A little competition coming for the FJ...

[calamaridog]

Originally Posted by sos10

That Jeep looks nice (from the outside) and being able to take off the top has its good and bad sides.. I seriously thought about it, but only for a day or so.. then I realised... A Jeep is not a Toyota!

And yet, if you wanted a weekend vehicle for fun, and not for daily driving, the temptation would be real.

[taccruiser97]

Originally Posted by jfonz

ya, the the rear role bar is kinda goofy looking, but it looks good with the top on....

I like that 4 door Wrangler Rubicon. Toyota missed the mark a little bit with the FJ Cruiser. I would have loved to see a 4 door, solid axle, lockers front and rear, FJ Cruiser.

Oh wait, Toyota did make something similar, my 97 FZJ 80 CE. They just need to rethink the FJ Cruiser when the inevitable model changes come in a few years. I would like to see Toyota do something like the above 4 door Wrangler, but as a true homage to the FJ 40.

[fuelgeddes]

It is a nice looking truck, but I still think my lx450 looks better. I do agree with some the FjC has a ugly rear on it and would love to see the top come off on it. I think jeep is trying to turn some heads.

[BOUNDER]

Originally Posted by jfonz

You also must remember that jeep has traded hands quite a bit in the last 30 years, and now resides with the same group that makes mercedes. So, if you don't think the new wrangler is compatition, you might won't to take your blinders off....or then again maybe there is no compatition?

Give me a !@$$!!@# break - what is with all you knuckleheads associating a HEEP with Mercedes? Keep dreaming.

[Granger]

Originally Posted by jfonz

I think with the FJC Toyota changed there price structureing as soon as they saw how excited people were about them. I wen't to the dealer ship the other day and to get the one I wonted ordered it would have cost me about 28K, and fully loaded,the price can jump up to 36K.

Wow that seems high and I own one. My local dealer had a 4x4 MT (standard rear locker) with the conv package and alloy wheels with an MSRP of $26 and mine is a AT 4x4 with conv pkg, upgrade pkg 1, side airbags, trd exhaust, rock rails and hitch with an MSRP of $30K.

Here is an auto with
CONVIENCE PACKAGE - CQ
AL - 17 INCH ALLOY WHEELS
DL - REAR DIFFERENTIAL LOCK
FE - 50 STATE EMISSION REQUIREMENT
GY - DR/PASS CURTAIN/SIDE AIRBAGS

MSRP: $27,385, priced at $26,447

[jfonz]

Originally Posted by BOUNDER

Give me a !@$$!!@# break - what is with all you knuckleheads associating a HEEP with Mercedes? Keep dreaming.

Its not a matter of saying a Jeeps is a mercedes and not a jeep any more, its a matter of pointing out who is now in charge of its manufacturing and development, and the new resources and technology Jeep now has to develop its line. Its still Chrysler right? NOPE! The management has changed. as a result of a $38billion merger, DaimlerChrysler was born from the merger of one of the largest European industrial firms, Daimler Benz, and one of the largest American corperations. In truth it was not so much a merger but an "acquisition" for Daimler Benz of Chrysler.

I've met several of the jeeps design team, and engineers. You would be surprised how close and direct DaimlerChrysler is involved with there products, and how much sharing there is with jeep and mercedes, for example; the new 07 grands are going to be avialible with a 3.0L diesel built by Mercedes-Benz (which quite likely will find its way into the new Wrangler).

[jfonz]

Originally Posted by Granger

Wow that seems high and I own one. My local dealer had a 4x4 MT (standard rear locker) with the conv package and alloy wheels with an MSRP of $26 and mine is a AT 4x4 with conv pkg, upgrade pkg 1, side airbags, trd exhaust, rock rails and hitch with an MSRP of $30K.

Here is an auto with
CONVIENCE PACKAGE - CQ
AL - 17 INCH ALLOY WHEELS
DL - REAR DIFFERENTIAL LOCK
FE - 50 STATE EMISSION REQUIREMENT
GY - DR/PASS CURTAIN/SIDE AIRBAGS

MSRP: $27,385, priced at $26,447

Thats a great price. Every dealer I've gone to hear in utah the price has been way over that. One of them has been marking up the price as much as $3000 over sticker. The best price we've got so far actually came directly from toyota's website. The lowest price I could get a locker and AT was $28,300. Its becuase it requires you to get the conviniance package and upgrade package 1, it all added up to $28,300. The dealers are also giving NO dicounts, atleast the ones I've been to so far, though I think maplton cruiser got a bit of a deal on his and he's in the neigborhood, so....

[Granger]

Originally Posted by jfonz

Thats a great price. Every dealer I've gone to hear in utah the price has been way over that. One of them has been marking up the price as much as $3000 over sticker. The best price we've got so far actually came directly from toyota's website. The lowest price I could get a locker and AT was $28,300. Its becuase it requires you to get the conviniance package and upgrade package 1, it all added up to $28,300. The dealers are also giving NO dicounts, atleast the ones I've been to so far, though I think maplton cruiser got a bit of a deal on his and he's in the neigborhood, so....

Sorry to hear that. The rear locker is a stand alone option and doesn't require anything save buying a 4x4. That being said, I don't think Toyota has built/sold one without the Conv package yet. The link I posted before was for www.fitzmall.com All of their FJCs are about $1K under MSRP at the moment.

[jfonz]

Originally Posted by Granger

Sorry to hear that. The rear locker is a stand alone option and doesn't require anything save buying a 4x4. That being said, I don't think Toyota has built/sold one without the Conv package yet. The link I posted before was for www.fitzmall.com All of their FJCs are about $1K under MSRP at the moment.

Even though there on the other side of the country I'm going to give them a call Its possible I can find what I'm looking for, have it shipped, and still endup with a lower price....

[greytandy]

Originally Posted by jfonz

Even though there on the other side of the country I'm going to give them a call Its possible I can find what I'm looking for, have it shipped, and still endup with a lower price....

If you're going to do that, bypass Fitzgerald's and go to Carmax Toyota in Laurel, MD. They have a true no-haggle policy and are far more reputable than Fitzgerald's. They also have a network of dealerships that allow transfer for a fee. My wife used to sell cars in the DC area and knows who's good and who isn't. We got our cruiser at Carmax and it was a wonderful experience.

[jfonz]

Originally Posted by greytandy

If you're going to do that, bypass Fitzgerald's and go to Carmax Toyota in Laurel, MD. They have a true no-haggle policy and are far more reputable than Fitzgerald's. They also have a network of dealerships that allow transfer for a fee. My wife used to sell cars in the DC area and knows who's good and who isn't. We got our cruiser at Carmax and it was a wonderful experience.

I just checked with them. Still coming in over 28000 for an auto.... I guess if you won't an automatic your definetly going to be paying an extra 2K....

[greytandy]

Originally Posted by jfonz

I just checked with them. Still coming in over 28000 for an auto.... I guess if you won't an automatic your definetly going to be paying an extra 2K....

If you believe you're actually going to get the vehicle at the online price from Fitzgerald's. Trust me, there will be hidden "add-ons". The "reasonable" online price or quote is to get you in the door.

[Granger]

Originally Posted by greytandy

If you believe you're actually going to get the vehicle at the online price from Fitzgerald's. Trust me, there will be hidden "add-ons". The "reasonable" online price or quote is to get you in the door.

I totally disagree. I bought mine from them an paid the internet price. They offer a "value price" which is a couple hundred more and includes oil changes, loaner car etc... Becuase of my distance to the dealer (40 miles) I didn't think it was worth it. I told them I was paying the internet price and that is what I paid. The check that I wrote them was for the internet price + sales tax + title and tags.

I ordered my truck from them and they only put on it what I wanted. No floor mats, nothing I didn't want. Total time in the dealership was 1 hour. They do try and sell you a lot of additional things like warranty, undercoating, etching, etc... but I made it clear I wasn't interested and they stopped offering.

[greytandy]

Originally Posted by Granger

Total time in the dealership was 1 hour.

That is truly amazing!

I'm glad you got a good deal. Maybe I'll see you on the road. Look for an overweight, middle-aged guy with a shaved head in a black/white FJC.

[Granger]

Originally Posted by greytandy

That is truly amazing!

I'm glad you got a good deal. Maybe I'll see you on the road. Look for an overweight, middle-aged guy with a shaved head in a black/white FJC.

Sounds like you just described me If you havn't yet you should check out the Capital Land Cruiser Club Really great group and once things calm down a little for me I plan on being a lot more active.

[Blues Dawg]

I have put a 6'2" 250 lb friend in the back seat of my FJ and he's still my friend - no problem with space, but the door is a little awkward.

Has anyone seen the Bronco concept vehicle? It's pretty ugo.

I've owned many vehicles, and the Toys have always been best all around.

[DBS311]

As an EB owner, I was excited to hear that Ford might come out with another Bronco. Unfortunately, what they have presented is the biggest piece of crap that should never be associated with the Bronco name and heritage. Think Ford Escape with a box shaped body. 4 wheel independent suspension, no low range, operates primarly in front wheel drive until slip is detected and sends power to the rear wheels.............I think you get the idea.

[okie]

Originally Posted by jfonz

ya, the the rear role bar is kinda goofy looking, but it looks good with the top on....

haha now its looks like an h3. It looks good ebcause it doesn't look like a yeep

[jfonz]

I think it looks more like a G-wagon than anything...

[Michael1]

Originally Posted by Fman

And not being able to remove the top??? I still cant figure that one out.

That's an easy one. Toyota wanted a vehicle with a stiff body structure for good on-road ride, and from what I have seen they accomplished this very well. You can never get as good body stiffness with a removable top.

Michael

[SunFuCru]

Wont know until i itry it, but that back door looks just about useless. And since it is there, the front door is pretty small too. I like the huge door on the FJ and since I raely need to use the suicide door, it is not a problem. I'd rather have the larger front door than a pathetic standard rear door.

Not too bad looking for a Jeep. I still like my FJ better. Maybe one day I will get brave and will cut the top off of it and have a good canvas shop make up a soft top. A nice Defender 90 like roll cage would be slick also. If only I wasnt a chicken.

[FJMouse]

I have a Jeep and an FJ and I love them both. Can't we all just get along?????

[MiniPigg]

Zero competition. Looks more like they are trying to compete with the lower line hummers.

[jfonz]

Originally Posted by SunFuCru

Wont know until i itry it, but that back door looks just about useless. And since it is there, the front door is pretty small too. I like the huge door on the FJ and since I raely need to use the suicide door, it is not a problem. I'd rather have the larger front door than a pathetic standard rear door.

Not too bad looking for a Jeep. I still like my FJ better. Maybe one day I will get brave and will cut the top off of it and have a good canvas shop make up a soft top. A nice Defender 90 like roll cage would be slick also. If only I wasnt a chicken.

Rumor has it toyota is working on a removable top for the FJC's so it might be as easy as puting a 4sale sign up & making a visit to the dealer some day....

[Michael1]

Originally Posted by jfonz

Rumor has it toyota is working on a removable top for the FJC's so it might be as easy as puting a 4sale sign up & making a visit to the dealer some day....

Let's hope they keep the hardtop model, as well. There would be too many compromises to make the top removable.

Michael

[a990dna]

Originally Posted by calamaridog

My favorite problem is the "Liberty Pull". What is that? It's the pull to the right which is always there and is considered "normal" by Jeep. All Liberty's pull to the right.

That's so they'll go straight in the fast lane on the freeway.


The concept version Jeep Rescue:

[Russian]

Originally Posted by johnny4ever

Ever seen the Hilux video???

It was long ago, that Hilux was from '80s, leaf springs, axles and simple diesel. Nowaday hiluxes are same thing mitsu, mazda etc making - ifs, rack steering, efi/common rail/computer managed diesels. Face it, FJC is good marketing positioned SUV, not tough offroader as 40 was - Ultimate Adventure buildup shows it - axles, steering box, low-geared atlas t-case instead of Runner's road-friendly front drivetrain/suspension. There're few true offroaders left in production- Nissan Patrol, LR Defender, Toyota 70- and 105-series.

[Tapage]

Originally Posted by Russian

There're few true offroaders left in production- Nissan Patrol, LR Defender, Toyota 70- and 105-series.

I didn't put my money in Defender ( just IMOP ) coz they axles aren't strong enough to run huge tires ..

Toy and Nissan axles are ready to run over 35" stock ..

[Drinkin40s]

As much as I would love having the four doors and convertible top, I don't think it will look that good with the doors off since the existing TJ's have the removable door pillar.