Diesel Treatment, which one....???

Gold Boy · 08-24-05, 03:33 PM

I use STP treatment for lubricity and to clean injectors. Is there a better treatment and why?

Thanks

GB

Louisg · 08-24-05, 04:23 PM

I assume you mean diesel lubricant added to the fuel each time you fill up. For years I have used Kleen Flow's Diesel lubricant 953 for my H2. A few ounces per tankful., more in cold weather and where the fuel is dirty. The engine is over 400,000km without any kind of fuel trouble. It even smokes less than when I bought it 15 years ago. All truckstops carry it or the same under another brand.
For engine oil I use Castrol 15-40 diesel. I once tried Shell Rotella and the fuel pressure immediately dropped a little, followed by a little oil burning. When I switched back to Castrol, the engine just went back to normal.

A2B in a TLC · 08-24-05, 04:38 PM

Howe's is what most guys use I think. Cleans injectors, lubs the injector pump, improves gas mileage. Costs about $20 at Lordco and a bottle will give you about 10 fill ups.

Sincerely,

Bruce

VTCruiser · 08-24-05, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louisg

I assume you mean diesel lubricant added to the fuel each time you fill up. For years I have used Kleen Flow's Diesel lubricant 953 for my H2. A few ounces per tankful., more in cold weather and where the fuel is dirty. The engine is over 400,000km without any kind of fuel trouble. It even smokes less than when I bought it 15 years ago. All truckstops carry it or the same under another brand.
For engine oil I use Castrol 15-40 diesel. I once tried Shell Rotella and the fuel pressure immediately dropped a little, followed by a little oil burning. When I switched back to Castrol, the engine just went back to normal.

hey, another Vermonter!

i am from the manchester area (weston, actually), but am at school in South Carolina (Clemson). Welcome to MUD! Do you drive an HJ60 too?

Towpack · 08-24-05, 04:54 PM

Millers Diesel Power Plus.

http://www.millersoils.net/

Eric Winkworth · 08-24-05, 05:34 PM

Lucas diesel duel conditioner, I have always been a big fan of the lucas, since my friend put some Lucas oil stablizer in his old XR that was burning crazy amounts of oil, it immediatly stopped burning oil and ran like a totaly different bike, it was weird!

HZJ60 Guy · 08-24-05, 06:57 PM

I use 4 ozs or Stanadyne every tank. I also use 4 ozs of Amsoil additive and Amsoil cetane booster every tank.

crushers · 08-24-05, 07:35 PM

Howels for me and i recommend this to my customers as well...
reason?
it was recommended to me by Bruce L and i trust his judgement...
cheers

Dogsled · 08-24-05, 07:39 PM

Stanadyne. Used by fleets everywhere.

StanCruiserMan · 08-24-05, 07:50 PM

I use Lucas. It works and it is easy to find in USA and Australia!

http://www.lucasoil.com/products/dis...tid=2&loc=show
From their site:
Key Benefits

* A great tune-up in a bottle
* Cleans and lubricates the fuel system
* Neutralizes low sulfur fuel problems
* Increases power and miles per gallon by burning excess exhaust emissions
* Increases the life of pumps and injectors

brownbear · 08-24-05, 07:51 PM

cnd tire 3 in one. tastes awful so its gotta be good for you......wait thats buckleys

but I still say cnd tire 3 in one...

at work I buy kleen flo brand

Red Herring · 08-24-05, 08:19 PM

Crushr...

Not to be picky... but being new and all, have you thought of a different name Crushr? Crushers is an old timer with over 2500 posts, and it can get confusing! Maybe he doesn't give a hoot, or is too polite to mention, or maybe I'm being anal... but what about it?

bj70_guy · 08-24-05, 08:48 PM

Howes diesel treat here.

Greg_B · 08-24-05, 09:46 PM

Howes at times: http://www.howeslube.com/products/index.php/category/10

Ezoil right now, on the recommendation of a HD shop local to me: http://www.ezoil.com/dieselaid.html

gb

silvercrusher · 08-24-05, 10:05 PM

I use kleen flo but only because it is cheap. Like 15 bucks does alot of tanks. I think as long as you use one you are doing well. Keep that injection pump lubed up. They are probably all made from the same crap. Who really knows?

Cheers

wesintl · 08-24-05, 10:13 PM

I use Stanadyne mostly.. and Howes when I can find it.

HZJ60 Guy · 08-24-05, 10:14 PM

What's nice is that everybody is using SOMETHING!

I dont care what, as long as you use something. As they take the sulphur out of the fuel (they're doing that right now) and as we approach 2007 and the ultra low sulphur diesel you'll be killin your injection pump right quick if you dont use some kind of lubricity additive.

Good job all.

Technikev · 08-24-05, 10:25 PM

I have always used additive in any diesel - usually Stanadyne. The low sulfur fuel is a killer on punps.

As I understand it, it's not the sulfur that lubricates, but the process that removes the sulfur which also lessens the lubricating properties of diesel. You would think that they would fiind some other way to remove the sulfur. Or I may be misinformed...

-kevin

wesintl · 08-24-05, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HZJ60 Guy

What's nice is that everybody is using SOMETHING!

I'm suprised no one said bio/veggie or b20. I don't think you need to run additive if you run b20 and up. right?

Gold Boy · 08-24-05, 10:59 PM

Mohawk gas claims that they add some kind of lube to there diesel... http://www.huskyenergy.ca/products/d.../DieselMax.pdf

Don't no if I would trust it...

Thanks

GB

Scoot Jockey · 08-25-05, 12:45 AM

Wesintl,

I currently use Stanadyne, but I am in the middle of building my own biodiesel processor to compensate for the insane price of diesel right now. You mention that additives may not be needed with the use of biodiesel, but I wonder if you can still use it anyway(additives), without it having a negative reaction to the bio?

Scoot

Deny · 08-25-05, 10:32 AM

We never run any additive when running bio, even when running 50/50 in the winter. Bio is really lubricating, and is one of the first things I noticed when running it, quieter engine.

HZJ60 Guy · 08-25-05, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wesintl

I'm suprised no one said bio/veggie or b20. I don't think you need to run additive if you run b20 and up. right?

Oops, of course I forgot about that. Yes the lubrication properties of bio are superior. BUT, I would still run an additive to UP the cetane rating of the fuel, AND to help rumove any WATER that might have collected in there.

Tom

Dogsled · 08-25-05, 12:15 PM

I'm running up to B80 at times, but still (probably more force of habit than anything) add a bit of Standyne. Doesn't seem to hurt, so I've assumed it helps.

(Red Herring - I'd be happy to change username Crushr to something distinctive if I could figure out how...doesn't seem to be an easy way to do this from User CP. Anyone know the secret?)

wesintl · 08-25-05, 12:26 PM

Not to hijack.. I thought the same thing at first... Damn, now i'm going to think he is wayne. There are other folks that have Greg_B, Greg B, Gregb, gregc, greg and the same thing with rick_d... Took me a while to distingush between them. Just Keep using a sig since it makes it easier on us.. that's my .02

crushers · 08-25-05, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crushr

(Red Herring - I'd be happy to change username Crushr to something distinctive if I could figure out how...doesn't seem to be an easy way to do this from User CP. Anyone know the secret?)

it doesn't bother me, this way i can blame my ooops on you...
LOL!!
;^)
cheers

Red Herring · 08-25-05, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crushr

I'm running up to B80 at times, but still (probably more force of habit than anything) add a bit of Standyne. Doesn't seem to hurt, so I've assumed it helps.

(Red Herring - I'd be happy to change username Crushr to something distinctive if I could figure out how...doesn't seem to be an easy way to do this from User CP. Anyone know the secret?)

Ya... I think your best bet is to e-mail Woody (or PM him here) and give him your prefered name. He can do it from admin. Look under "Member List" to find him.

Steve

expat · 08-25-05, 06:19 PM

You guys read the name? Heck I just look at the avatars. Of course when some one changes them... it takes me a while to figure out...

BTW...I use Howes.

wesintl · 08-25-05, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HZJ60 Guy

Oops, of course I forgot about that. Yes the lubrication properties of bio are superior. BUT, I would still run an additive to UP the cetane rating of the fuel, AND to help rumove any WATER that might have collected in there

Doesn't B20 have a higher cetane rating? I can never seem to find a stated cetane for bio... anyway how does additive help remove water? Isn't that what your water seperator is for? noob cetane and additive questions?

jzilla · 08-27-05, 04:18 PM

I use stanadyne as well, fred holmes fuel injection in richmond recommended it.

08-24-05, 03:33 PM	#1
Gold Boy it's a wooly worm Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Southern Interior, BC, Canada. Posts: 1,608 Blog Entries: 1	Diesel Treatment, which one....??? I use STP treatment for lubricity and to clean injectors. Is there a better treatment and why? Thanks GB Last edited by Gold Boy; 08-24-05 at 09:29 PM. Reason: can't spell

08-24-05, 04:38 PM	#3
A2B in a TLC IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tsawwassen, BC TLCA# 15095 Posts: 254	Howe's is what most guys use I think. Cleans injectors, lubs the injector pump, improves gas mileage. Costs about $20 at Lordco and a bottle will give you about 10 fill ups. Sincerely, Bruce __________________ Bruce, '76 FJ40 (sold long ago), '88 JDM BJ74V (recently sold), '86 HJ60, TLCA #15095, Coastal Cruisers member "The worst moment for any atheist is when he feels grateful for something and has no-one to thank."

08-24-05, 05:34 PM	#6
Eric Winkworth IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,419	Lucas diesel duel conditioner, I have always been a big fan of the lucas, since my friend put some Lucas oil stablizer in his old XR that was burning crazy amounts of oil, it immediatly stopped burning oil and ran like a totaly different bike, it was weird! __________________ 1986 BJ70, 24v with a 3B

08-24-05, 06:57 PM	#7
HZJ60 Guy Tank Buster Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Seattle area TLCA# 13102 Posts: 2,337	I use 4 ozs or Stanadyne every tank. I also use 4 ozs of Amsoil additive and Amsoil cetane booster every tank. __________________ 2001 VW TDI Bora 1987 Toyota HZTJ-60 I'm a democrat member of the House of Representatives, and I've got what it takes to take what you've got!

08-24-05, 07:35 PM	#8
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	Howels for me and i recommend this to my customers as well... reason? it was recommended to me by Bruce L and i trust his judgement... cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

08-24-05, 04:23 PM	#2
Louisg IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Northern Vermont Posts: 14	I assume you mean diesel lubricant added to the fuel each time you fill up. For years I have used Kleen Flow's Diesel lubricant 953 for my H2. A few ounces per tankful., more in cold weather and where the fuel is dirty. The engine is over 400,000km without any kind of fuel trouble. It even smokes less than when I bought it 15 years ago. All truckstops carry it or the same under another brand. For engine oil I use Castrol 15-40 diesel. I once tried Shell Rotella and the fuel pressure immediately dropped a little, followed by a little oil burning. When I switched back to Castrol, the engine just went back to normal.

08-24-05, 04:54 PM	#5
Towpack IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Yorkshire,England Posts: 133	Millers Diesel Power Plus. http://www.millersoils.net/

08-24-05, 07:39 PM	#9
Dogsled IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Labrador, Canada TLCA# 15245 Posts: 62	Stanadyne. Used by fleets everywhere. __________________ Larry Innes Goose Bay, Labrador 1987 HJ-60 + H55F + AIT Turbo + biodiesel + 3" OME Dakar + ARB bush bar + Hannibal rack + rooftop tent + 31 x 10.5 Michelin LTX/AT

08-24-05, 07:50 PM	#10
StanCruiserMan IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Jul 2005 TLCA# 1674 Posts: 80	I use Lucas. It works and it is easy to find in USA and Australia! http://www.lucasoil.com/products/dis...tid=2&loc=show From their site: Key Benefits * A great tune-up in a bottle * Cleans and lubricates the fuel system * Neutralizes low sulfur fuel problems * Increases power and miles per gallon by burning excess exhaust emissions * Increases the life of pumps and injectors

08-24-05, 07:51 PM	#11
brownbear Mod in Hibernation Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Where diesels purr and turbos whine TLCA# 15584 Posts: 6,183	cnd tire 3 in one. tastes awful so its gotta be good for you......wait thats buckleys but I still say cnd tire 3 in one... at work I buy kleen flo brand __________________ -84 BJ60, Finally on the FN road! -91 FJ80, wife's ride Iron Butt award winner of the Cruise Moab 08 !

08-24-05, 08:19 PM	#12
Red Herring IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South of the 49th. just. Posts: 398	Crushr... Not to be picky... but being new and all, have you thought of a different name Crushr? Crushers is an old timer with over 2500 posts, and it can get confusing! Maybe he doesn't give a hoot, or is too polite to mention, or maybe I'm being anal... but what about it? __________________ 1982 BJ60... Rusty... and not so trusty... RIP - Rust In Peace 1989 HJ61 12H-T Steve "This was a particularly bad case of somebody being cut in half." "no sore knot know" Lunyou.

08-24-05, 08:48 PM	#13
bj70_guy bj74_guy? Join Date: Oct 2003 TLCA# 6257 Posts: 609	Howes diesel treat here. __________________ norm '85 BJ70 - old yard decoration '89 BJ74 - newer yard decoration

08-24-05, 09:46 PM	#14
Greg_B IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2002 TLCA# 7091 Posts: 3,075	Howes at times: http://www.howeslube.com/products/index.php/category/10 Ezoil right now, on the recommendation of a HD shop local to me: http://www.ezoil.com/dieselaid.html gb __________________ WANT A TOYOTA DIESEL ENGINE? Join the Import Vehicle Owners Association of Canada: Fight for what is right Canadian Vehicle Importers and Suppliers: Join the CAVI TLCA#7091

08-24-05, 10:05 PM	#15
silvercrusher IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: vancouver island Posts: 345	I use kleen flo but only because it is cheap. Like 15 bucks does alot of tanks. I think as long as you use one you are doing well. Keep that injection pump lubed up. They are probably all made from the same crap. Who really knows? Cheers __________________ "it'll only take a minute to fix" 85 BJ60 all stock so far 03 VW JETTA WAGON TDI

08-24-05, 10:13 PM	#16
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	I use Stanadyne mostly.. and Howes when I can find it. __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound Real Change is here --> Cato Institute

08-24-05, 10:14 PM	#17
HZJ60 Guy Tank Buster Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Seattle area TLCA# 13102 Posts: 2,337	What's nice is that everybody is using SOMETHING! I dont care what, as long as you use something. As they take the sulphur out of the fuel (they're doing that right now) and as we approach 2007 and the ultra low sulphur diesel you'll be killin your injection pump right quick if you dont use some kind of lubricity additive. Good job all. __________________ 2001 VW TDI Bora 1987 Toyota HZTJ-60 I'm a democrat member of the House of Representatives, and I've got what it takes to take what you've got!

08-24-05, 10:25 PM	#18
Technikev IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 269	I have always used additive in any diesel - usually Stanadyne. The low sulfur fuel is a killer on punps. As I understand it, it's not the sulfur that lubricates, but the process that removes the sulfur which also lessens the lubricating properties of diesel. You would think that they would fiind some other way to remove the sulfur. Or I may be misinformed... -kevin

08-24-05, 10:59 PM	#20
Gold Boy it's a wooly worm Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Southern Interior, BC, Canada. Posts: 1,608 Blog Entries: 1	Mohawk gas claims that they add some kind of lube to there diesel... http://www.huskyenergy.ca/products/d.../DieselMax.pdf Don't no if I would trust it... Thanks GB

08-25-05, 12:45 AM	#21
Scoot Jockey IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 129	Wesintl, I currently use Stanadyne, but I am in the middle of building my own biodiesel processor to compensate for the insane price of diesel right now. You mention that additives may not be needed with the use of biodiesel, but I wonder if you can still use it anyway(additives), without it having a negative reaction to the bio? Scoot __________________ 1984 HJ47 Troop Carrier 1973 FJ55 Rusty Wagon 2003 KTM LC4 Adventure 640

08-25-05, 10:32 AM	#22
Deny IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Fort St John, BC TLCA# 11568 Posts: 1,371	We never run any additive when running bio, even when running 50/50 in the winter. Bio is really lubricating, and is one of the first things I noticed when running it, quieter engine. __________________ Diesels Rule 81 BJ42 Check out my endless fix up progress at http://forum.ih8mud.com/ca-bc-peace-canyon-toyota-swamp-donkeys/152995-bj42-winter-fix-up.html

08-25-05, 12:15 PM	#24
Dogsled IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Labrador, Canada TLCA# 15245 Posts: 62	I'm running up to B80 at times, but still (probably more force of habit than anything) add a bit of Standyne. Doesn't seem to hurt, so I've assumed it helps. (Red Herring - I'd be happy to change username Crushr to something distinctive if I could figure out how...doesn't seem to be an easy way to do this from User CP. Anyone know the secret?) __________________ Larry Innes Goose Bay, Labrador 1987 HJ-60 + H55F + AIT Turbo + biodiesel + 3" OME Dakar + ARB bush bar + Hannibal rack + rooftop tent + 31 x 10.5 Michelin LTX/AT

08-25-05, 12:26 PM	#25
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	Not to hijack.. I thought the same thing at first... Damn, now i'm going to think he is wayne. There are other folks that have Greg_B, Greg B, Gregb, gregc, greg and the same thing with rick_d... Took me a while to distingush between them. Just Keep using a sig since it makes it easier on us.. that's my .02 __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound Real Change is here --> Cato Institute

08-25-05, 06:19 PM	#28
expat IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Marlinspike Hall TLCA# dunno Posts: 283	You guys read the name? Heck I just look at the avatars. Of course when some one changes them... it takes me a while to figure out... BTW...I use Howes. __________________ Billions of bilious blue blistering barnacles! 1988 HJ61 1977 FJ40 1981 Nordic Tug 26 (now with new Volvo power) I'm done with this Retard bandwagon back slapping thread. - Guambomb I don't need stupid comments...I am asking for insight not half witted moronic mumblings. - Webelk6

08-27-05, 04:18 PM	#30
jzilla IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: N Vancouver, BC Posts: 267	I use stanadyne as well, fred holmes fuel injection in richmond recommended it. __________________ 81 BJ60 turbo, intercooler, snorkel, etc.