Help with 1 ton axle choice for fzj80 build - Page 3

Dusty · 12-02-07, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CreeperSleeper

Christo's Short-Bus doesn't have as much weight savings as you may think... The weight he saved with loosing sheetmetal, he added back with tube! (That is from Christo himself...)

I would be curious to see the weight of the weight of the short bus. tubed and all.

Anyhow its too late. I sold my 80 axles today. ship them out this week

agent orange · 12-03-07, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by alkaline747trio

I'd rather spend my time making big axles fit then to replace a blown birf on the trail. I'm capable of fixing that broken birf, but if I never have to fix one (mini axle in a bud's yota at 2AM isn't fun in a dust bowl) again I'd be one happy camper.

Once I get out of college and have more spare time I can devote to my cruiser I'll take a few more risks, but I can't handle long term downtime and I don't have enough long weekends to fix a good break.

Its all well and good to want to not have to pull out the tools when you go out wheeling, but i would much rather just get out there and push what i have and carry spares than sit it out because i dont have the money for longs or 1 tons or whatever the part du jour is. If you havent broken anything with 38.5s and you dont have a problem getting where you are going open in the front, id wait till you actually wheel it hard to put 1 tons under it. I t doesnt take much to pop a birf, just feed in a little rpm in reverse and they kinda just spit all their innards out. I cant imagine how many i would break if i had 38s.

I follow built cruisers and minis with duals and longs and all that jazz, i just beat my shit up and have to fix a birf from time to time. Not that im not going to get longs, but for the time being im content to run what i have.

alkaline747trio · 12-03-07, 10:40 AM

I don't sit out, I just pull strap. But I'm tired of pulling strap over stuff that I SHOULD be able to climb, but I can't because I'll pop birfs, and probably even longs if I get the front locker that I need to get up whatever obstacle it may be. I wheel it as hard as I feel comfortable wheeling it, and that's a lot harder than all of my wheeling friends (except a few who break shit all the time because they have more time and money than sense). But who doesn't want bulletproof? And is it really any more expensive to do than building up a stocker? I want 3-link front anyways so the front axle is already going to be going under the knife.

I'm glad Dusty is charging into this before I have to even think too hard about it, then he can deal with the bugs I wont be able to afford.

lowtideride · 12-03-07, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by alkaline747trio

I don't sit out, I just pull strap. But I'm tired of pulling strap over stuff that I SHOULD be able to climb, but I can't because I'll pop birfs, and probably even longs if I get the front locker that I need to get up whatever obstacle it may be. .

Highly highly doubt it.

Who have you heard that has broken a 30 spline long?

alkaline747trio · 12-03-07, 11:14 AM

You're right, I wont pop longs...I'll pop the $700 gears I just installed.

Mace · 12-03-07, 11:30 AM

If he has the axles and the desire, what is wrong with going the 1 ton route?

lowtideride · 12-03-07, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mace

If he has the axles and the desire, what is wrong with going the 1 ton route?

Nothing at all...

I am more irritated by Alk by saying he can't wheel because he doesnt have certain parts...

sleeoffroad · 12-03-07, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dusty

I would be curious to see the weight of the weight of the short bus. tubed and all.

Anyhow its too late. I sold my 80 axles today. ship them out this week

Shortbus was 5400lbs when I weighed it last.

CreeperSleeper · 12-03-07, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sleeoffroad

Shortbus was 5400lbs when I weighed it last.

Thanks, Christo!

alkaline747trio · 12-03-07, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lowtideride

Nothing at all...

I am more irritated by Alk by saying he can't wheel because he doesnt have certain parts...

I can definitely wheel, and in more places than a fullbodied SUV should go. But to keep up with rigs like your's, or Christos, or Mace's I need a few key parts. I'm dying to regear and get a locker and beef up my axles, because that would be a HUGE improvement over what I have. But that's a good hunk of cash I wont get back in full. And I'm worried I would still end up wanting more, or in the case of 42" tires (if I ever get that large), NEEDING more.

Dusty · 12-03-07, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sleeoffroad

Shortbus was 5400lbs when I weighed it last.

my truck is 58oolbs w axle spares (all of them) , extra tire, 35's, sliders and bumper. Add 250 for wife and kids, 100 for winch, 160 for me, 200 for camp gear/food/water. so 6500 lbs. Add more for fat friends that come along. when my boy scout troop comes along this thing is weighted.

CreeperSleeper · 12-03-07, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dusty

my truck is 58oolbs w axle spares (all of them) , extra tire, 35's, sliders and bumper. Add 250 for wife and kids, 100 for winch, 160 for me, 200 for camp gear/food/water. so 6500 lbs. Add more for fat friends that come along. when my boy scout troop comes along this thing is weighted.

See... I told you so!

Dusty · 12-03-07, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CreeperSleeper

See... I told you so!

Alright hoser

CreeperSleeper · 12-03-07, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dusty

Alright hoser

*GASP* Your Canadian?!? I married one of thems...

Back on topic, I think that I may try to get Rockwells under mine one of these days... But it probably will be under a different 80. I would like to find a cheap, not running 91 or 92 (I know, I know... Good luck with that.)

agent orange · 12-04-07, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by alkaline747trio

I can definitely wheel, and in more places than a fullbodied SUV should go. But to keep up with rigs like your's, or Christos, or Mace's I need a few key parts. I'm dying to regear and get a locker and beef up my axles, because that would be a HUGE improvement over what I have. But that's a good hunk of cash I wont get back in full. And I'm worried I would still end up wanting more, or in the case of 42" tires (if I ever get that large), NEEDING more.

In my opinion (which im not gonna try and say is the most experienced) you wont need more than 38s on the east coast. All the guys in my club say that it was more fun on 35s because now 95 percent of the trail is just a bumpy road with an obstacle that actually requires thought every so often. An 80 i wheel with ran every trail at tellico and has done about the same in PA. He is full bodied on 35s with 4.88s and stock lockers. You dont have to have 1 tons and 42s to wheel, you only need those for the 1% of trails where you look at it and go wow thats a stupid hard line. Shit, i dont wheel with anyone under a 36 and i run the same trails they do, and i dont take bypasses.

Im a firm believer in dont fix whats not broken, but if you have the money for one tons (this is direceted towards the actual poster
then by all means, it would be nice to never worry about breaking anything in the axles no matter how much your truck weighs or how stupid you get with the skinny pedal.

concretejungle · 12-04-07, 01:45 PM

back away from the skinny pedal and use momentum as your friend. That seems to save a ton of parts. Just my opinion.

agent orange · 12-04-07, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by concretejungle

back away from the skinny pedal and use momentum as your friend. That seems to save a ton of parts. Just my opinion.

x2, momentum is how i make dual cased minis look bad. They sit there at 0.1 miles per hour chugging along with the tires barely turning trying to crawl stuff, and then i come along, spool up the converter, and carry a little momentum through it and am fine.

The fun part for me being SUA is learning what horrible scraping and banging noises to drive through and when to let out of it

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alkaline747trio · 12-04-07, 02:36 PM

Are wide offset wheel safe? I want more stability out of this (heavy roof-rack up top, but I need the storage), what are my choices there? Gonna do a 2" susp drop and a 1-2" body lift to help a little. Is there anything else?

Dusty · 12-09-07, 08:29 PM

upgrade pending

jkimmel · 12-10-07, 12:35 PM

life is much better with tons

far more stability, 4 years and counting on my first set of spicer u-joints with 42's

I crawl lots of stuff( embarrassed minitruck guy)but can happily stomp it when the need arises.

It is the one mod I will never go without again on future rides, it truly put the FUN back into wheeling

good luck

Dusty · 12-10-07, 02:23 PM

hopefully I will have 1 tons delivered this week. a d70 rear and d60 cheby front. with new arbs and 586 gears. the front has knuckles but no hubs, caliper brackets, spindles. iwill buy new calipers/rotors but if someone has the other stuff and can save me some money on new let me know.

I have never taken a real good look at brackets but i think i will get them from ruf stuff.

planning radius arms (ylinks) front and rear. there is no room for a 4 link in the back of an 80 unless the gas tank is removed or real short arms are used for the uppers.

I am planning on stretching the rear 4 inches and front 2 inches and removing the frame links front and rear to make for some longer links. Am considering leaving the frame links where theay are. This topic is requiring some thought right now. Any suggestions? should I leave the frame factory link brackets or start over on the brackets in pursuit of longer arms? am not planning coilovers. in fact I want to keep 4-6" lift and chop the fenders for only about 6" uptravel. way wide and low as possible. looking for around 23" at frame on 40-42" tire.

CreeperSleeper · 12-11-07, 12:30 PM

Dusty, I think you need to post detailed measurments and pics... I may have to copy you!

fj40charles · 12-11-07, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by alkaline747trio

I was thinking HP to keep the driveshaft out of the rocks. It seems that the conversion is harder than my buddy described it. How much work is it?

It is alot of work and lots of $$$. I have a HP D60 with passenger drop and 65" WMS to WMS on my FJ40.
The axle was custom built and it was not cheap. I would let an experienced axle shop do the work.
My axles were built by Texas Auto Gear in Houston, TX. I'm very happy with them.

If you really must have a HP 60 with passenger side drop, I think the best option is to buy an aftermarket HP center section and have it custom built with new tubes and Dedenbear C's and knuckles.

12-03-07, 10:40 AM	#63
alkaline747trio Young and Dumb apparently Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Blacksburg VA or Albemarle NC Posts: 3,703	I don't sit out, I just pull strap. But I'm tired of pulling strap over stuff that I SHOULD be able to climb, but I can't because I'll pop birfs, and probably even longs if I get the front locker that I need to get up whatever obstacle it may be. I wheel it as hard as I feel comfortable wheeling it, and that's a lot harder than all of my wheeling friends (except a few who break shit all the time because they have more time and money than sense). But who doesn't want bulletproof? And is it really any more expensive to do than building up a stocker? I want 3-link front anyways so the front axle is already going to be going under the knife. I'm glad Dusty is charging into this before I have to even think too hard about it, then he can deal with the bugs I wont be able to afford. __________________ '92 - 3FE POWER'D! -- Slee 6"/OME 863J, Pro-Comp 14" ES3000/N74L, Gen. 2 Slee Front Control Arms, T-G Sliders, Ext. Diff. Breathers, Slee SS Brake Lines, 5.29s, Aussie Locker'd rear, 35" TrXus STS Street/38.5x11 Boggers Trail, 180k. '85 Honda Accord - 55MPG!!! -- No air filter, Custom Burple (blue and purple) Paint. Upstate Cruisers Last edited by alkaline747trio; 12-03-07 at 11:13 AM.

12-03-07, 11:14 AM	#65
alkaline747trio Young and Dumb apparently Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Blacksburg VA or Albemarle NC Posts: 3,703	You're right, I wont pop longs...I'll pop the $700 gears I just installed. __________________ '92 - 3FE POWER'D! -- Slee 6"/OME 863J, Pro-Comp 14" ES3000/N74L, Gen. 2 Slee Front Control Arms, T-G Sliders, Ext. Diff. Breathers, Slee SS Brake Lines, 5.29s, Aussie Locker'd rear, 35" TrXus STS Street/38.5x11 Boggers Trail, 180k. '85 Honda Accord - 55MPG!!! -- No air filter, Custom Burple (blue and purple) Paint. Upstate Cruisers

12-03-07, 11:30 AM	#66
Mace what he said Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 10,446	If he has the axles and the desire, what is wrong with going the 1 ton route? __________________ I am kinda gay....... My Myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=75712409 "Mary Poppins: In every job that must be done, there is an element of fun. You find the fun and - SNAP - the job's a game."

12-04-07, 01:45 PM	#76
concretejungle IH8MUD Tour Guide Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Cadillac TLCA# 14646 Posts: 5,738	back away from the skinny pedal and use momentum as your friend. That seems to save a ton of parts. Just my opinion. __________________ 95' FZJ80 OME med./J lift, ARB rack, ARB Bull Bar w/tmax 12,500, 315 Nitto, stainless brake lines, Center Diff Lock, Sliders, IPOR Skid, IPOR rear bumper, upgraded slee sticker, custom dents, more to come. . . Remember it's a gateway drug, so it will actually lead to "crystal meh".

12-04-07, 02:36 PM	#78
alkaline747trio Young and Dumb apparently Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Blacksburg VA or Albemarle NC Posts: 3,703	Are wide offset wheel safe? I want more stability out of this (heavy roof-rack up top, but I need the storage), what are my choices there? Gonna do a 2" susp drop and a 1-2" body lift to help a little. Is there anything else? __________________ '92 - 3FE POWER'D! -- Slee 6"/OME 863J, Pro-Comp 14" ES3000/N74L, Gen. 2 Slee Front Control Arms, T-G Sliders, Ext. Diff. Breathers, Slee SS Brake Lines, 5.29s, Aussie Locker'd rear, 35" TrXus STS Street/38.5x11 Boggers Trail, 180k. '85 Honda Accord - 55MPG!!! -- No air filter, Custom Burple (blue and purple) Paint. Upstate Cruisers Last edited by alkaline747trio; 12-05-07 at 10:11 AM.

12-09-07, 08:29 PM	#79
Dusty IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,386	just need tons now upgrade pending Attached Images __________________ 97lx450 4" slee/j's, sliders, bumpers, 3" exhaust, custom turbo, HG pm/Valve job/seals, sweet custom skid plate, Sleeoffroad parts, Buys oe parts from Cruiser Dan used to have 37" swampers.. 1 tons and 42's pending..... Budget Blown 98 100 series. rear locker. 2008 6.7L dodge 2500 quad cab

12-10-07, 12:35 PM	#80
jkimmel IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 16	life is much better with tons far more stability, 4 years and counting on my first set of spicer u-joints with 42's I crawl lots of stuff( embarrassed minitruck guy)but can happily stomp it when the need arises. It is the one mod I will never go without again on future rides, it truly put the FUN back into wheeling good luck

12-10-07, 02:23 PM	#81
Dusty IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,386	hopefully I will have 1 tons delivered this week. a d70 rear and d60 cheby front. with new arbs and 586 gears. the front has knuckles but no hubs, caliper brackets, spindles. iwill buy new calipers/rotors but if someone has the other stuff and can save me some money on new let me know. I have never taken a real good look at brackets but i think i will get them from ruf stuff. planning radius arms (ylinks) front and rear. there is no room for a 4 link in the back of an 80 unless the gas tank is removed or real short arms are used for the uppers. I am planning on stretching the rear 4 inches and front 2 inches and removing the frame links front and rear to make for some longer links. Am considering leaving the frame links where theay are. This topic is requiring some thought right now. Any suggestions? should I leave the frame factory link brackets or start over on the brackets in pursuit of longer arms? am not planning coilovers. in fact I want to keep 4-6" lift and chop the fenders for only about 6" uptravel. way wide and low as possible. looking for around 23" at frame on 40-42" tire. __________________ 97lx450 4" slee/j's, sliders, bumpers, 3" exhaust, custom turbo, HG pm/Valve job/seals, sweet custom skid plate, Sleeoffroad parts, Buys oe parts from Cruiser Dan used to have 37" swampers.. 1 tons and 42's pending..... Budget Blown 98 100 series. rear locker. 2008 6.7L dodge 2500 quad cab Last edited by Dusty; 12-10-07 at 02:36 PM.