Crazy wheel attachment for mud/snow???

Spddude · 05-13-08, 02:45 PM

OK thought I'd ask to see if anybody has ever seen theses things, because I've never seen any thing like them, and am now curious. The picture is off a Japanese off road parts site. The description was a bit lost in translation, but it said they are from the British military, for mud and snow. I tried looking up more info but couldn't find any thing on them.

BC40 · 05-13-08, 04:43 PM

I'm not that well versed in the British military gear, but I doubt anything of theirs is made blaze orange

. Interesting idea to increase flotation on a lightweight truck though.

Spddude · 05-13-08, 05:02 PM

Yeah, I don't think they would make something that bright colored either. But maybe its a copy of a military version.

Bogo · 05-13-08, 06:29 PM

I haven't seen that style before, but I've seen attachments like that on wheels for mud and snow use. I have no clue if they really work or not, but that design does look like it has some potential to work.

roscoFJ73 · 05-14-08, 04:43 PM

The attachments look as if they would hinder tyres abilty to change shape over rough terrain.
They would be cumbersome in tight areas.

What is that vehicle.? Suzuki, or one of those Filipino Deltas

Spddude · 05-14-08, 08:21 PM

I would think its a Suzuki, but that's an assumption because its in Japan. By the looks of it though, there is only one big bolt holding it in the center for what looks like it would be for quick attachment, and removal. Maybe there is a hub mount that enables that, or a special rim that is specific to the mounting of the wheel extension.

Belgium BJ · 05-19-08, 02:13 PM

The car is a Daihatsu Taft, 800cc engine.
Great littel offroaders, for the orange stuf , never seen it, have serius doubts for snow or sand, they just d'ont look propely attached to the driveshafts for pulling the car.
Maybe for swamps and floating purposes?

sandcruiser · 05-21-08, 12:11 PM

hmmm... in very deep muck, the would certainly add more traction, and float the weight of the vehicle onto a larger area. But I'd be skeptical until I saw them in action

blue bomber 88 · 05-21-08, 02:40 PM

those are called "bog Clogs". i have seen the in a land rover magazine

Crash_AB · 05-21-08, 03:00 PM

I was wondering what that said - looked like "god cone" to me. Needless to say, got some strange google results for them. Nothing on "Bog Clogs"

IndianDoc · 05-22-08, 10:30 AM

Put them on in the southern US and somebody will have them spinning no doubt!!!

Brian in Oregon · 05-23-08, 12:06 AM

The US Army in the 1930's and early 1940's experimented with putting dual tires on the front axle for better floatation in soft terrain. One of the problems was much greater difficulty in steering on firm surfaces. The solution for this was to put a smaller diameter tire on the outside. On firm pavement it would not touch the surface, but on soft ground the larger tire would sink, and then the smaller tire would make contact. The drawback is that an oddball diameter tire has to be used, which then can't be used as a spare.

During WWII, dualing the front wheels was still done, but not routinely. The GMC 2-1/2 ton CCKW 6x6 truck came in a long wheelbase version (CCKW-353) with one spare. Photos exist of these being used with an A-frame on the front bumper, using the winch. The spare and a rear tire would be used as dualies to prevent the front from sinking into mud while being used as a crane. The short wheelbase model (CCKW-352) was primarily used as an artillery prime mover. The winch was often used for placement of the artillery piece, and this truck had two spares behind the cab for use in dualing the front tires to help keep from sinking in. I have yet to find an actual combat photo of this being done, though it was definitely done during training.

1shot1kill · 05-24-08, 09:18 PM

They are for water crossing!

TwoThirtyDirty · 06-03-08, 11:26 PM

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The vid takes forever to download but kinda cool.

FLFJ40 · 06-04-08, 07:46 PM

Hey There's a FJ-40 in the vid.

Spddude · 06-05-08, 09:57 AM

Nice work TwoThirtyDirty, I don't know how you found that info, I guess using the proper name helps.

I was right about the way they attach though
Still waiting for the video to load...

05-13-08, 02:45 PM	#1
Spddude IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: British Columbia Posts: 21	Crazy wheel attachment for mud/snow??? OK thought I'd ask to see if anybody has ever seen theses things, because I've never seen any thing like them, and am now curious. The picture is off a Japanese off road parts site. The description was a bit lost in translation, but it said they are from the British military, for mud and snow. I tried looking up more info but couldn't find any thing on them. Attached Images

05-13-08, 04:43 PM	#2
BC40 IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chilliwack, BC Posts: 180	I'm not that well versed in the British military gear, but I doubt anything of theirs is made blaze orange . Interesting idea to increase flotation on a lightweight truck though. __________________ Martin S '66 FJ40, '71 FJ40, '74 FJ40, '84 BJ60....

05-13-08, 06:29 PM	#4
Bogo IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Village Posts: 160	I haven't seen that style before, but I've seen attachments like that on wheels for mud and snow use. I have no clue if they really work or not, but that design does look like it has some potential to work. __________________ Chaos. it's a fact of life.

05-14-08, 04:43 PM	#5
roscoFJ73 Diesel for blood Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: west australia Posts: 5,820	The attachments look as if they would hinder tyres abilty to change shape over rough terrain. They would be cumbersome in tight areas. What is that vehicle.? Suzuki, or one of those Filipino Deltas __________________ HZJ75 cab chassis 95 model ,stocker FJ73+1HZ Diesel NEW GEARBOX 1HZ =same power as 3F with 30% better fuel economy 2in Dobinsons lift.Powerdown adj shocks 33 in BFG A/T HJ61 with slidin windas regrettfully SOLD:( Volvo 740 GL

05-19-08, 02:13 PM	#7
Belgium BJ IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29	The car is a Daihatsu Taft, 800cc engine. Great littel offroaders, for the orange stuf , never seen it, have serius doubts for snow or sand, they just d'ont look propely attached to the driveshafts for pulling the car. Maybe for swamps and floating purposes? __________________ Toyota BJ 42 1982 Lada Niva 1997 Isuzu Rodeo 2004

05-13-08, 05:02 PM	#3
Spddude IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: British Columbia Posts: 21	Yeah, I don't think they would make something that bright colored either. But maybe its a copy of a military version.

05-14-08, 08:21 PM	#6
Spddude IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: British Columbia Posts: 21	I would think its a Suzuki, but that's an assumption because its in Japan. By the looks of it though, there is only one big bolt holding it in the center for what looks like it would be for quick attachment, and removal. Maybe there is a hub mount that enables that, or a special rim that is specific to the mounting of the wheel extension.

05-21-08, 12:11 PM	#8
sandcruiser IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tamarindo, Costa Rica Posts: 1,717	hmmm... in very deep muck, the would certainly add more traction, and float the weight of the vehicle onto a larger area. But I'd be skeptical until I saw them in action __________________ 91 fj80 w/ 93 1HD-T. OME 850/860 w/ 1" front spacer, LEDs, HIRs, ARB rear locker (in progress), in garage: lightforce lights, full rack, superwinch X9, maggiolina tent, hella horns. WTB: Tan DS mirror & housing '88 HJ60, "Louie" For Sale in Costa Rica.

05-21-08, 02:40 PM	#9
blue bomber 88 IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: paso robles ca Posts: 8	wheel adpater those are called "bog Clogs". i have seen the in a land rover magazine __________________ 89 fj sixty two buggy project,350? nv4500 marks ud gears sprung over . 1960 88 land rover, vortec 350 , np 435,....etc

05-21-08, 03:00 PM	#10
Crash_AB IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 48	wa I was wondering what that said - looked like "god cone" to me. Needless to say, got some strange google results for them. Nothing on "Bog Clogs" __________________ BUCK - 1983 Bj60, various shades of blue and rust, 2.5" lift, PTO, 33 MTR's, 260K, Big plans...

05-22-08, 10:30 AM	#11
IndianDoc IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Charleston SC TLCA# 18770 Posts: 283	Put them on in the southern US and somebody will have them spinning no doubt!!!

05-23-08, 12:06 AM	#12
Brian in Oregon IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 966	The US Army in the 1930's and early 1940's experimented with putting dual tires on the front axle for better floatation in soft terrain. One of the problems was much greater difficulty in steering on firm surfaces. The solution for this was to put a smaller diameter tire on the outside. On firm pavement it would not touch the surface, but on soft ground the larger tire would sink, and then the smaller tire would make contact. The drawback is that an oddball diameter tire has to be used, which then can't be used as a spare. During WWII, dualing the front wheels was still done, but not routinely. The GMC 2-1/2 ton CCKW 6x6 truck came in a long wheelbase version (CCKW-353) with one spare. Photos exist of these being used with an A-frame on the front bumper, using the winch. The spare and a rear tire would be used as dualies to prevent the front from sinking into mud while being used as a crane. The short wheelbase model (CCKW-352) was primarily used as an artillery prime mover. The winch was often used for placement of the artillery piece, and this truck had two spares behind the cab for use in dualing the front tires to help keep from sinking in. I have yet to find an actual combat photo of this being done, though it was definitely done during training. __________________ 1971 FJ40 w/ Chevy 350, Mark's of Australia bellhousing kit, 1979 4-spd transmission & transfer case, 12.50x33x15 tires. Rust free, original paint, wheel wells not cut. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." Thomas Jefferson, 1776

05-24-08, 09:18 PM	#13
1shot1kill IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 129	They are for water crossing! __________________ IN VINO VERITAS 93 locked,sleed,Afrika Corps,sand ladders,snorkel,PIAA front/back,Arbed, 9k winch w/syn. od rope, Kaymared, quick release sways, OME, snorkel, dog ramp, Man-A-Fre rack, custom roof net, Lowarnce GPS, 4:88s, custom drivelines by NW Landcruiser, spacers, 38s - WIP!

06-03-08, 11:26 PM	#14
TwoThirtyDirty IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 245	vcd_060051_0.mpg ƒ{ƒbƒOƒRƒbƒO The vid takes forever to download but kinda cool. __________________ "See I started reading in the newspapers about me being 'The Godfather of Punk' and figured well if I'm to be the Godfather then I'm going to be a real Godfather-mafia style. Taking no shit from anyone and screwing anyone who tried to screw me."—Iggy Pop

06-04-08, 07:46 PM	#15
FLFJ40 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 265	Hey There's a FJ-40 in the vid. __________________ Russ '69 FJ40 Currently rebuilding. Rebuilt Original F bored .040 over, H.E.I., Weber 38mm, rebuilt front end, new radiator, header, rebuilt 3 on the tree, rebuilt t-case, new brakes, new clutch, new wheel and master cylinders, new slave and master cylinders, new SOR seat covers.

06-05-08, 09:57 AM	#16
Spddude IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: British Columbia Posts: 21	Nice work TwoThirtyDirty, I don't know how you found that info, I guess using the proper name helps. I was right about the way they attach though Still waiting for the video to load... __________________ '92 HZJ73 Locked, Safari Turbo, 3" stainless exhaust

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