Hydro Assist - Page 2

bustanutley · 10-08-07, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tapage

I issue in my case it's the Toy PS pump in my engine it's in a complicated place .. ( like in a 1FZ ) bottom righ side ahead my IP ..

But if you said my Toyy pump can handle ..

I should clarify that you couldn't pay me to use a stock toyota pump. I have friends that run high performance PSC replacement toyota pumps on their trucks with decent success, but before they changed up pumps they had a hell of a time turning.

Tapage · 10-08-07, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bustanutley

I should clarify that you couldn't pay me to use a stock toyota pump. I have friends that run high performance PSC replacement toyota pumps on their trucks with decent success, but before they changed up pumps they had a hell of a time turning.

Ok .. i get it ..

Betwwen take a risk with the factory toy pump with a hydro assist and keep it as is ( hard turning and no PS when I use the front ARB + chains ) what do you do . ?

bustanutley · 10-08-07, 07:08 PM

Mos def put assist on, you can always upgrade to a better pump if you find it needed

I would try to fit a sag pump, but that just me

agent orange · 10-08-07, 07:49 PM

I want to put a sag pump and a ram on mine, i think for the time being im just gonna sleeve the stock tie rod and see if anything breaks.

The stock PS pump just isnt cutting it for me in the rocks. I wonder, would it be preferable to have ram assist with a undersized pump (ie OEM) or no ram at all? Does anyone make or have a writeup of their saginaw pump bracket for a 3fe?

freds40 · 10-08-07, 10:16 PM

No assist = good steering on the street, tough turning in rocks
Assist/stock pump = sluggish street steering, decent turning in rocks.

With the Sag pump, you can mod it slightly to speed up the output for the ram which will give you stock feeling street manners but will also give you good assist in the rocks.

BELMONT148 · 10-08-07, 10:50 PM

How is a full PSC ram assist setup on the street? Does the pump give adequate pressure and volume to keep it from being sluggish?

Jeremy

Mace · 10-09-07, 08:15 AM

Hydro assist does not have to be sluggish on the street. It is a matter of designing the system to behave hte way you want it to..

Not tough actually.

Christian · 10-09-07, 10:20 AM

Hi!

I read somewhere that you loose the self-rightening? If this is true I would hate it!?

Mace · 10-09-07, 11:52 AM

not true

Christian · 10-09-07, 01:56 PM

Thanks Mace! I read it in another thread inhere somewhere... but it was not elaborated...

Mace · 10-09-07, 03:27 PM

a full hydro system can be non reactive. My 40 is that way. But it still will return to center lightly. It just takes more thought.

Hydro assist does not remove the axles return to center ability.

brokenparts · 10-09-07, 05:46 PM

my hydro isn't sluggish at all... in fact its damn fast especially after I drilled out my restrictor.

CruisinFJ60 · 10-09-07, 06:04 PM

dont u have a saginaw with you cheby motor zach?

lowtideride · 10-09-07, 08:37 PM

I run a toyota pump. Fine for one the street and about half the day on the trail til it over heats and start puking fluid.

Although the pump has 180k on it and is 24 years old.

I am going to just buy a new one from C-Dan...If its lasted this long I am just going to put another Toyota one in.

brokenparts · 10-09-07, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CruisinFJ60

dont u have a saginaw with you cheby motor zach?

yepper.

agent orange · 10-09-07, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowtideride

I run a toyota pump. Fine for one the street and about half the day on the trail til it over heats and start puking fluid.

Although the pump has 180k on it and is 24 years old.

I am going to just buy a new one from C-Dan...If its lasted this long I am just going to put another Toyota one in.

Cam from IPOR has a stock pump in his truggy (so does lance, AFAIK). I was looking at his reservoir one day and noticed that cut the top off and welded the body of another reservoir onto his to make a double stack of sorts. Seems like that might be an idea for you.

camcruiser13 · 10-10-07, 01:45 PM

mine is also drilled out at the pump and i have no slugishness, i cant really tell its on there until i get into the rocks and stuff

10-08-07, 07:08 PM	#33
bustanutley IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: CrAwLoRaDo Posts: 1,527	Mos def put assist on, you can always upgrade to a better pump if you find it needed I would try to fit a sag pump, but that just me __________________ FJ-40 on FO-DEEs just a lil guy HOMEGROWN

10-08-07, 07:49 PM	#34
agent orange IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Richmond, VA TLCA# 16545 Posts: 2,068	I want to put a sag pump and a ram on mine, i think for the time being im just gonna sleeve the stock tie rod and see if anything breaks. The stock PS pump just isnt cutting it for me in the rocks. I wonder, would it be preferable to have ram assist with a undersized pump (ie OEM) or no ram at all? Does anyone make or have a writeup of their saginaw pump bracket for a 3fe? __________________ 1988 FJ 62- SUA, 1" body, 34" trxus mudders, 2.5" exhaust, 27spl Longs/Pig Inners, 4.88s, torsen LSD/lockright, 4runner brakes, other random stuff... 1986 pickup- 2wd, 22r, 4 speed, DD oh, and custom tree damage

10-08-07, 10:16 PM	#35
freds40 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 467	No assist = good steering on the street, tough turning in rocks Assist/stock pump = sluggish street steering, decent turning in rocks. With the Sag pump, you can mod it slightly to speed up the output for the ram which will give you stock feeling street manners but will also give you good assist in the rocks. __________________ My old 40, lowrider on leafs: http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=19561.0 Building my 60: http://forum.ih8mud.com/60-series-wa...ilds-60-a.html www.4x4him.com

10-08-07, 10:50 PM	#36
BELMONT148 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mt. Pleasant and Myrtle Beach, SC TLCA# 16668 Posts: 1,626	How is a full PSC ram assist setup on the street? Does the pump give adequate pressure and volume to keep it from being sluggish? Jeremy __________________ Project Evelyn 71' FJ40 W/ 78 2F, 4 speed Tranny & Transfer SOA, 38" TSL's, 4W discs

10-09-07, 08:15 AM	#37
Mace what he said Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 10,966	Hydro assist does not have to be sluggish on the street. It is a matter of designing the system to behave hte way you want it to.. Not tough actually. __________________ I am kinda gay....... My Myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=75712409 "Mary Poppins: In every job that must be done, there is an element of fun. You find the fun and - SNAP - the job's a game."

10-09-07, 10:20 AM	#38
Christian IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denmark Posts: 195	Hi! I read somewhere that you loose the self-rightening? If this is true I would hate it!? __________________ http://forum.ih8mud.com/60-series-wagons/178669-60-series-body-modifications.html meus gramen est magis viridis "my grass is greener" JUGGERNAUT: '87 HJ60, in the works... Bismarck: Merc 280SE, daily driver '71 Beetle convertible, hierloom to be resurrected... トヨタ

10-09-07, 11:52 AM	#39
Mace what he said Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 10,966	not true __________________ I am kinda gay....... My Myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=75712409 "Mary Poppins: In every job that must be done, there is an element of fun. You find the fun and - SNAP - the job's a game."

10-09-07, 01:56 PM	#40
Christian IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denmark Posts: 195	Thanks Mace! I read it in another thread inhere somewhere... but it was not elaborated... __________________ http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=178669 meus gramen est magis viridis "my grass is greener" JUGGERNAUT: '87 HJ60, in the works... Bismarck: Merc 280SE, daily driver '71 Beetle convertible, hierloom to be resurrected... トヨタ

10-09-07, 03:27 PM	#41
Mace what he said Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 10,966	a full hydro system can be non reactive. My 40 is that way. But it still will return to center lightly. It just takes more thought. Hydro assist does not remove the axles return to center ability. __________________ I am kinda gay....... My Myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=75712409 "Mary Poppins: In every job that must be done, there is an element of fun. You find the fun and - SNAP - the job's a game."

10-09-07, 05:46 PM	#42
brokenparts IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Hillsboro, OR TLCA# 16127 Posts: 2,336	my hydro isn't sluggish at all... in fact its damn fast especially after I drilled out my restrictor. __________________ "Just bump it" I am offended by reality all the time. http://www.cascadecruisers.com/ http://www.myspace.com/zachsu ROTW: http://forum.ih8mud.com/60-series-wagons/198064-rotw-brokenparts-fj-60-a.html Last edited by brokenparts; 10-09-07 at 09:49 PM.

10-09-07, 08:37 PM	#44
lowtideride Ride On... Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Florida TLCA# 14891 Posts: 6,962	I run a toyota pump. Fine for one the street and about half the day on the trail til it over heats and start puking fluid. Although the pump has 180k on it and is 24 years old. I am going to just buy a new one from C-Dan...If its lasted this long I am just going to put another Toyota one in. __________________ www.NFCruiserheads.org 1983 SR5 Hilux... has had no peers for 50 years...

10-10-07, 01:45 PM	#47
camcruiser13 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in the garage after dark in UT Posts: 5,106	mine is also drilled out at the pump and i have no slugishness, i cant really tell its on there until i get into the rocks and stuff __________________ cc ------------- 76' fj40 camcrusier13 build threads the following are links, just click, go on try it Traction Bar Sliders Ram Assist Bumper Poison Spider Style Shackle Reversal Half Doors if your doing it im sure ive done it, need help just ask.......

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