[a.greenspan]

Originally Posted by Awl_TEQ

Saw that too - maybe they were raw

a)My first thought was that a.greenspan is from Germany
b) and perhaps they didn't import those years
c)and the chart is a German color chart??

a) right
b) right
(beginning Toyota FJ sale in Germany about 1974/75
and only FJ40 & FJ55, nothing else )
c) not right

Cheers
Peter

PS: would`t do such a big rear window,
Attachment 287933
just two small ones, like this side windows on my BJ43


would be more "old school "

[a.greenspan]

Originally Posted by a.greenspan

a) right


just two small ones, like this side windows on my BJ43 ...

would be more "old school "

quick google
like this ( but no side windows) :

[Awl_TEQ]

The sides don't need windows I guess, but I do want them to roll up for that open air look. The cab top will be removable and I'll get a bikini top and half doors. The roll cage will support the bikini.

I want windows in the front and back to allow some blurred vision of the impending impact.....

[45Kevin]

I have always thought of putting an extra tank on my truck. I think I read on here somewhere that an S10 plastic gas tank would fit nicely inside the rails. We had quite a discussion about where to put the filler tube for a spare tank a few years ago in this section.

The original colour of my truck was Dune Biege but the PO painted the truck silver. The interior is still original though.

Let me know if you need an extra hand or to confirm a measurement. What part of town are you in? I'm just off Bow Trail.

My truck has a 2.5" belton lift.

Is that a pipe I see running from the rear crossmember to the spare tire winch? My '78 doesn't have that but it would sure make things easier.

[Awl_TEQ]

SOLD

no not the truck!

The pipe or tube to 45kevin. I am removing the tire carrier crossmember and winch and pipe -- ya know you wanit I'll ship for free

I'm gonna put another tank back there for potable water. My two spares will mount to the side of the box behind each wheel hump.

I'm down in Bridlewood (read Spruce Meadows) - I work at Edmonton Trail and Mcknight Blvd.

As for the S10 tank - I'm going to fab a custom fit aluminum tank between the cab and rear diff and fill through the side of the box. My box will have a semi-permanent set of full length drawers and a custom fit deck on top of the drawers with four lockers in the corners. The deck will make the box about half as deep as it is normally. I can build around any filler fab that protrudes into the box.

[45Kevin]

Done deal.

I am busy this weekend but maybe the following week I'll get hold of you and arrange to come down to your place and visit.

Have you considered removing the stock tank completely for extra cab storage?

You must spend half your life commuting.

[Awl_TEQ]

Sound good. Going to the bike show?

About 25 min in the morning and 45 in the evening

In general having the tank in the cab is not ideal. Kind of unsafe. I'm going diesel but that burns too. I suppose one huge tank would be ok. What do I do with the stock filler in the corner of the cab? Maybe more water storage? Just blank it off? Storage drawers under both sides seat?

I was gonna use the stock fuel tank for daily driving and leave the aux normally empty.

[a.greenspan]

Originally Posted by Awl_TEQ

..., but I do want them to roll up for that open air look. The cab top will be removable and I'll get a bikini top and half doors. The roll cage will support the bikini.

I want windows in the front and back to allow some blurred vision of the impending impact.....

I do it
(drive most without the rear ambulance doors)


they do it too
listen the music & enjoy the truck

YouTube - Midnight Oil - Beds are Burning

Cheers
Peter

Information about the weather in Berlin
-12 degree Celsius = 10.4 degree Fahrenheit, brrr
cold this days

[Awl_TEQ]

45kevin

I looked at the spare winch tube and it seems to be a PO mod. Just a piece of scrap tube welded poorly in place. Your still welcome to it though.

The crossmember and winch are also up for grabs if you or anyone else needs them. I'm going to take it out tomorrow and mock up a cardboard tank to be replicated in 3/16" aluminum and bolt up right where the crossmember is.

[Awl_TEQ]

I was all ready to grind off the rivets until I realized the thing was just bolted in. A little penetrating fluid and 12mm wrench did the trick.


This will give me much more space for a water tank. I plan on hot showers on the trail and the kitchen sink.


The tire winch and crossmember are in great shape. I have other plans for my spares and won't need it.

[Awl_TEQ]

45kevin - I'm afraid the tube is a total loss I had to persuade the weld to let go. Sorry man.

[Awl_TEQ]

I had to remove this exhaust hanger to gain a little more volume in my tank. The new exhaust will run down the other side of the truck.


I mocked up a cardboard tank and test fitted it. I like to do it this way so I can better visualize the end product.


Side view. The departure angle of these LPB's isn't great and I have visions of the tail end slamming into the ground as I go over an obstacle. I kept the tank up high and I am contemplating some sort of skid plate or slider for protection.

[Awl_TEQ]

A couple more...I kind like it. I'll have to calculate the volume.




The auxiliary fuel tank will go ahead of the rear axle but I ran out of cardboard for now. I did take some time and plan out the receiver and rear bumper. I start work on that during the week.

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

Looks great. Wanna build an extra while your at it?

[Awl_TEQ]

That could be arranged. I'm planning to make it from 3/16" aluminum with internal baffles to counteract the slosh effect. I'm gonna use the mounting holes from the crossmember as well as prolly 4 more tabs to hold it up. It'll have a drain fitting, filler fitting, an air fitting, a "water out" fitting and pressure relief. I'm gonna use 10psi or so from the on board air to force the water to where I want it. At the moment I don't know what I'll use for a fill location. Maybe an RV type panel fitting on the side of the box beside the added fuel filler. I'll also have to winterize and drain the tank 7 months of the year - unless I heat it - I have two more small tanks for water planned in the box.

24 - are you looking for a water or fuel tank?

[Awl_TEQ]

I thought I should research the aluminum potable water tank idea a little before actually making the tank. My concern was any bad tasting water due to the aluminum. A little surfing turned up a lot of mention of bad taste and corrosion caused by aluminum. I could use a potable water epoxy liner but thoroughly covering the inside of the tank and all baffles would be a bit troublesome. So, aluminum is out. My next thought was a thin stainless liner and a thicker wrap of aluminum almost like a skid plate. Galvanic corrosion between the stainless and aluminum would be trouble and the design would get more complicated. That leaves only one option I can think of at the moment - thick stainless tank. That would keep the taste issue at bay, as long as I keep the tank clean with periodic chlorine treatment and rinse. I'm ditching the pressurized tank idea, at least for the main storage tank. A shur-flo RV pump seems to make more sense. I need to calculate the volume of my cardboard tank and decide if I need to go bigger.

So what say all ye proffesors of the University of Mudd? Poke holes in my plan please.

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

Originally Posted by Awl_TEQ

That could be arranged.

24 - are you looking for a water or fuel tank?

Fuel tank would be my first choice.

[Awl_TEQ]

Originally Posted by 24HOURSOFNEVADA

Fuel tank would be my first choice.

Yeah, I could make you a tank. What do you want for material. I could do a basic tank and you add the fittings and holes wherever you want. All liability and legal issues would be yours of course.

[Awl_TEQ]

If my calculations are correct the cardboard tank should hold about 21 US gallons or 80L.

24 - if that's not big enough I'm gonna do a fuel tank on mine ahead of the rear axle between the frame rails. It will hang down beside the drive shaft a little and then over the shaft. It will occupy as much volume as I can get between the rear axle and the cab/transfer case. I'll layout that one during this week.

Kevin

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

Originally Posted by Awl_TEQ

If my calculations are correct the cardboard tank should hold about 21 US gallons or 80L.

24 - if that's not big enough I'm gonna do a fuel tank on mine ahead of the rear axle between the frame rails. It will hang down beside the drive shaft a little and then over the shaft. It will occupy as much volume as I can get between the rear axle and the cab/transfer case. I'll layout that one during this week.

Kevin

I'll pm you so we don't fill up your build thread with a tank for me.

[Awl_TEQ]

I had a plan for building the rear 2" hitch receiver but after talking to a couple of the more experienced guys at work I altered it a little. It has to be very strong - not only for the obvious reasons but because I plan on using my second 8274 on a hitch mount in the rear as well. I am going to remove the rearmost crossmember from the frame and replace it with a 2"x4"x1/4" wall tube. I am doing this to keep the receiver sleeve as high as possible to preserve what little departure angle I have and for strength. The sleeve will be cut into the tube and gussets will strengthen it. The sleeve will also be directly in line with the frame and the pulling forces will be sent down the factory triangulated frame into the main frame rails. The tube will be bolted on rather than welded because the flex of the frame would tend to crack the steel beside the welds over time. I will bolt it to the angled frame channels with two 3/16" flat bars welded to the new tube. I will also fab up two channels to bolt inside the main frame rails and weld to the tube.

Here are some pics.

The frame is in great shape - still has the original paint in places.


I got out quite a few tools - decided to grind off the rivet heads and drill 90% of the diameter of the rivet and then use a small punch to hammer it out. I am being careful to preserve the member because someone may be interested in it for their truck.

[Awl_TEQ]

Got all the center ones out - are there usually rivets in the center 4 holes? mine were all out and those holes are 1/2" instead of 3/8" like the others.


And the ends - top and bottom.


And she's off...

[Awl_TEQ]

I laid out the center rivet hole pattern on the tube. I will be bolting through these holes. There will be another plate inside the tube with tapped holes in it.


To add strength I will be running the receiver sleeve through the 2x4 tube. To cut the hole without a torch I drilled 4 holes and will use a good jigsaw to finish. It is offset to the bottom of the 2x4 tube to clear the rear valence of the box.


One side done.

[Awl_TEQ]

Two sides done

[Awl_TEQ]

I will weld flat bars to be bolted to the angled channels


And fab a channel 10" or 12" long to fit inside the frame rail then bolt through the top and bottom flanges.


In total, there will be 16 bolts holding her on. The only thing I don't like is when the frame is out for plating and powder there will be no crossmember holding everything firm. I'll have to make a temporary jig to hold it all together.

[24HOURSOFNEVADA]

Look's great.

[Awl_TEQ]

Could you guys help me out here? I plan on using some round tube to come off the rear crossmember I've made above. I'm gonna make it like two "bumper-ettes" that come back, out to the corners and turn forward toward the rear axle then back in to the frame for a slider effect on the tail end. I want to dress it up a little and need some ideas. I searched the ih8mud home page for ideas in the bumper/slider and roll cage galleries - searched for rear bumper threads - searched the internet etc. etc. I'd like to see any and all rear tube bumpers and exo-skeleton treatments of the rear corner on any type of rig. I want protection but not ugly protection - the back of the bed is just 16 ga. sheet metal hanging down and the departure angle sucks as it is.

Please post pics of anything for ideas

Thanks.....

[Awl_TEQ]

stuff like this.....







More please ..........

[krzyabncanuck]

I have nothing for slider ideas but just to say you are making great progress.

[BinaryDude]

Forget a tank... want to make an extra bumper?

Looking good.