bad ass winch

waydownunder80 · 09-13-07, 12:27 AM

Hey guys,anyone built or no of any extreme pto winch setups??
im thinkin of runnin vf2 style left hand output transfer case to either the back of a h42 & split case or in between like marlins toybox,then run a drive shaft forward to a minitruk ifs diff with a drum on one end? still with me?

any ideas?
cheers

Tapage · 09-13-07, 05:08 PM

Not .. I'm loose at minutruck ifs diff !

Poser · 09-13-07, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waydownunder80

Hey guys,anyone built or no of any extreme pto winch setups??
im thinkin of runnin vf2 style left hand output transfer case to either the back of a h42 & split case or in between like marlins toybox,then run a drive shaft forward to a minitruk ifs diff with a drum on one end? still with me?

any ideas?
cheers

Are you going to offer this as a bolt-on kit?

waydownunder80 · 09-14-07, 12:51 AM

maybe?

if i can get some input!! lookin on toyotas parts EPC it shows a rear power takeoff? anyone ever come across one of these??
check this link to my local forum
http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/modu...ewtopic&t=6192

theres a coupla youtube vid links there
basically i want to connect a second transfer( behind my cruiser box) and run a drive shaft forward to a locked front diff with a drum on one end with the cable on it??
think like the pto style they used to have but on a lot larger/faster/powerful scale??

ats4x4dotcom · 09-14-07, 04:47 AM

malaysian guys were running this set up at this years outback challenge, using datsun 120 y diff, as they are cheap.

PTO shaft to pinion flange, welded diff, winch drum hooked to axle on one side, so a 3.__ to 1 step up in the PTO drive.

Some talk of them measured at 25kph on the winch cable, winching.

concretejungle · 09-14-07, 08:12 AM

Holy FAWK!! that zuk winched over fast as hell! I've never seen that before.

denis · 09-14-07, 10:55 AM

what kind of cable/ rope do they use ?

waydownunder80 · 09-14-07, 11:12 PM

now you see what i mean

would toyota`s standard pto takeoff be able to handle that sort of abuse?

orangefj45 · 09-17-07, 10:32 AM

that sounds reeeeeeealy scarry. 25kph line speed?! don't get in the way of that fawker or you're toast.

i'd still run an electric winch myself.......

JohnnyC · 09-17-07, 11:01 AM

a pierce 12500lb electric winch is pretty much hard core enough for me...slow and steady wins the race

denis · 09-17-07, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyC

.slow and steady wins the race

It really depends on the race. Some challenge events are pretty much a winch race nowadays !

Tapage · 09-17-07, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denis

It really depends on the race. Some challenge events are pretty much a winch race nowadays !

I thought the rain forest ( from I ever seen ) in Italy have specific rules for the hard core sections .. something like a one try and not done, go winch .. in this way you are winching the hole track ..

NO fun !

waydownunder80 · 09-18-07, 01:02 PM

down here we call them "winch challenges" and they are either some big mud holes or steep inclines,people use mainly hydraulic & PTO but i wanna build something that really cranks

denis · 09-18-07, 01:10 PM

what rig would this go in ?
I had a brain fart while thinking about this thread the other day, I think it might be a brilliant idea but I probably won't have the time to build it before long

tntoyota · 09-19-07, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waydownunder80

down here we call them "winch challenges" and they are either some big mud holes or steep inclines,people use mainly hydraulic & PTO but i wanna build something that really cranks

X2

2MK, NO one has to this day created a CONTINUISE DUTY rated ELECTRIC winch...

waydownunder80 · 09-19-07, 01:12 PM

now were thinkin!! denis has finally clicked to what im on about

so do you think its possible to put a transfer box in between the original vehicles gearbox & transfer case? like marlins toybox deal?

agent orange · 09-20-07, 05:31 AM

I think the dual case idea is the best option, as if you ran it straight off the PTO i could see that making for some really hairy extractions if you were ever in a tippy or technical spot.

Jetboy · 09-22-07, 10:07 PM

So I think I have a way to clutch it. Use an open diff and put a disk brake from something small on the non spool side. Then you engage the winch and all the power would run through the disc brake side and not pull any on the line. The power you send to the winch would be directly related to how much braking you do. Seems like a good way to control it and could be done on a low budget. Something like an e-brake with the cable run to a lever would work. I'm thinking this is only a comp type thing.

incogrhino · 09-24-07, 08:36 AM

Yeah, you let off the lever and bad things happen.Maybe a ratchet type style hookup for it.

marting · 10-01-07, 04:12 AM

lots of old cruisers have a mechanical winch connected to the engine... maybe you could use one of those

Many 40'2 and 60's have that .... it will lift you car straight off the ground .. or break the safety-pin

denis · 10-03-07, 12:02 AM

with a 33:1 (-ish) ratio in the worm gear drive the line speed will be somewhat limited for comps.

lowenbrau · 10-03-07, 12:54 AM

A 4:1 winch is the easy part. The hard part is the PTO. There's no way they'd be using any factory gear with anything as heavy as a Land Cruiser.

I'm running a huge hydraulic pump off my PTO and that runs my 8000 lb Superwinch. Its about 2/3 as fast as an 8274 unloaded and about 10 times as fast at full load.

Jetboy · 10-04-07, 09:30 PM

what about mounting it on the front axle for a comp only vehicle. This way you could just put a chain drive off the front flange to the flange on the winch for power and use a clutch to engage the winch. I don't like the idea of a winch on the axle, but you would have full driveline power right there.

waydownunder80 · 10-08-07, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetboy

So I think I have a way to clutch it. Use an open diff and put a disk brake from something small on the non spool side. Then you engage the winch and all the power would run through the disc brake side and not pull any on the line. The power you send to the winch would be directly related to how much braking you do. Seems like a good way to control it and could be done on a low budget. Something like an e-brake with the cable run to a lever would work. I'm thinking this is only a comp type thing.

my thoughts exactly,i was thinkin of using a ifs minitruck front diff!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by marting

lots of old cruisers have a mechanical winch connected to the engine... maybe you could use one of those

Many 40's and 60's have that .... it will lift you car straight off the ground .. or break the safety-pin

cruiser pto`s not strong enuff they are only factory rated to 1500kgs

im in the process of collecting bits for this,when i get everythin together i`ll post some pics,might have to extend my 40`s wheelbase to fit it under there

denis · 10-08-07, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waydownunder80

cruiser pto`s not strong enuff they are only factory rated to 1500kgs

im in the process of collecting bits for this,when i get everythin together i`ll post some pics,might have to extend my 40`s wheelbase to fit it under there

So what's the plan for now ?
you've probably seen this but I thought the link might fit this thread well anyway

http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/modu...&p=81341#81341
Please do post some updates by all means ! I'm currently thinking azbout something along these lines too

09-13-07, 12:27 AM	#1
waydownunder80 IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: new zealand Posts: 75	bad ass winch Hey guys,anyone built or no of any extreme pto winch setups?? im thinkin of runnin vf2 style left hand output transfer case to either the back of a h42 & split case or in between like marlins toybox,then run a drive shaft forward to a minitruk ifs diff with a drum on one end? still with me?any ideas? cheers __________________ HDJ81 Daily driver 78 FJ55R-KC under construction 84 FJ40 NASTY RUSTY BUSH TRUK

09-14-07, 12:51 AM	#4
waydownunder80 IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: new zealand Posts: 75	maybe? if i can get some input!! lookin on toyotas parts EPC it shows a rear power takeoff? anyone ever come across one of these?? check this link to my local forum http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/modu...ewtopic&t=6192 theres a coupla youtube vid links there basically i want to connect a second transfer( behind my cruiser box) and run a drive shaft forward to a locked front diff with a drum on one end with the cable on it?? think like the pto style they used to have but on a lot larger/faster/powerful scale?? __________________ HDJ81 Daily driver 78 FJ55R-KC under construction 84 FJ40 NASTY RUSTY BUSH TRUK

09-14-07, 04:47 AM	#5
ats4x4dotcom what the hell happened? Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Drysdale Vic Aus Posts: 901	malaysian guys were running this set up at this years outback challenge, using datsun 120 y diff, as they are cheap. PTO shaft to pinion flange, welded diff, winch drum hooked to axle on one side, so a 3.__ to 1 step up in the PTO drive. Some talk of them measured at 25kph on the winch cable, winching. __________________ Darren McRae 95 80 series 1FZ-FE with bits to come http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/207630-project-rooby-80-all-rounder-build.html

09-14-07, 08:12 AM	#6
concretejungle IH8MUD Tour Guide Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Cadillac TLCA# 14646 Posts: 5,907	Holy FAWK!! that zuk winched over fast as hell! I've never seen that before. __________________ 95' FZJ80 OME med./J lift, ARB rack, ARB Bull Bar w/tmax 12,500, 315 Nitto, stainless brake lines, Center Diff Lock, Sliders, IPOR Skid, IPOR rear bumper, upgraded slee sticker, custom dents, more to come. . . Remember it's a gateway drug, so it will actually lead to "crystal meh".

09-14-07, 10:55 AM	#7
denis retired maths geek huh Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: buried in a pile of yota projects TLCA# ?! Posts: 1,062	what kind of cable/ rope do they use ? __________________ '71MS75 threw a rod '74MS75 seized engine '75BJ40 farm tractor type R '79FJ55 rostig schwein '80BJ40 never ending resto '88LN65 frame-off '90HDJ80 the bear '92LN85 turbo ute

09-14-07, 11:12 PM	#8
waydownunder80 IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: new zealand Posts: 75	now you see what i mean would toyota`s standard pto takeoff be able to handle that sort of abuse? __________________ HDJ81 Daily driver 78 FJ55R-KC under construction 84 FJ40 NASTY RUSTY BUSH TRUK

09-17-07, 10:32 AM	#9
orangefj45 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: on thin ice Posts: 5,029	that sounds reeeeeeealy scarry. 25kph line speed?! don't get in the way of that fawker or you're toast. i'd still run an electric winch myself....... __________________ TLCA and PMC member looking for Advance Adapters parts? send me a pm!

09-17-07, 11:01 AM	#10
JohnnyC IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: albany area, ny TLCA# 2231 Posts: 2,770	a pierce 12500lb electric winch is pretty much hard core enough for me...slow and steady wins the race __________________ 1974 FJ40 OEM Soft Top 2004 Toyota Sienna LE (1) Child boy version (1) Child girl version (1) Child in Production 197 Wife TLC Literature and Manuals: http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series...y-lit-etc.html Toyota History: http://forum.ih8mud.com/fj25-owners-...ical-data.html TLC FST Canvas & Maintenance: http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series...soft-tops.html

09-18-07, 01:02 PM	#13
waydownunder80 IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: new zealand Posts: 75	down here we call them "winch challenges" and they are either some big mud holes or steep inclines,people use mainly hydraulic & PTO but i wanna build something that really cranks __________________ HDJ81 Daily driver 78 FJ55R-KC under construction 84 FJ40 NASTY RUSTY BUSH TRUK

09-18-07, 01:10 PM	#14
denis retired maths geek huh Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: buried in a pile of yota projects TLCA# ?! Posts: 1,062	what rig would this go in ? I had a brain fart while thinking about this thread the other day, I think it might be a brilliant idea but I probably won't have the time to build it before long __________________ '71MS75 threw a rod '74MS75 seized engine '75BJ40 farm tractor type R '79FJ55 rostig schwein '80BJ40 never ending resto '88LN65 frame-off '90HDJ80 the bear '92LN85 turbo ute

09-19-07, 01:12 PM	#16
waydownunder80 IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: new zealand Posts: 75	now were thinkin!! denis has finally clicked to what im on about so do you think its possible to put a transfer box in between the original vehicles gearbox & transfer case? like marlins toybox deal? __________________ HDJ81 Daily driver 78 FJ55R-KC under construction 84 FJ40 NASTY RUSTY BUSH TRUK

09-20-07, 05:31 AM	#17
agent orange IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Richmond, VA TLCA# 16545 Posts: 2,059	I think the dual case idea is the best option, as if you ran it straight off the PTO i could see that making for some really hairy extractions if you were ever in a tippy or technical spot. __________________ 1988 FJ 62- SUA, 1" body, 34" trxus mudders, 2.5" exhaust, 27spl Longs/Pig Inners, 4.88s, torsen LSD/lockright, 4runner brakes, other random stuff... 1986 pickup- 2wd, 22r, 4 speed, DD oh, and custom tree damage

09-22-07, 10:07 PM	#18
Jetboy IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 515	So I think I have a way to clutch it. Use an open diff and put a disk brake from something small on the non spool side. Then you engage the winch and all the power would run through the disc brake side and not pull any on the line. The power you send to the winch would be directly related to how much braking you do. Seems like a good way to control it and could be done on a low budget. Something like an e-brake with the cable run to a lever would work. I'm thinking this is only a comp type thing. __________________ jetboy, 75-40

09-24-07, 08:36 AM	#19
incogrhino I do hate mud Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: bland haven Meesheegun TLCA# 16350 Posts: 561	Yeah, you let off the lever and bad things happen.Maybe a ratchet type style hookup for it. __________________ Drafting the big bricks with my little brick 78'&80'fj40'&a83'fj60 Great Lakes Land Cruisers

10-01-07, 04:12 AM	#20
marting IH8MUD Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: I live in Oslo.. the biggest village in Norway Posts: 234	lots of old cruisers have a mechanical winch connected to the engine... maybe you could use one of those Many 40'2 and 60's have that .... it will lift you car straight off the ground .. or break the safety-pin __________________ HJ60..OSLO

10-03-07, 12:02 AM	#21
denis retired maths geek huh Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: buried in a pile of yota projects TLCA# ?! Posts: 1,062	with a 33:1 (-ish) ratio in the worm gear drive the line speed will be somewhat limited for comps. __________________ '71MS75 threw a rod '74MS75 seized engine '75BJ40 farm tractor type R '79FJ55 rostig schwein '80BJ40 never ending resto '88LN65 frame-off '90HDJ80 the bear '92LN85 turbo ute

10-03-07, 12:54 AM	#22
lowenbrau IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Calgary AB TLCA# 5513 Posts: 2,463	A 4:1 winch is the easy part. The hard part is the PTO. There's no way they'd be using any factory gear with anything as heavy as a Land Cruiser. I'm running a huge hydraulic pump off my PTO and that runs my 8000 lb Superwinch. Its about 2/3 as fast as an 8274 unloaded and about 10 times as fast at full load. __________________ Rocky Mountain Land Cruiser Association TLCA # 5513 '87BJ74, '86BJ70, '78FJ45, '53M100, '90M101cdn I support our Troopies

10-04-07, 09:30 PM	#23
Jetboy IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 515	what about mounting it on the front axle for a comp only vehicle. This way you could just put a chain drive off the front flange to the flange on the winch for power and use a clutch to engage the winch. I don't like the idea of a winch on the axle, but you would have full driveline power right there. __________________ jetboy, 75-40

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