Pyrometer wich one? - Page 2

crushers · 08-30-05, 08:37 PM

a pyro reacts much quicker than an elec water gauge, you can litteraly be i the 1200F for minutes before the water gauge even moves...
damage could already been done...
cheers

brownbear · 08-30-05, 09:04 PM

my engine was very under fueled for a long time barely made most hills. Not sure why it was that way. the wires had been touched before(safety wire on fuel screw). lead missing or cut off

so in this under fueled condition I feel a pyro is not needed. Now I adjusted slightly and have lots of power. I also at this time installed a pyro to see what was happening. As I could not get any smoke to judge. too cold -25 at that time.....

Now having the fuel turned up, I watch the pyro on long hills, sometimes I have to back off on the throttle. But it's definately worth it. The added power is very noticeable.

I feel if you got larger tires and live at higher altitudes then even if you don't touch the fuel adjustment then you need a pyro.

but for us that want to tune the engine to optimum performance staying under 1250 we need the pyro.

if your fuel screw has been tampered with and does not have the lead pressed on witness marks, then you need a pyro. If you absulutely know your engine is at toyota stock fuel adjustment and you have stock size tires and live at normal altitudes, you do not need a pyro.

thats my OP

masteryota · 08-30-05, 10:54 PM

The reason I asked about pyro is mainly because I had heard of them a lot in here.
And then something strange happened one day.
I was heading back home on a 30 km ride at 90km/h.
Gas tank was half full and the fuel gauge showed exactly that.
Then is starts going up until it reaches the top half, I'm like WOOHOO! Free Diesel!!

Then look at my temp gauge and I'm like

troubles!
The needle had gone up on that one too.
So I can live with the gas gauges going up or not being tooooo accurate, but the heat gauges? Can't afford an engine rebuild if I can save it for a few hundred $$
BTW : Anyone had this crazy problem?!

Thanks again everyone
Matt

crushers · 08-30-05, 11:17 PM

yep, that is a typical problem. most guys freak when it happens, i know i did when it first happened to me. i run auto meter temp gauge as well as pyro and boost. on the HJ,BJ i recommend these to my customers and on the HDJ81 i recommend the pyro, boost and mech oil since thier down fall is the bearings...
cheers

Eric Winkworth · 08-31-05, 06:35 AM

mechnical gauges are really nice, it is cool to actually know whats going on!

crushers · 08-31-05, 06:52 AM

i find they are a great relief as back up for the factory ones... especialy if we know the particular concern of a certain engine...

cruiser_guy · 08-31-05, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brownbear

If you absulutely know your engine is at toyota stock fuel adjustment and you have stock size tires and live at normal altitudes, you do not need a pyro.

thats my OP

That described my truck exactly when I dropped a precup!! The wire is still on my fuelpump and with the turbo I can reach 1200-1250 on the pyro preturbo.

Tapage · 08-31-05, 12:50 PM

I thought if you have a proper Pyro, you can read more fast and accurate your engine temp, in this line, in my HJ-60 I have a pyro, oil press and when I have a Turbo ( I hope soon .. !

) one boost meter.

My idea in this issue is, if you have your engine fine, and your diesel pump stay in original setup you can drive safe and unworried about EGT. But in most cases here ( ok ok ok ok me ) can live with a stock diesel pump .. !

cruiser_guy · 08-31-05, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tapage

My idea in this issue is, if you have your engine fine, and your diesel pump stay in original setup you can drive safe and unworried about EGT. But in most cases here ( ok ok ok ok me ) can live with a stock diesel pump .. !

In most cases yes. But it depends where your pump was set in the factory tolerances. Mine is obviously set richer than most.

crushers · 08-31-05, 01:12 PM

BTW, interesting tidbit:
on the autometer pyro kit the instructions read "install probe 2" below the turbo exhaust adapter" or something to that effect...
in other words it is recommended by the manufacturer to install POST turbo.
cheers

polarweasel · 08-31-05, 04:24 PM

So Wayne, where do you have all these extra gauges mounted? Got any pictures?

On a related note, does anyone actually make an A-pillar gauge pod for 60/62s? That would be ideal for me, unless I get really stupid and decide to make myself a whole new gauge cluster...

cruiser_guy · 08-31-05, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crushers

BTW, interesting tidbit:
on the autometer pyro kit the instructions read "install probe 2" below the turbo exhaust adapter" or something to that effect...
in other words it is recommended by the manufacturer to install POST turbo.
cheers

Wayne, that's because you use cheap Autometer gauges

Tapage · 09-01-05, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cruiser_guy

In most cases yes. But it depends where your pump was set in the factory tolerances. Mine is obviously set richer than most.

Why do you think this .. ?

08-30-05, 08:37 PM	#31
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	a pyro reacts much quicker than an elec water gauge, you can litteraly be i the 1200F for minutes before the water gauge even moves... damage could already been done... cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

08-30-05, 09:04 PM	#32
brownbear Mod in Hibernation Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Where diesels purr and turbos whine TLCA# 15584 Posts: 6,183	my engine was very under fueled for a long time barely made most hills. Not sure why it was that way. the wires had been touched before(safety wire on fuel screw). lead missing or cut off so in this under fueled condition I feel a pyro is not needed. Now I adjusted slightly and have lots of power. I also at this time installed a pyro to see what was happening. As I could not get any smoke to judge. too cold -25 at that time..... Now having the fuel turned up, I watch the pyro on long hills, sometimes I have to back off on the throttle. But it's definately worth it. The added power is very noticeable. I feel if you got larger tires and live at higher altitudes then even if you don't touch the fuel adjustment then you need a pyro. but for us that want to tune the engine to optimum performance staying under 1250 we need the pyro. if your fuel screw has been tampered with and does not have the lead pressed on witness marks, then you need a pyro. If you absulutely know your engine is at toyota stock fuel adjustment and you have stock size tires and live at normal altitudes, you do not need a pyro. thats my OP __________________ -84 BJ60, Finally on the FN road! -91 FJ80, wife's ride Iron Butt award winner of the Cruise Moab 08 !

08-30-05, 10:54 PM	#33
masteryota IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 110	The reason I asked about pyro is mainly because I had heard of them a lot in here. And then something strange happened one day. I was heading back home on a 30 km ride at 90km/h. Gas tank was half full and the fuel gauge showed exactly that. Then is starts going up until it reaches the top half, I'm like WOOHOO! Free Diesel!! Then look at my temp gauge and I'm like troubles! The needle had gone up on that one too. So I can live with the gas gauges going up or not being tooooo accurate, but the heat gauges? Can't afford an engine rebuild if I can save it for a few hundred $$ BTW : Anyone had this crazy problem?! Thanks again everyone Matt __________________ 1993 Toyota 4runner 4x4. 22re powered stocker! 1985 Toyota Land-Cruiser Bj70. 3b 3.4L diesel powered stocker!

08-30-05, 11:17 PM	#34
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	yep, that is a typical problem. most guys freak when it happens, i know i did when it first happened to me. i run auto meter temp gauge as well as pyro and boost. on the HJ,BJ i recommend these to my customers and on the HDJ81 i recommend the pyro, boost and mech oil since thier down fall is the bearings... cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

08-31-05, 06:35 AM	#35
Eric Winkworth IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,419	mechnical gauges are really nice, it is cool to actually know whats going on! __________________ 1986 BJ70, 24v with a 3B

08-31-05, 06:52 AM	#36
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	i find they are a great relief as back up for the factory ones... especialy if we know the particular concern of a certain engine... __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

08-31-05, 01:12 PM	#40
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	BTW, interesting tidbit: on the autometer pyro kit the instructions read "install probe 2" below the turbo exhaust adapter" or something to that effect... in other words it is recommended by the manufacturer to install POST turbo. cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

08-31-05, 04:24 PM	#41
polarweasel Where's mah cruzah? Join Date: May 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado TLCA# 17558 Posts: 788	So Wayne, where do you have all these extra gauges mounted? Got any pictures? On a related note, does anyone actually make an A-pillar gauge pod for 60/62s? That would be ideal for me, unless I get really stupid and decide to make myself a whole new gauge cluster... __________________ 84 FJ60, locked and lifted and dismantled with Mercedes diesel 1982 BJ42 loud and slow daily driver on 33s Horsetooth 4-Wheelers

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