Project Old Fart 1960 FJ25 softop

pardion · 01-20-06, 10:44 PM

Everything is dissasembled now, the (temporary) sprung over frame has been pushed outside and has had a bath, It's amazing how good the 46 year old cream colored paint has held up. About 10 lbs. of mud and rocks are now removed from inside the frame channels. I'm doing the metal fabwork on the tub before it gets media blasted. 165 holes needed to be welded up or patched. So far about 100 are done. The large parts to fix are the 3 gauge holes in the dash, the radio cutout in the dash, the 5" dia. holes in the rear from resessed tail and stop lights, and the normal cruiser rust in the back channel. I had a local sheet metal shop brake me a new c-channel to replace the bad one, $4.67, Must be some profit for these aftermarket sheet metal parts. I hope to have the tub all welded this weekend. John Pardi

74fj40 · 01-21-06, 12:25 AM

sounds like its comin along nicely, but im afraid im gonna have to say it, we need some pictures...

how the project turns out well

foxfab · 01-21-06, 08:13 AM

Can I ask why you are doing the metal work before the media blasting? On mine, my thoughts were to have it blasted first to expose any other weak metal, then fix what needs fixing.

pardion · 01-21-06, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by foxfab

Can I ask why you are doing the metal work before the media blasting? On mine, my thoughts were to have it blasted first to expose any other weak metal, then fix what needs fixing.

I'm doing the repairs and metal repairs first because luckally rust is not that bad, just the rear channel and bottom corners, mabye the 6 paint jobs this one had helped preserve it. when it comes back from the blasting i'll be ready to acid etch prime, underneath the tub, firewall and any areas that do not need filler. this way they won't flash rust while sanding, sanding and sanding. John #3

FJnotCJ · 01-21-06, 11:29 AM

Hey John-Looks like the staff photographer won't be around any time soon, a green group via the 9th (?) circuit court has closed the sale, so I'm getting a lot of hot tub time in MT...sooo, I guess I'll send the goods out soon (give ya time to add to your list if tou want)....I WILL be down, I don't know when, my truck is still loaded with Pig parts for Greg

Cruiser_Nerd · 01-21-06, 05:39 PM

Hey, even John #1 has figured out the old digital camera.

Are you going to keep the original look (wheels, seats, etc.?) and just update the drivetrain?

Oh, and what year is this FJ25 John, and what kind of project would you call it, rebuild? resto? resto-mod?

LandCruiserSteve · 01-21-06, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cruiser_Nerd

Hey, even John #1 has figured out the old digital camera.

Heck . . . I even went out and bought a digital camera just for this board.

Where are the darn pics, Mr. #3??

pardion · 01-21-06, 09:42 PM

Okay guys and gals, give me a week and I'll be a photo journalist, but till then I have work to do. Jim I guess this is a rebuild/restore/renew get it back on the road job. most everything from the body up will be 99% stock 1960 FJ25 softop. I using a 2f enginge 78 4 speed tranny and transfer case, 1962/40 rear axle housing with 69/40 brakes and 1979/40 3.70 third member. Front axle is the stock 1960 with ball claw axles, 69 brakes and 79/40 3.70 third member, with drive flanges so I can have the stock non cut out hubcaps. Cut the body more than I thought I would today, Welded 46 holes up on the firewall, then started cutting the back channel off and noticed how badly dented the floor panel was so I cut it out. I grabbed a tub from a donor 76/softop 40 in the yard and cut the rear bed area out to put in the 25. I can use the piece I had made up to cap the rear and cover the 76 rabbit for the ambulance doors. "Film at 11", Thanks, John

LandCruiserSteve · 01-22-06, 07:03 AM

Sounds lke an interesting and slick build-up, John.

Are you going with the 3.70 third members (as opposed to 4.11) because they're already packed with those R&P's?

What are you going to be using for the actual soft-top . . . . the bows and/or fabric from your '76 40 soft-top?

How about front doors and tailgate style?

What color is (or will be) your 25?

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Originally Posted by pardion

"Film at 11"

I've got my TV set tuned and standing by!!

LandCruiserSteve · 01-22-06, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by pardion

Front axle is the stock 1960 with ball claw axles, 69 brakes

Are you swapping out the 1960's front backing plates to accomadate the 1969's wheel cylinders, shoes, drums, etc.?? Single or dual curcuit MC?

Cruiser_Nerd · 01-22-06, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pardion

Front axle is the stock 1960 with ball claw axles, 69 brakes and 79/40 3.70 third member, with drive flanges so I can have the stock non cut out hubcaps.

Now that sounds like something I would do!!

pardion · 01-22-06, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LandCruiserSteve

Sounds lke an interesting and slick build-up, John.

Are you going with the 3.70 third members (as opposed to 4.11) because they're already packed with those R&P's?

What are you going to be using for the actual soft-top . . . . the bows and/or fabric from your '76 40 soft-top?

How about front doors and tailgate style?

What color is (or will be) your 25?

I've got my TV set tuned and standing by!!

I'm using 3.70's so the boig 6 engine is not screaming wile driving 65 mph (yes I plan on using this as a daily driver in the summer). I still need to find or make a factory B type softop frame doors and canvass. This is a tailgate model with jump seats. Not sure what color yet. John

pardion · 01-22-06, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by LandCruiserSteve

Are you swapping out the 1960's front backing plates to accomadate the 1969's wheel cylinders, shoes, drums, etc.?? Single or dual curcuit MC?

Lets just say 1968 from the knuckles out, Dual. John

pardion · 01-22-06, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FJnotCJ

Hey John-Looks like the staff photographer won't be around any time soon, a green group via the 9th (?) circuit court has closed the sale, so I'm getting a lot of hot tub time in MT...sooo, I guess I'll send the goods out soon (give ya time to add to your list if tou want)....I WILL be down, I don't know when, my truck is still loaded with Pig parts for Greg

I'll just push your pile of stuff further into the corner of the shop. Parts needed, bottom front bumper gusset thingeys (or drawing) ----- strap that goes over tool box (or drawing) ---I need something to put my factory HHH padlock on. ---Choke knob and cable ----bracket for hand crank for front bumper (or drawing) --- parts to fix one wiper motor (John 2 ) That's all right now. John

LandCruiserSteve · 01-23-06, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by pardion

Lets just say 1968 from the knuckles out, Dual. John

Oh, darn . . . then I guess you'll miss all the fun related to FJ25 brakes.

FJnotCJ · 02-01-06, 11:13 AM

I conducted a suprise inspection of the Pardi garage last night, found him marking the wheel wells for slightly larger tires "while the sawsall is out"...Sadie the Merciless rides in expansive cargo area

FJnotCJ · 02-01-06, 11:14 AM

Temporary spring over is still sprung

FJnotCJ · 02-01-06, 11:24 AM

Lots of extra holes are filled....rust repairs underway...things are coming right along! John showed me a possible factory heater switch, I shoulda got a pic of that...impressive parts piles!

Living in the Past · 02-01-06, 11:32 AM

John do you still need a picture and drawing of the bottom bumper gussets? I will be at the cabin this weekend and can trace you a drawing of a stock one.

John

pardion · 02-01-06, 06:55 PM

The bumper gusset template is comming from Phil. I need---drawing or pattern for the engine crank handle bracket that attaches to the front bumper, battery tray,drawing or pattern. Thanks in advance, John

FJnotCJ · 02-01-06, 08:44 PM

Engine crank handle bracket pattern is on the way to you....not gusset, so you still need one of those

FJnotCJ · 02-01-06, 10:34 PM

John- a pic of the battery tray brackets on the frame....

pardion · 02-02-06, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Living in the Past

John do you still need a picture and drawing of the bottom bumper gussets? I will be at the cabin this weekend and can trace you a drawing of a stock one.

John

Yes I do need a template of the bumper lower gusset's, and a vac wiper shaft and the thumb and finger handle.

pardion · 02-02-06, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by FJnotCJ

Engine crank handle bracket pattern is on the way to you....not gusset, so you still need one of those

Thank's for clearing that up.

foxfab · 02-02-06, 10:21 AM

Are those two seperate brackets for the battery tray?

Also, the seller Aatlas whatever (Shane) on Ebay that has a lot of the repro stickers is also reproducing the crank bracket. He says they should be done soon.

Living in the Past · 02-02-06, 10:40 AM

Those are the two brackets that bolt to the frame. There is a third piece that the battery rest on with the tie down. If I remember correctly the tie down runs across the battery the long way not the short way like the FJ40. I thing there was a good picture of the battery box in those pictures I emailed you a while back Mike.

John

Living in the Past · 02-02-06, 11:18 AM

John you do know the top bracket for the bumper is a different size then the ones on the FJ40s after 1961? I ask this because if you don't have the right top bracket the bottom one won't work. I found this out when I went to Oregon to pick up my grey FJ25 and found out I had to modify my FJ40 towing bumper to fit a FJ25. You can use the FJ40 brackets to make the ones for the FJ25 it's just shorter. Let me know if you need a pattern for this too. The problem with the FJ25 is the stock PTO winch will not fit the bumper, you have to modify it.

John

pardion · 02-06-06, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Living in the Past

John you do know the top bracket for the bumper is a different size then the ones on the FJ40s after 1961? I ask this because if you don't have the right top bracket the bottom one won't work. I found this out when I went to Oregon to pick up my grey FJ25 and found out I had to modify my FJ40 towing bumper to fit a FJ25. You can use the FJ40 brackets to make the ones for the FJ25 it's just shorter. Let me know if you need a pattern for this too. The problem with the FJ25 is the stock PTO winch will not fit the bumper, you have to modify it.

John

Hey, John Pendle, I do have original upper bumper brackts, Thanks for the warning. I was going to put a factory PTO winch on the OLD FART, but decided. It's a FJ 25, (don't need no stinkin winch) Going hot and heavy on metal fab this week. I still have not found a teacher for the dig camera I bought 3 years ago. I think that I'm just a bad student. John

foxfab · 02-07-06, 06:16 AM

I just sent out the crank bracket to the laser cutter.

How fast will you be needing the bumper brackets? I could have those done too. I'm also thinking of having shackles done. I just got the last 6 NOS FJ40 shackles in the USA and of course, the pins are the same but the shackle is different.

pardion · 02-07-06, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by foxfab

I just sent out the crank bracket to the laser cutter.

How fast will you be needing the bumper brackets? I could have those done too. I'm also thinking of having shackles done. I just got the last 6 NOS FJ40 shackles in the USA and of course, the pins are the same but the shackle is different.

Thanks Mike, FJ not Cj sent me a pattern of the crank bracket. bumper brackets are almost last on the list, all I need is a sketch with dimentions, and 1/2 hour in the garage.

01-21-06, 12:25 AM	#2
74fj40 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Highlands Ranch, Colorado Posts: 2,065	sounds like its comin along nicely, but im afraid im gonna have to say it, we need some pictures... how the project turns out well __________________ Max Parkinson 72' FJ40-4" lift, FJ60 axles, FJ60 4speed with split case, 35's, detroit locker, 96"WB, saginaw with GM tilt column. badass.

01-21-06, 05:39 PM	#6
Cruiser_Nerd That 25 Guy. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Higganum. TLCA# 12092 Posts: 2,550	Hey, even John #1 has figured out the old digital camera. Are you going to keep the original look (wheels, seats, etc.?) and just update the drivetrain? Oh, and what year is this FJ25 John, and what kind of project would you call it, rebuild? resto? resto-mod? __________________ Jim FJ25.com "The FJ25 is almost humorous in its simplicity, but therein lies its beauty." Nina Padgett - Autoweek

02-01-06, 11:13 AM	#16
FJnotCJ False Economist Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: MT Posts: 647	I conducted a suprise inspection of the Pardi garage last night, found him marking the wheel wells for slightly larger tires "while the sawsall is out"...Sadie the Merciless rides in expansive cargo area Attached Images

02-01-06, 11:14 AM	#17
FJnotCJ False Economist Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: MT Posts: 647	Temporary spring over is still sprung Attached Images

02-01-06, 11:24 AM	#18
FJnotCJ False Economist Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: MT Posts: 647	Lots of extra holes are filled....rust repairs underway...things are coming right along! John showed me a possible factory heater switch, I shoulda got a pic of that...impressive parts piles! Attached Images

01-20-06, 10:44 PM	#1
pardion IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 TLCA# 1561 Posts: 413	Project Old Fart 1960 FJ25 softop Everything is dissasembled now, the (temporary) sprung over frame has been pushed outside and has had a bath, It's amazing how good the 46 year old cream colored paint has held up. About 10 lbs. of mud and rocks are now removed from inside the frame channels. I'm doing the metal fabwork on the tub before it gets media blasted. 165 holes needed to be welded up or patched. So far about 100 are done. The large parts to fix are the 3 gauge holes in the dash, the radio cutout in the dash, the 5" dia. holes in the rear from resessed tail and stop lights, and the normal cruiser rust in the back channel. I had a local sheet metal shop brake me a new c-channel to replace the bad one, $4.67, Must be some profit for these aftermarket sheet metal parts. I hope to have the tub all welded this weekend. John Pardi

01-21-06, 08:13 AM	#3
foxfab IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NK, RI TLCA# 9838 Posts: 2,130	Can I ask why you are doing the metal work before the media blasting? On mine, my thoughts were to have it blasted first to expose any other weak metal, then fix what needs fixing. __________________ YANKEETOYS.ORG Member of the elite FJ25 club Low range? We Don't Need No Stinkin' Low Range Why would you want to put a round tire in a square wheel well?

01-21-06, 11:29 AM	#5
FJnotCJ False Economist Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: MT Posts: 647	Hey John-Looks like the staff photographer won't be around any time soon, a green group via the 9th (?) circuit court has closed the sale, so I'm getting a lot of hot tub time in MT...sooo, I guess I'll send the goods out soon (give ya time to add to your list if tou want)....I WILL be down, I don't know when, my truck is still loaded with Pig parts for Greg

01-21-06, 09:42 PM	#8
pardion IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 TLCA# 1561 Posts: 413	Okay guys and gals, give me a week and I'll be a photo journalist, but till then I have work to do. Jim I guess this is a rebuild/restore/renew get it back on the road job. most everything from the body up will be 99% stock 1960 FJ25 softop. I using a 2f enginge 78 4 speed tranny and transfer case, 1962/40 rear axle housing with 69/40 brakes and 1979/40 3.70 third member. Front axle is the stock 1960 with ball claw axles, 69 brakes and 79/40 3.70 third member, with drive flanges so I can have the stock non cut out hubcaps. Cut the body more than I thought I would today, Welded 46 holes up on the firewall, then started cutting the back channel off and noticed how badly dented the floor panel was so I cut it out. I grabbed a tub from a donor 76/softop 40 in the yard and cut the rear bed area out to put in the 25. I can use the piece I had made up to cap the rear and cover the 76 rabbit for the ambulance doors. "Film at 11", Thanks, John

02-01-06, 11:32 AM	#19
Living in the Past IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Phoenix,AZ but it's a dry heat Posts: 1,528	John do you still need a picture and drawing of the bottom bumper gussets? I will be at the cabin this weekend and can trace you a drawing of a stock one. John

02-01-06, 06:55 PM	#20
pardion IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 TLCA# 1561 Posts: 413	The bumper gusset template is comming from Phil. I need---drawing or pattern for the engine crank handle bracket that attaches to the front bumper, battery tray,drawing or pattern. Thanks in advance, John

02-01-06, 08:44 PM	#21
FJnotCJ False Economist Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: MT Posts: 647	Engine crank handle bracket pattern is on the way to you....not gusset, so you still need one of those

02-01-06, 10:34 PM	#22
FJnotCJ False Economist Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: MT Posts: 647	John- a pic of the battery tray brackets on the frame.... Attached Images

02-02-06, 10:21 AM	#25
foxfab IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NK, RI TLCA# 9838 Posts: 2,130	Are those two seperate brackets for the battery tray? Also, the seller Aatlas whatever (Shane) on Ebay that has a lot of the repro stickers is also reproducing the crank bracket. He says they should be done soon. __________________ YANKEETOYS.ORG Member of the elite FJ25 club Low range? We Don't Need No Stinkin' Low Range Why would you want to put a round tire in a square wheel well?

02-02-06, 10:40 AM	#26
Living in the Past IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Phoenix,AZ but it's a dry heat Posts: 1,528	Those are the two brackets that bolt to the frame. There is a third piece that the battery rest on with the tie down. If I remember correctly the tie down runs across the battery the long way not the short way like the FJ40. I thing there was a good picture of the battery box in those pictures I emailed you a while back Mike. John

02-02-06, 11:18 AM	#27
Living in the Past IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Phoenix,AZ but it's a dry heat Posts: 1,528	John you do know the top bracket for the bumper is a different size then the ones on the FJ40s after 1961? I ask this because if you don't have the right top bracket the bottom one won't work. I found this out when I went to Oregon to pick up my grey FJ25 and found out I had to modify my FJ40 towing bumper to fit a FJ25. You can use the FJ40 brackets to make the ones for the FJ25 it's just shorter. Let me know if you need a pattern for this too. The problem with the FJ25 is the stock PTO winch will not fit the bumper, you have to modify it. John

02-07-06, 06:16 AM	#29
foxfab IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NK, RI TLCA# 9838 Posts: 2,130	I just sent out the crank bracket to the laser cutter. How fast will you be needing the bumper brackets? I could have those done too. I'm also thinking of having shackles done. I just got the last 6 NOS FJ40 shackles in the USA and of course, the pins are the same but the shackle is different. __________________ YANKEETOYS.ORG Member of the elite FJ25 club Low range? We Don't Need No Stinkin' Low Range Why would you want to put a round tire in a square wheel well?