3B into a FJ45 question

mallred · 09-19-05, 09:05 AM

I ran across a 83 bj60 that has serious body cancer and a great running 3B.

Will this bolt up to the 1978 trans that I have in my 63 SWB ?

Or should I consider going with the split case from the BJ60 and do the motor mounts on the 3B use the same frame mounts as the f series ? My one concern is chopping up the powercoated frame.

Thanks Myrle

canadian bum · 09-19-05, 01:16 PM

It should I think bolt right up to your tranny in your 78

1FE pig · 09-19-05, 01:30 PM

Imput shaft on the 3B is not the same as a 2F.

dieselcruiserhead · 09-19-05, 01:56 PM

Take the whole drivetrain of the truck with 3B. The input shaft is a bitch to swap out, I would not recommend it (or don't even know if you can find the right parts).

Grease Cruiser · 09-19-05, 03:57 PM

I agree. You should take the entire drivetrain. Does the BJ60 have the 4 or 5 speed? I am assuming it has the 4 speed since you are wondering if you can bolt the 3B to your existing 4 speed.
If it has the 4 speed, yes you will have to fabricate new motor mounts.
If it has the 5 speed, I have heard that it is possible to use the existing motor mounts. Not sure though, I have heard differing opinions on this.
Good luck, I am quite jealous. you are doing exactly what I want to do. I already have the rusted out BJ60, now I just need to find a non-running FJ45 pickup.

Radd Cruisers · 09-19-05, 04:54 PM

Get the whole truck, 83 came with H55.

New motor mounts, use the existing BJ60 cross memeber remount it to the 45 frame with some shortening and bracket fab.

If memory serves me I think we could not reuse the BJ60 motor mounts as they were not tall enough.

Shorten rear drive shaft, lengthen front which is kinda spendy since its metric tubing.

As with any motor install, I have learned to test fit the fan and shroude prior to welding in the mounts permanently, TACK WELD.........

Radd Cruisers · 09-19-05, 04:59 PM

Ya, found myself a real gem with top compression and oil pressure with H55 in a 84 BJ60, real inexpensive.

Debating the FJ45 or FJ55, going to be for my son, cause we all know speed kills and BJs without turbos under a big heavey truck do not go all that fast.

For all those out thier looking for a BJ60 with power train, there is one in the island buy sell for 2500.00 OBO, I think 1983 with rusted frame.

Good luck, I am quite jealous. you are doing exactly what I want to do. I already have the rusted out BJ60, now I just need to find a non-running FJ45 pickup.[/quote]

cruiser_guy · 09-19-05, 06:24 PM

The 3B will not bolt to the '78 tranny from an F or 2F but it can be made to do so by swapping the tranny input shafts and using the 3B bellhousing. I did this on the FJ55 in order to preserve the e-brake without going to the expensive SOR split case e-brake setup or a rear axle e-brake. You MUST use a form of mount under the tranny or at the end of the transfer case ala Advance Adaptors. The H42 and H55 both mount the SAME WAY. Personally I prefer the under the tranny mount as it seems more secure than the AA mount. You can cut down the BJ60 mount sufficiently to make it fit the narrower FJ55 frame and I assume the FJ45 frame as well.

mallred · 09-19-05, 09:50 PM

Thanks for all the info on this, Sounds like going with the split case will work the best. It is a 83 so it should have the 5spd. I was so impressed with how it ran after hearing a couple of POS that I did not even check out the trans. I am sure that I could search this out but I am assuming that the 60s rear axel is the same width as the 45 and I could swap out the 78 rear axel I have under the truck , but then I would have to choose which of the two gearing I want assuming that the 60 has 3.73 gears. I am sure after hearing about using the 60s crossmembers that I will not have to chop up this powered coated frame much.

I am glad I put off the sheet metal work until the fall otherwise I would not be entertaining this thought. Putting this together on a rolling chassis should be fun and not to difficult.

63fj45 swb deisel or would that be a 63bj45 swb clone.

canadian bum · 09-19-05, 09:54 PM

Is the diesel 24 volt?

Grease Cruiser · 09-19-05, 11:29 PM

"I am sure that I could search this out but I am assuming that the 60s rear axel is the same width as the 45 and I could swap out the 78 rear axel I have under the truck , but then I would have to choose which of the two gearing I want assuming that the 60 has 3.73 gears. I am sure after hearing about using the 60s crossmembers that I will not have to chop up this powered coated frame much."

Wrong!
The 60's axle is 4" wider than your 45 rear axle. It might look kind of goofy unless you did the front as well. Not sure if you have front disc brakes or not but might be a good time to upgrade. If you do alreadyhave them, tear down the front 60 axle and get a few bucks back by selling the parts as a conversion kit.

Good Luck.

Radd Cruisers · 09-20-05, 01:19 AM

Surprised nobody answered your question about the axle, yours is a full floater and in no means do I think its better but it does have its advantages although as mention the 60 series gear is wider.

The engine tranny transfercase will make a fantastic addition too your rig, you are upgrading to IMO better gear.

Next issue is parking brake, do a search and you will find many a fix, I was told a late model cable from a 3 speed is longer and will work by Cruiser Brett?

Speedo cable will also need lengthening.

mallred · 09-20-05, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadian bum

Is the diesel 24 volt?

Yes it is 24 vlt and if need I will split the electrical pulling 12 vlts were needed, I am thinking that engine \ soliniods and starter are only things needing 24 vlt so they could be isolated from the rest of the 45s electrical original partsl one or two soliniods would do this.

skinny · 09-20-05, 04:46 PM

Are you sure it is 24 volt??? I thought the BJ-60's were 12 volt (until 85 or something like that) and the HJ-60's were 24 volt???

It will still have 2 batteries but they will be in parrallel not series ... so 12 volts. That is how my 84 BJ-60.

I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.

Todd

Grease Cruiser · 09-20-05, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinny

Are you sure it is 24 volt??? I thought the BJ-60's were 12 volt (until 85 or something like that) and the HJ-60's were 24 volt???

It will still have 2 batteries but they will be in parrallel not series ... so 12 volts. That is how my 84 BJ-60.

I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.

Todd

Both of my Canadian BJ60's were 12 volt. You are correct that it has 2 batteries and that they run in parallel not series. I have an 82 and had until a few days ago an 85. Both were 12 volt.

mallred · 09-20-05, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grease Cruiser

Both of my Canadian BJ60's were 12 volt. You are correct that it has 2 batteries and that they run in parallel not series. I have an 82 and had until a few days ago an 85. Both were 12 volt.

I guess I was guessing, there was a 81 bj42 I looked at that was 24 vlt for sure and I was assuming the 60s were also. Either way I can make it work.

I stopped by today to check on my fuel cell I am having reconditioned and started wondering if the 3B has a return on it from the pump. the 63 tank for sure will not.

cruiser_guy · 09-20-05, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mallred

I guess I was guessing, there was a 81 bj42 I looked at that was 24 vlt for sure and I was assuming the 60s were also. Either way I can make it work.

I stopped by today to check on my fuel cell I am having reconditioned and started wondering if the 3B has a return on it from the pump. the 63 tank for sure will not.

BJ42's are 24v BJ60's are not. The 3B does NOT have a fuel return to the tank.

09-19-05, 09:05 AM	#1
mallred IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 613	3B into a FJ45 question I ran across a 83 bj60 that has serious body cancer and a great running 3B. Will this bolt up to the 1978 trans that I have in my 63 SWB ? Or should I consider going with the split case from the BJ60 and do the motor mounts on the 3B use the same frame mounts as the f series ? My one concern is chopping up the powercoated frame. Thanks Myrle __________________ 81 BJ42 3b full cage, rear locker, rocky mountan Parobolic springs , 4 " lift., 63 Fj45 swb. started rebuild w\ 78 Fj55 running gear (Stalled) 65FJ45 lpb needs work. 2 65 FJ40s parts rigs Polson MT

09-19-05, 01:16 PM	#2
canadian bum IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Red Deer, Alberta Posts: 221	It should I think bolt right up to your tranny in your 78 __________________ 78 FJ45 Now going to be 1HD-T / Build up thread 79 BJ40 Going to be a turbo 3B /Starting to become many pieces 06 Taco Double Daily driver, 3 inch lift, pro comp rims and 285/75R16 BFG A/T 76 Ford Courier Bagging Unit /Rolled once,record jump 39 feet,record speed 90 mph,no brakes

09-19-05, 01:30 PM	#3
1FE pig IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Helena MT TLCA# 15226 Posts: 220	Imput shaft on the 3B is not the same as a 2F. __________________ Big man Pig man Ha ha charade you are

09-19-05, 01:56 PM	#4
dieselcruiserhead IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Park City & Heber City, Utah TLCA# 9439 Posts: 2,266	Take the whole drivetrain of the truck with 3B. The input shaft is a bitch to swap out, I would not recommend it (or don't even know if you can find the right parts). __________________ - Cummins 4BTswaps.com Forums - Diesel Conversion Website TLCA# 9439 Since 1999, Wasatch Cruisers '89 Toyota Pickup V6, OME, 32's '69 FJ55 Project on locked FZJ80 Frame, Cummins 4BT, NV5600, Dana 300

09-19-05, 04:54 PM	#6
Radd Cruisers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 3,831	Get the whole truck, 83 came with H55. New motor mounts, use the existing BJ60 cross memeber remount it to the 45 frame with some shortening and bracket fab. If memory serves me I think we could not reuse the BJ60 motor mounts as they were not tall enough. Shorten rear drive shaft, lengthen front which is kinda spendy since its metric tubing. As with any motor install, I have learned to test fit the fan and shroude prior to welding in the mounts permanently, TACK WELD......... __________________ Come and visit us in Duncan, BC www.raddcruisers.ca --> 60 Series Cable Lockers available - 4.11s or 3.70s - handles and cables included --> 12HT & H55F combos available - complete & running --> in stock and ready to go.

09-19-05, 03:57 PM	#5
Grease Cruiser IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 TLCA# 8779 Posts: 600	I agree. You should take the entire drivetrain. Does the BJ60 have the 4 or 5 speed? I am assuming it has the 4 speed since you are wondering if you can bolt the 3B to your existing 4 speed. If it has the 4 speed, yes you will have to fabricate new motor mounts. If it has the 5 speed, I have heard that it is possible to use the existing motor mounts. Not sure though, I have heard differing opinions on this. Good luck, I am quite jealous. you are doing exactly what I want to do. I already have the rusted out BJ60, now I just need to find a non-running FJ45 pickup.

09-19-05, 04:59 PM	#7
Radd Cruisers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 3,831	Ya, found myself a real gem with top compression and oil pressure with H55 in a 84 BJ60, real inexpensive. Debating the FJ45 or FJ55, going to be for my son, cause we all know speed kills and BJs without turbos under a big heavey truck do not go all that fast. For all those out thier looking for a BJ60 with power train, there is one in the island buy sell for 2500.00 OBO, I think 1983 with rusted frame. Good luck, I am quite jealous. you are doing exactly what I want to do. I already have the rusted out BJ60, now I just need to find a non-running FJ45 pickup.[/quote] __________________ Come and visit us in Duncan, BC www.raddcruisers.ca --> 60 Series Cable Lockers available - 4.11s or 3.70s - handles and cables included --> 12HT & H55F combos available - complete & running --> in stock and ready to go.

09-19-05, 06:24 PM	#8
cruiser_guy IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mixco, Guatemala/Cranbrook & Vancouver, B.C., Canada TLCA# 16387 Posts: 7,362	The 3B will not bolt to the '78 tranny from an F or 2F but it can be made to do so by swapping the tranny input shafts and using the 3B bellhousing. I did this on the FJ55 in order to preserve the e-brake without going to the expensive SOR split case e-brake setup or a rear axle e-brake. You MUST use a form of mount under the tranny or at the end of the transfer case ala Advance Adaptors. The H42 and H55 both mount the SAME WAY. Personally I prefer the under the tranny mount as it seems more secure than the AA mount. You can cut down the BJ60 mount sufficiently to make it fit the narrower FJ55 frame and I assume the FJ45 frame as well. __________________ '82 BJ60 H55 tranny, AXT turbo 3B diesel, high nickel alloy head, A/C, BDS lift, factory PTO, Aussie rear locker, OEM LSD front, 4:11's, 32's, PERFECT frame! '76 FJ55, 3B turbo, alloy head, H41 tranny, 3 sp. transfer, 33's, A/C, PTO winch, long range tank! '67 FJ45LV shop project c/w 3B turbo diesel transplant & H41 4 speed, 3 speed transfer, PTO! www.wirrell.com

09-19-05, 09:50 PM	#9
mallred IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 613	Thanks for all the info on this, Sounds like going with the split case will work the best. It is a 83 so it should have the 5spd. I was so impressed with how it ran after hearing a couple of POS that I did not even check out the trans. I am sure that I could search this out but I am assuming that the 60s rear axel is the same width as the 45 and I could swap out the 78 rear axel I have under the truck , but then I would have to choose which of the two gearing I want assuming that the 60 has 3.73 gears. I am sure after hearing about using the 60s crossmembers that I will not have to chop up this powered coated frame much. I am glad I put off the sheet metal work until the fall otherwise I would not be entertaining this thought. Putting this together on a rolling chassis should be fun and not to difficult. 63fj45 swb deisel or would that be a 63bj45 swb clone. __________________ 81 BJ42 3b full cage, rear locker, rocky mountan Parobolic springs , 4 " lift., 63 Fj45 swb. started rebuild w\ 78 Fj55 running gear (Stalled) 65FJ45 lpb needs work. 2 65 FJ40s parts rigs Polson MT

09-19-05, 09:54 PM	#10
canadian bum IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Red Deer, Alberta Posts: 221	Is the diesel 24 volt? __________________ 78 FJ45 Now going to be 1HD-T / Build up thread 79 BJ40 Going to be a turbo 3B /Starting to become many pieces 06 Taco Double Daily driver, 3 inch lift, pro comp rims and 285/75R16 BFG A/T 76 Ford Courier Bagging Unit /Rolled once,record jump 39 feet,record speed 90 mph,no brakes

09-19-05, 11:29 PM	#11
Grease Cruiser IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 TLCA# 8779 Posts: 600	"I am sure that I could search this out but I am assuming that the 60s rear axel is the same width as the 45 and I could swap out the 78 rear axel I have under the truck , but then I would have to choose which of the two gearing I want assuming that the 60 has 3.73 gears. I am sure after hearing about using the 60s crossmembers that I will not have to chop up this powered coated frame much." Wrong! The 60's axle is 4" wider than your 45 rear axle. It might look kind of goofy unless you did the front as well. Not sure if you have front disc brakes or not but might be a good time to upgrade. If you do alreadyhave them, tear down the front 60 axle and get a few bucks back by selling the parts as a conversion kit. Good Luck.

09-20-05, 01:19 AM	#12
Radd Cruisers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 3,831	Surprised nobody answered your question about the axle, yours is a full floater and in no means do I think its better but it does have its advantages although as mention the 60 series gear is wider. The engine tranny transfercase will make a fantastic addition too your rig, you are upgrading to IMO better gear. Next issue is parking brake, do a search and you will find many a fix, I was told a late model cable from a 3 speed is longer and will work by Cruiser Brett? Speedo cable will also need lengthening. __________________ Come and visit us in Duncan, BC www.raddcruisers.ca --> 60 Series Cable Lockers available - 4.11s or 3.70s - handles and cables included --> 12HT & H55F combos available - complete & running --> in stock and ready to go.

09-20-05, 04:46 PM	#14
skinny IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Dunrobin,Ontario. Posts: 88	Are you sure it is 24 volt??? I thought the BJ-60's were 12 volt (until 85 or something like that) and the HJ-60's were 24 volt??? It will still have 2 batteries but they will be in parrallel not series ... so 12 volts. That is how my 84 BJ-60. I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong. Todd __________________ 1984 BJ-60 thinking about selling, stock except for the rust and the dents 1988 BJ-74 13BT, PTO winch, OME suspension, 35x10.5 SSRs, LSD, no rust (yet).

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