Help with 1 ton axle choice for fzj80 build

[Mace]

Originally Posted by alkaline747trio

I was under the assumption that the 3rd just unbolted and you could grind to get it to fit the chevy housing.

Oh god no..

[Dusty]

[quote=Mace;2787013]What is the WMS on that 14 bolt? (just make sure it matches)

i measurd 3 14bolts today. they were all 54" from the inside of one drum to the other.

Originally Posted by Nightcrawler4x4

The ribs are the newwer 14bolts not sure when they started but my buddy has a 99 3/4 burb that has one. I could save ya some money on the retubbing, I have a doubler kit set up for a Ford 205.

How can you save me some money on the retubing with the doubler kit?

[Mace]

[quote=Dusty;2788164]

Originally Posted by Mace

What is the WMS on that 14 bolt? (just make sure it matches)

i measurd 3 14bolts today. they were all 54" from the inside of one drum to the other.





How can you save me some money on the retubing with the doubler kit?

WMS is based on the wheel mounting surface. And, on a 14 bolt that is defined by the hubs. The axle shafts are all the same length..

He is talking about using a DS drop tcase..

[Dusty]

someone figure out how to mate any good low geared transfercase at all to the auto on this thing and im first in line. advance, stak, marlin, and trail gear have all let me down

so then the 14 bollt must be about 70"ish wide which would be just fine

[bustanutley]

Originally Posted by rondog

Have you considered longfields for your 80 axles? action jackson ran 40's with no problems after installing them in his 80, and he wheeled that cruiser pretty well!!

I would not say no problems, dude still broke a lot of parts and he didn't beat it that hard. The 80 axles aren't big enough to run 40s on a 6K vehicle....

[lowtideride]

I am all for moding the crap out of stuff. But I think this is a lot of work for very little gain.

You said you don't flog the rig very hard so why not just run longs? I am willing to bet Action Jackson has put a hell of a beating on his rig.
Run ARBs, part time kit, and longs....Also running hydro assists only helps and will stop the breakage of the sector shaft twisting off like we have all seen in the 80s. I run a 80 series tapped box with a toyota pump. Don't even notice its there until I am in the rocks and notice I can still steer.

Just because you have a free axle doesnt mean its a good idea...

This is just my 2 cents, take it with a grain of salt.

Good luck on your build though...

[bustanutley]

Its not just the axles that break, the diffs don't hold up, studs shear. 60s on a heavy ass 80 on 40s is a much better idea.

[lowtideride]

Originally Posted by bustanutley

Its not just the axles that break, the diffs don't hold up, studs shear. 60s on a heavy ass 80 on 40s is a much better idea.

I agree the HP front diffs dont hold up....

But he said he doesnt beat on his rig all that bad so I really dont see them exploding...Thats why I said since you dont flog your rig you don't need them.

[alkaline747trio]

I think he wants to flog it, he wants to be bulletproof. I'm in the same boat, haven't broken anything yet, but I don't want to deal with breaking something.

[CreeperSleeper]

Meh... go Rockwells! I'm still interested in the new WB. I'm on my belly A LOT with my 35's, but I think that the extra WB will take away the advantages of a bigger tire and the agility that 80s have. I really want to do this too, that's why I'm playing devils advocate!

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by alkaline747trio

I think he wants to flog it, he wants to be bulletproof. I'm in the same boat, haven't broken anything yet, but I don't want to deal with breaking something.

Oh I flog but have gotten lucky....till she laid on her side 2 weeks ago. But when these wheels start spinning with 37's and the lockers engaged I grit my teeth and pray

Originally Posted by CreeperSleeper

Meh... go Rockwells! I'm still interested in the new WB. I'm on my belly A LOT with my 35's, but I think that the extra WB will take away the advantages of a bigger tire and the agility that 80s have. I really want to do this too, that's why I'm playing devils advocate!

All obstacles can be overcome with reckless abondon. Big axles are key. Its great to hear an 80 land her massively weighted armour on rock with a crashing blow..the whole while swinging her huge ass around tearing down trees as small children run in terror...

[Mace]

Originally Posted by Dusty

All obstacles can be overcome with reckless abondon. Big axles are key. Its great to hear an 80 land her massively weighted armour on rock with a crashing blow..the whole while swinging her huge ass around tearing down trees as small children run in terror...

CTM 1 tons

[CreeperSleeper]

Originally Posted by Dusty

All obstacles can be overcome with reckless abondon. Big axles are key. Its great to hear an 80 land her massively weighted armour on rock with a crashing blow..the whole while swinging her huge ass around tearing down trees as small children run in terror...

Hmmm... Sounds like you've wheeled with me before...

[lowtideride]

Originally Posted by alkaline747trio

I think he wants to flog it, he wants to be bulletproof. I'm in the same boat, haven't broken anything yet, but I don't want to deal with breaking something.

wuss

[alkaline747trio]

Originally Posted by lowtideride

wuss

I'd rather spend my time making big axles fit then to replace a blown birf on the trail. I'm capable of fixing that broken birf, but if I never have to fix one (mini axle in a bud's yota at 2AM isn't fun in a dust bowl) again I'd be one happy camper.

Once I get out of college and have more spare time I can devote to my cruiser I'll take a few more risks, but I can't handle long term downtime and I don't have enough long weekends to fix a good break.

[lowtideride]

Originally Posted by alkaline747trio

I'd rather spend my time making big axles fit then to replace a blown birf on the trail. I'm capable of fixing that broken birf, but if I never have to fix one (mini axle in a bud's yota at 2AM isn't fun in a dust bowl) again I'd be one happy camper.

Once I get out of college and have more spare time I can devote to my cruiser I'll take a few more risks, but I can't handle long term downtime and I don't have enough long weekends to fix a good break.

Downtime ya mean the 30 minutes it takes to change a birf.... I am also a full time student and work full time. I don't buy those excuses.

Gear your truck for the last time and get longs if you are worried. Think about it. you have been wheeling with what 37" boggers and still havnt broken anything I am pretty sure longs will work in your case.

[alkaline747trio]

30 minutes? Takes a little longer than that for me. You live with your truck, I live 4 hrs away from where I can work on mine. I'm also open in the front and baby the damn thing. I want to just mash the skinny pedal and go with it. Locked front with 38's (I also have this craving for 42s) on longs, not exactly a point and shoot combination.

[Mace]

Originally Posted by alkaline747trio

30 minutes? Takes a little longer than that for me. You live with your truck, I live 4 hrs away from where I can work on mine. I'm also open in the front and baby the damn thing. I want to just mash the skinny pedal and go with it. Locked front with 38's (I also have this craving for 42s) on longs, not exactly a point and shoot combination.

Actually, that is a very strong setup..

[alkaline747trio]

38.5s, locked, with longs is point and shoot? Tons give me more stability, deeper gearing, more locker options, and puts me in a better situation to run 42s. I'd like to just lock, gear, and add longs...but I know I'll have that and want more. If I'm on tons with 42s, there is no more more...but I could move to another project...vicious circle I know.

[Mace]

Fundamentally, it seems like you really want to do this.

Is there a better reason to do it?

[alkaline747trio]

Well, I'd be happy with gears, lockers, and longs....for a good minute. But I know how I want to be able to wheel, and I just don't see that with stock axles. I also don't feel too stable with the width of the stockers. I am considering dropping down 2" in suspension and going 1-2" BL to keep COG down, but is that enough? I'm afraid to dive too deep into smaller upgrades when there is a good chance I'll want something bigger later on down the road.

What about my want for 42s? Is that reasonable with stock axles at all? With full-widths it appears I could keep most of the body and still fit the 42s. With stockers it looks like a sawzall mania!

I'm not dead set on tons, but it just seems to make a little more sense when looking at the final bill.

[adamsclarke]

Having never done gears before.....a monkey could set them up in a 14bolt. It was super easy. The hardest part about the 14 bolt was cutting off the spring perches. And most people just give them away...$50 easy and spares are everywhere.

But I do agree that for the energy and $$ you'd put into a 60/14bolt swap...you could come in way less than that with upgrading your 80 axles and run a tire that large.

i only run 37s on my 1 tons....but will eventually go to 42s...and have no fear of breaking them

[FRIZZLEFRY]

Ya thought about a Dana 70 for the rear?More ratios and more locker options.1.5" 35 spline shafts,a hair more clearance than a 14 bolt and a little bit lighter too

[Dusty]