Fluids

joebob2586 · 09-06-08, 09:45 PM

Alright Stupid question, im going to do an oil change in a couple days, i have already changed fluid in my front and rear diffs, but i want to do my transmission and xfer case, do they share the same drain port or do they have seperate ones, and where do they fill from. Thanks for the help...

knoll0351 · 09-07-08, 11:30 AM

Check with dealer or tech manual to be sure but I've been told, and my research supports this, that there is no drain plug for the transmission. The FJC comes with a "lifetime fluid" and is not designed to be changed. in order to replace the fluid it must be done with one of those high speed low drag machines that hook up via the lines and replaces a portion (I've heard approximately one third) of the fluid at temp and presure. As for the T-case...no splash, no idea over.

FJ LE · 09-07-08, 03:29 PM

Knoll is right. Curious... Why would you want to change the transimission oil?

DEWFPO · 09-07-08, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by joebob2586

Alright Stupid question, im going to do an oil change in a couple days, i have already changed fluid in my front and rear diffs, but i want to do my transmission and xfer case, do they share the same drain port or do they have seperate ones, and where do they fill from. Thanks for the help...

AT or MT?

They are separate plugs in either case.

The AT has a special filling procedure and requires special ATF.

DEWFPO

raydouble · 09-07-08, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by knoll0351

Check with dealer or tech manual to be sure but I've been told, and my research supports this, that there is no drain plug for the transmission.

mmmmmmmmmm...............shitty picture but that is definitely a drain and fill plug

Edit: looks like it might be under the pan, but is still a drain plug.

knoll0351 · 09-07-08, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by raydouble

mmmmmmmmmm...............****ty picture but that is definitely a drain and fill plug

Edit: looks like it might be under the pan, but is still a drain plug.

Wow, now I'd recomend calling the dealer or other authorized service center prior to trying to use that "plug"...

raydouble · 09-07-08, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by knoll0351

Wow, now I'd recomend calling the dealer or other authorized service center prior to trying to use that "plug"...

Just saying

So what's the low down? You can't use it to drain fluid?

Is this false advertising?

knoll0351 · 09-07-08, 06:08 PM

From what my local dealer said it is a "lifetime fluid" so shouldn't need changing. That being said they also told me that they can "service it" which is what they do now adays with these new fangled trany's (not the dress up kind but the mechanical kind). Just a fancy way of saying changing the fluid, well at least about thirty percent of it, that way they can charge a fortune to hook it up to a special machine and charge us a fortune. The kicker is that there isn't a dip stick any more so there is no way to check the fluid level or fill it...and it needs to be filled at tempurature to avoid blowing out any gaskets or causing other damage...

DEWFPO · 09-07-08, 06:13 PM

It's not a lifetime fluid, it's got a 100K change recommendation from Toyota, 50K would be more prudent if you go off roading or tow.

Pulling the plug will drain some of the fluid out but not all. Most all who have it changed have the dealer change it.

DEWFPO

raydouble · 09-07-08, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by knoll0351

From what my local dealer said it is a "lifetime fluid" so shouldn't need changing. That being said they also told me that they can "service it" which is what they do now adays with these new fangled trany's (not the dress up kind but the mechanical kind). Just a fancy way of saying changing the fluid, well at least about thirty percent of it, that way they can charge a fortune to hook it up to a special machine and charge us a fortune. The kicker is that there isn't a dip stick any more so there is no way to check the fluid level or fill it...and it needs to be filled at tempurature to avoid blowing out any gaskets or causing other damage...

"Lifetime fluid" my ass, kinda like the parts jackass at the dealership that told me the fuel filter never needs replacing on a 22RE

Anyone have the FSM? The ad makes it sound like you can drain and fill to the plug level, wait, that's exactly what it says, anyone have the FSM and what it says?

knoll0351 · 09-07-08, 06:24 PM

Look man I don't work for Toyota, nor do I claim to be a service tech. I just know what they have passed to me and am trying to answer a question to the best of my knowledge. I have warenty thru 100,000 miles and if anything i've been told by my dealer results in failure I'll be damn sure to get it fixed without cost to me. If the FSM says different great but if my service writer told me otherwise I'm going with his word since it's his buck not mine.

raydouble · 09-07-08, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by knoll0351

Look man I don't work for Toyota, nor do I claim to be a service tech. I just know what they have passed to me and am trying to answer a question to the best of my knowledge. I have warenty thru 100,000 miles and if anything i've been told by my dealer results in failure I'll be damn sure to get it fixed without cost to me. If the FSM says different great but if my service writer told me otherwise I'm going with his word since it's his buck not mine.

Whoa whoa, I wasn't attacking you or anything, I'm saying someone has got to have the book, therefore the answer Toyota wants to give "techs"

raydouble · 09-07-08, 06:48 PM

Here it is
A750E Pages 148-150
http://www.ncttora.com/fsm/FJ/RM/RM0...0Transaxle.pdf

A750F Pages 157-159
http://www.ncttora.com/fsm/FJ/RM/RM0...0Transaxle.pdf

Save some money everyone

raydouble · 09-07-08, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by joebob2586

Alright Stupid question, im going to do an oil change in a couple days, i have already changed fluid in my front and rear diffs, but i want to do my transmission and xfer case, do they share the same drain port or do they have seperate ones, and where do they fill from. Thanks for the help...

Here is the FJC FSM link should be able to find all the info you need.

2007 Toyota FJ FSM and Wiring Diagram

knoll0351 · 09-07-08, 09:21 PM

I think that's all just electrical, but if anyone does have the whole FSM that would be sweet!!!!!! I'd even pay for that, just not the five bills the dealer wants.

joebob2586 · 09-07-08, 09:27 PM

thanks for the info ill look into it at our local toyota performance shop, I just thought it would be a quick job like the diffs were.

raydouble · 09-07-08, 09:30 PM

It's the full FSM + electrical
list of contents:
A750E Automatic Transaxle A750F Automatic Transaxle
Air Conditioning
Audio Visual
Axle
Brake Control
Brake
CAN Communication
Charging
Clutch
Cooling
Cruise Control
Differential
Door Lock
Drive Shaft
Emission Control
Engine Control
Engine Hood Door
Engine Mechanical
Exhaust
Exterior
Fuel
Horn
Ignition
Instrument Panel
Intake
Interior
Introduction
Lighting
Lubrication
Maintenance
Meter
Mirror
Multiplex Communication
Park Assist
Parking Brake
Power Steering
Preparation
Propeller Shaft
Power Steering
RA61 Manual Transaxle
Seat Belt
Seat
Service Specifications

mbisson · 09-08-08, 12:55 PM

ray,

Thank you very much for the link. I have it saved already.

spaldam · 09-15-08, 04:16 PM

I think you are all talking about the Auto.... What about the Manual? Isn't that a whole other story?

The manual I thought was supposed to be flushed every 30K for heavy use (like off-roading) or at least that's what I got from reading the service records booklet.

joebob2586 · 09-15-08, 06:36 PM

I did forget to mention I have a MT does this change anything?

knoll0351 · 09-15-08, 06:42 PM

Yup that kinda changes everything...

raydouble · 09-15-08, 06:46 PM

Makes it a lot easier to change oil

joebob2586 · 09-15-08, 07:12 PM

ok so since it makes it a lot easier where is the drain plug and the fill spot, and does it fill and drain the xfer case as well or is it seperate?

raydouble · 09-15-08, 07:57 PM

http://www.ncttora.com/fsm/FJ/RM/RM0...0Transaxle.pdf

Page 16 the two plugs with gaskets looks like drivers side.

The Transfer will have it's own drain and fill plug I'm sure, didn't find a picture. It should be easy once you get under there, it's no more complicated then the diffs.

joebob2586 · 09-15-08, 11:24 PM

thanks for the info

raydouble · 09-15-08, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by joebob2586

thanks for the info

No problem, check the owners manual for the fluid type and amount I don't know off hand.

Cruzrman · 11-05-08, 04:30 PM

To drain your tranny all the way, it would take a machine (dealer). But you can drain most of it. I've done it once with the pages from the repair manual in front of me.
There is a typical drain plug (bolt)on the driver's side of the pan, and the other is a flat hex key design. This is the overflow.
Drain the tranny. I let mine drain overnight. Replace the plug and fill with fluid.The filler hole bolt is a 19mm on the passenger side about half way up. Start the vehicle and cycle through the gears slowly ( about 10 sec, each), then with vehicle running, remove the overflow plug. Fluid should just trickle out. If it doesn't, replace the overflow. Stop vehicle and add about 2 cups of fluid. Repeat as above until it trickles out. Check level after 500 miles.

Fun huh?