MAF U-Bolt Flips, F-250 Towers, MetalTech Cage, Choctaw Sliders, 8" Tuffy, Tiburon Seats... and a great group of friends who made it possible! 78 Hilux Trailer "... slowly I'm becoming one with the MUD." -- Jars of Clay

03-28-08, 10:48 AM	#16
awp_cruiser Rookie with a torch. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 276	Thank YZF, Yeah, I was looking for where the A pillar plate connects to the slider bracket above and below the tub. I lapsed on my star so my box was full. Problem fixed now and should be up and running shortly! Sorry about that. For the B and C connections I am sure FC has a killer detail cooking in his brain. __________________ 1973 FJ40 - So far: V8, SM465, Scout PS, SR, SOA, 55 springs, 4WDB, Painless, Revolvers, 37's, Still to come: Cage, ARBs, Orion

04-26-08, 04:16 AM	#17
OpTimuS IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 186	come on guys does anyone have any good photos of frame to cage connections? __________________ Thanks friend but I'm not calculating anything. Im just going on the "if I can get it to fit" calculator You don't need adaptor plates. That's what gaffer tape was invented for.

04-26-08, 02:08 PM	#19
LC_Hamma The Anti-Leafer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas, Georgia TLCA# 3343 Posts: 1,608	Full 8 pt. cage tied into frame on my 55 - pic shows 2 tied into the front outriggers (1st & 3rd one). Attached Images __________________ '73 FJ55 http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=76835 '73 FJ40 http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q...&addtype=local '78 FJ40 - project in pieces '93 Ram W350 5 spd. SRW CTD '99 Ram 3500 4X4 5 spd. DRW CTD '74 BMW 3.0CS

05-01-08, 01:25 PM	#21
camcruiser13 Me and my Big Wheel Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in the garage after dark in UT Posts: 5,006	i think the top three photos sum it up? basic idea, and you can go beyond that but all the same in the end. speaking of which i got to get mine on __________________ cc ------------- 76' fj40 camcrusier13 build threads the following are links, just click, go on try it Traction Bar Sliders Ram Assist Bumper Poison Spider Style Shackle Reversal Half Doors if your doing it im sure ive done it, need help just ask.......

05-03-08, 08:56 PM	#22
OpTimuS IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 186	Is that setup going to bete same as what Isotel is using? What dia bolts are you using? __________________ Thanks friend but I'm not calculating anything. Im just going on the "if I can get it to fit" calculator You don't need adaptor plates. That's what gaffer tape was invented for.

05-05-08, 02:37 PM	#23
camcruiser13 Me and my Big Wheel Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in the garage after dark in UT Posts: 5,006	pretty much yes. bolts i will go measure __________________ cc ------------- 76' fj40 camcrusier13 build threads the following are links, just click, go on try it Traction Bar Sliders Ram Assist Bumper Poison Spider Style Shackle Reversal Half Doors if your doing it im sure ive done it, need help just ask.......

05-15-08, 11:04 PM	#24
awp_cruiser Rookie with a torch. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 276	So I am still working through the frame tie in connections. I have one question that I hope you guys can help clear up for me - Is it better to isolate the cage from vibrations, or stiffen the frame with welded connections? I get a pretty good amount of twisting in the frame when it's flexed out. Generally speaking I think that is a less desireable characteristic. But I do DD it and vibrations are really wearing on the rig and me. Thanks for the posts and pics so far! Andy __________________ 1973 FJ40 - So far: V8, SM465, Scout PS, SR, SOA, 55 springs, 4WDB, Painless, Revolvers, 37's, Still to come: Cage, ARBs, Orion

05-16-08, 02:00 AM	#25
Isotel IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Crawlorado.com TLCA# 16898 Posts: 2,895	I Welded my Frame, Body, Cage, and Slider all Together, and there was no noticeable difference between now and before the cage w/30 year old Body mounts. If any thing it feels Better! Frame Flex is not as bad as it was, Here are some bad photos of my frame Ties, Only the 4 around the front seats are done for now, still need to figure out the Rear ones without having my tire get up into it! Attached Images __________________ 1976 FJ40 TBI350 700R4 D300 SOA Locked 37" PBR's Protected by REDLINE Colorado Land Cruisers - Club Redline Land Cruisers - Safety First CrAwLoRadO.com - Just Check it out Last edited by Isotel; 05-16-08 at 02:12 AM.