Expensive LC's in Australia - shipping?

[Island Moose]

Hey folks,

I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but I figure I'll be making to move to Australia from Canada sometime early 2007 (18 months left in Engineering degree). I've been surfing the aussie Toyota dealers, and the new LC's are REALLY expensive...something like $55 grand for a troopie.
I did some research with their Ministry of Transport, and they have the same 15 year rule we do here in Canada...basically anything goes after 15.

Given this, it makes me wonder if I were to take my paid - for LC with me, how much would the shipping cost? How long would it take?...Is it a reasonable proposition? The goat is already RHD etc....

[crushers]

the 15 year rule in Aussiland is changing to a 25 year rule as of May 2006...

[light_duty]

That being said, some countries will let you bring your vehicle with out if you are immigrating.

Based on my limited experience, I'd guess you'd be looking at 1500-2000 US$ to ship your truck down there.

Robin

FYI, I've heard a rumor on another forum that Canada may also be looking at a 25 year embargo sometime in the future. Time to start lobbying yer MP!

[Greg_B]

Originally Posted by light_duty

FYI, I've heard a rumor on another forum that Canada may also be looking at a 25 year embargo sometime in the future. Time to start lobbying yer MP!

Rumor...or fact? No use lobbying, raising flags, and causing issues if not required.

gb

[light_duty]

Quite right...don't mean to sound alarmist. It is a rumor and only that.

But, it wouldn't surprise me. I'm sure dealers of both domestic and import vehicles are well aware of the growing number of sweet JDM cars and trucks rolling off the boats each and every week - each one potentially a lost sale. Imported cars may still be a niche market, but it's a niche that's growing all the time! Not only that, but with the domestic auto manufacturing industry in a state of fiscal emergency, such a protectionist move might prove to be a popular (if token) gesture in certain parts of the country (i.e. SW Ontario).

All I'm saying is this is likely the kind of thing we won't hear about until it's a done deal, so there's no harm in letting your reps know that it wouldn't be a popular move with everyone.

Wayne, any idea why Australia made this move?

Robin

P.S. apologies for thread hijack.

[bcon]

I was under the impression that Dotars said as of may this year it was a 15yr unrestricted rule. Meaning that anything older than 1990(89 and older) could go in unrestricted so long as you apply for the import approval. Just like before you need to pay your 50bucks and submit all the vin info and whatnot then a few weeks later youre approved so long as it is old enough. Up until May this year you could import virtually anything you wanted, but now if it is newer than 15yrs you need to comply with RHD and safety specs but I assume JDM stuff meets that already. Either way I am fairly sure you can import your particular JDM to australia. They do plan on extending this to a 30 yr rule but there is no timeline yet so for now it is 1990.

They supposedly installed this rule to keep emissions and safety standards in check. I say supposedly because if you look at the DOTAR fine print it says "This exemption exists as these vehicles generally perform low mileages and are limited in numbers, and therefore represent a minimal risk to overall Australian vehicle and safety goals." So here they dont seem to care what is imported because the impact will be small. Then they make a 15-30yr rule so as to weed out nonconforming cars.

It seems hypocritical as they want standards but at the same time they allow inferior designed vehicles in. You have to understand that most people dont import LC's into Aus since they already get virtually every model there is. (Yes i know they import the loaded 60s from NZ) I mention this because my experience has most of the importing being Japanese sports cars and the like. They import vehicles like Skylines, Soarers and whatnot. Even Surfs. One argument they have is emissions yet the very vehicles they want to stop are Japanese. The japanese emission standards from the 80s are better than current Australian standards. They want stronger emissions standards yet they want to ban the clean cars and they to this day still dont Smog test vehicles....

[Island Moose]

Originally Posted by crushers

the 15 year rule in Aussiland is changing to a 25 year rule as of May 2006...

My luck....

[crushers]

the gentleman i talked to in Ottawa who runs this side of the importation stated there is nothing in the works to change the importation rulings (remember the 1990 hard cut off rumour??). they are just as happy to take our GST and duty money as a big dealerships money...

as for the Aussis ruling i am not sure but i heard this is why they are trying to Grandfather as many units as they can before May next year... thus the prices at the auctions are completely nuts right now. it will be years before the prices start coming back down to reasonable levels again...
cheers

[bigbrowndog]

Originally Posted by Island Moose

Hey folks,

I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but I figure I'll be making to move to Australia from Canada sometime early 2007 (18 months left in Engineering degree). I've been surfing the aussie Toyota dealers, and the new LC's are REALLY expensive...something like $55 grand for a troopie.
I did some research with their Ministry of Transport, and they have the same 15 year rule we do here in Canada...basically anything goes after 15.

Given this, it makes me wonder if I were to take my paid - for LC with me, how much would the shipping cost? How long would it take?...Is it a reasonable proposition? The goat is already RHD etc....

In May 2004 DAS auto shippers and Schumacher cargo both quoted US$1,150.00 to ship a mustang/comaro sized car from east coast USA to Sydney or Brisbane Australia.Most of the changes are brought about by organisations like the M.T.A. simply to protect their sales against grey imports.Most do not want to be involved with hi tec cars anyway but they seem to be down on the small companies and individuals who are prepared to do it.

[bcon]

I thought that you had to have financially committed to a purchase before Feb05 when the 15yr was announced and that was the grandfathered in rush. As far as prices when comparing them to a mustang, understand that they can get 6cars in a 40footer and you can only get 2 MWB LCs... Just a thought

[bigbrowndog]

Schumacher was containerised I believe DAS was not. Also with the JDM vehicles they can be sent on the car carriers drive on drive off.
http://www.japan-partner.com/car-shipping-cost.php

[crushers]

Originally Posted by bcon

I thought that you had to have financially committed to a purchase before Feb05 when the 15yr was announced and that was the grandfathered in rush. As far as prices when comparing them to a mustang, understand that they can get 6cars in a 40footer and you can only get 2 MWB LCs... Just a thought

definately a possiblity...

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by Island Moose

Hey folks,

I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but I figure I'll be making to move to Australia from Canada sometime early 2007 (18 months left in Engineering degree). I've been surfing the aussie Toyota dealers, and the new LC's are REALLY expensive...something like $55 grand for a troopie.
I did some research with their Ministry of Transport, and they have the same 15 year rule we do here in Canada...basically anything goes after 15.

Given this, it makes me wonder if I were to take my paid - for LC with me, how much would the shipping cost? How long would it take?...Is it a reasonable proposition? The goat is already RHD etc....

Dont bring your BJ,wait till you get here and buy a looked after privately owned 75/78/79 or $15-25K.Your BJ will cost almost as much to freight as it is worth in oz..You will also need a LWB if you want to travel our long remote roads
Buying a used vehicle here will save you money for all the accessories and parts which are more plentiful and cheaper .
The key words here are choice and availabilty
There was a nice 2001 dual cab 105 with low klms last month that went for about $30k
Then log onto MUD and drive all the canucks and yanks crazy with jealousy with stories and pics of cheap cruisers

[crushers]

you are down right NASTY...
<i know i would do it as i am sure Mike will when he is down there>
cheers

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by crushers

you are down right NASTY...

\
Thankyou

Ive estimated from counting landcruiser ads in West oz there are 500 cruisers for sale at any time.
As we have %10 of the auzzie population you could say we have %10 of the cruisers .Extrapolate that and there could be 5000 cruisers for sale at any time in oz

[beanz2]

Sending coal to Newcastle...

Dave

[Ocelot]

So if you move back to Canada from Aus, would you get to keep any vehicle you had there? An Air Force Colonel I work with brought back a sweet euro spec BMW from germany when he came home to Canada after an overseas posting.

[bigbrowndog]

Originally Posted by bcon

I thought that you had to have financially committed to a purchase before Feb05 when the 15yr was announced and that was the grandfathered in rush. As far as prices when comparing them to a mustang, understand that they can get 6cars in a 40footer and you can only get 2 MWB LCs... Just a thought

LOL Cars??? or cab over prams ?? [Oz baby pram= baby carriage.]
http://www.dotars.gov.au/transreg/str_imp-cert.aspx
Meter) = Width x Length x Height of the vehicle.
Manufacturer
Car Model
M3

Nissan
March
8.5

Toyota
Starlet
8.5

Toyota
MR2
9.0

Mazda
RX-7
10.0

Nissan
Sunny
10.0

Toyota
Corolla
10.0

Toyota
Sprinter
10.0

Toyota
Celica
10.0

Toyota
Corolla
10.0

Toyota
Corona
10.0

Honda
Civic
10.0

Toyota
Corolla Van
10.5

Toyota
Platz
10.5

Toyota
Supra
10.5

Honda
Prelude
10.5

Mazda
Familia
10.5

Toyota
Corolla Wagon
10.5

Nissan
Primera
10.5

Honda
Integra
10.5

Mitsubishi
Lancer
11.0

Toyota
Alteza
11.0

Honda
Civic Ferio
11.0

Toyota
Corona
11.0

Toyota
Vista
11.0

Nissan
Bluebird
11.0

Mitsubishi
GTO
11.0

Subaru
Legacy
11.0

Subaru
Impreza
11.0

Toyota
Camry
11.0

Mazda
Capella
11.0

Mitsubishi
Galant
11.5

Toyota
Corolla Spacio
11.5

Toyota
Caldina
11.5

Toyota
Mark II
11.5

Honda
Accord
12.0

Toyota
Soarer
12.0

Subaru
Legacy Wagon
12.0

Nissan
Skyline
12.0

Toyota
RAV4
12.0

Nissan
Cefiro
12.5

Mitsubishi
Diamante
12.5

Toyota
Crown
12.5

Honda
Inspire
12.5

Honda
Accord Wagon
12.5

Nissan
Cedric
12.5

Mitsubishi
RVR
12.5

Toyota
Windom
13.8

Honda
Legend
13.0

Honda
Odissey
14.5

Nissan
Terrano
14.5

Toyota
Lite Ace Wagon
14.5

Toyota
Town Ace Van
14.5

Toyota
Century
14.5

Toyota
Town Ace Wagon
14.5

Mazda
MPV
15.5

Toyota
Estima
15.5

Toyota
Hi Ace Wagon
15.5

Toyota
Hi Ace Van
15.5

Toyota
Hilux Surf
15.5

Mitsubishi
Delica Wagon
16.0

Nissan
Serena
16.5

Mitsubishi
Pajero
16.5

Toyota
Land Cruiser
17.5

Nissan
Safari
18.5



Japanese ...17.5x $59.00 =$1,032.50.....

[lshobie]

HI Wayne,

I read this: http://www.dotars.gov.au/dept/media/2005/d3_2005.aspx

It doesnt say anything about shutting down the importing of vehicles in may 2006. It does say that any vehicle basically paid for before that date would be allowed into AUS until dec without any problems. I believe that after that date the vehicles only have to meet a set of specific criteria.

Did I read something wrong, or is there a different document out there that states otherwise.

Regards

[roscoFJ73]

It definately means no cruisers unless they are 89 or older.
However we can import as many Winnebagos,Peterbuilt trucks and New York Fire engines as we want because they were not sold in large volumeshere

And it will save F^%$^ lives ,what F%^% b&%^$^^13 May 2005


"Tighter vehicle importation laws to reinforce motor vehicle safety and emission standards for older imported vehicles came into force on 13 May 2005.

These new laws close a loophole that has enabled mainstream cars more than 15 years of age to be imported in commercial quantities, and not subjected to safety and emission certification.

Importers of these cars were using an exemption that allows hobbyists and enthusiasts to import classic and historic cars. This exemption exists because these vehicles generally perform low mileages, are limited in numbers, and therefore represent a minimal risk to Australia's overall vehicle and safety goals.

Without such an exemption, the private importation of these types of older, collectible cars would be uneconomic.

The closure of this loophole applies only to those vehicles that don't fit into the classic and historic category and will continue to serve the interests of hobbyists and enthusiasts wanting to import genuine collectable and historic vehicles.

At the same time, importers of older used cars in commercial quantities are now required to certify their vehicles against safety and emission standards applicable under the Registered Automotive Workshop Scheme (RAWS).

Under transitional arrangements, importers who had made a financial commitment before the minister's announcement of the changes on 7 February 2005 to import vehicles manufactured in 1989 or 1990, will be allowed to import these vehicles under the old rule until 31 December 2005.

Under the new laws:

vehicles manufactured before 1 January 1989 may be imported without restriction;
vehicles built during 1989 (or later) that meet the specialist and enthusiast vehicle criteria will need to qualify under RAWS as meeting the Australian Design Rules that applied at the date of manufacture
These new rules re-instate a level playing field within the industry. Vehicles supplied to the same market are subject to the same regulatory environment, substantially reducing cost pressures on mainstream businesses.

Enquiries
Esther McLaughlan
Department of Transport and Regional Services
Phone: 02 6274 7376
Email: Esther.McLauchlan@dotars.gov.au

Background

The current Australian Government certification system for motor vehicles was established in 1989, and was further refined following a joint industry government review in 1999.

Vehicles that are not supplied new to the Australian market must meet all applicable Australian Design Rules, which are minimum standards covering areas such as lighting, braking, occupant protection and emissions. Certain vehicle models that are not supplied to the Australian market by mainstream manufacturers may be imported under the Specialist and Enthusiast Vehicles Scheme and, in the case of used vehicles, may be modified by a Registered Automotive Workshop to meet a minimum standard of compliance with the Australian Design Rules.

Vehicle standards are generally recognised as contributing towards safer roads and cleaner air. Safety standards comprise part of Australia's National Road Safety Strategy 2001-2010. The target of this strategy is to save 3,600 lives by 2010 and to permanently reduce annual road deaths by 700."

[crushers]

Originally Posted by lshobie

HI Wayne,

I read this: http://www.dotars.gov.au/dept/media/2005/d3_2005.aspx

It doesnt say anything about shutting down the importing of vehicles in may 2006. It does say that any vehicle basically paid for before that date would be allowed into AUS until dec without any problems. I believe that after that date the vehicles only have to meet a set of specific criteria.

Did I read something wrong, or is there a different document out there that states otherwise.

Regards

that is what i heard...
thaks for the link Louis...

[lshobie]

I just spoke with a Japanese exporter. He said that some vehicles will meet the RAWS or whatever it is, but it is a certification that is model specific and each importer has to apply for raws for each vehicle, which makes it a pain in the ass and very expensive. I think that is simplified, but the bottom line will be that importers probably won't want the hassle - and it might be cost prohibitive.

louis

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by lshobie

I just spoke with a Japanese exporter. He said that some vehicles will meet the RAWS or whatever it is, but it is a certification that is model specific and each importer has to apply for raws for each vehicle, which makes it a pain in the ass and very expensive. I think that is simplified, but the bottom line will be that importers probably won't want the hassle - and it might be cost prohibitive.

louis

RAWS= registered automotive work shop. I saw one today.

[bcon]

And just curious, but is your shipping quote per m3 from Japan to AU, or Canada to AU?

[bigbrowndog]

Originally Posted by bcon

And just curious, but is your shipping quote per m3 from Japan to AU, or Canada to AU?

I take it you were refering to my post, cheers I was quoting to Oz. I believe Canada is as follows from first link posted.
New Westminster Canada US$ 85 per M3. There are many companies that ship to the west coast of North America, that is one I had listed when I was looking for a later model motor.I believe drive on drive off is cheaper.

[crustyBJ60]

moose,

i just called a shipper today to get a price for shipping a truck from sydney oz to vancouver canada. (the opposite direction, but wtf, should be the same).

the family has used this company before, to send junk to oz, and the prices have gone up, but they are good.

for a lwb landcruiser $4400 aud, and $640 aud to clear through customs.

this was for a container, the guy told me "it's cheaper than ro/ro".

plus tax, duty etc... but, plus side for me, sydney is where i'll be, and vancouver is close enough, and it's a container. can you say spare parts?

if you want some more info, email or give me a call at home.

hth's
crusty

oh ya, 40 days at sea, plus a week on each side for packing, customs etc.... looks like about 2 months give or take.