BJ56 Does it exist?

roscoFJ73 · 07-18-05, 03:53 AM

I got to admit there is not a lot of info regarding diesel 5# ,so is this the real thing?
As it was previously owned by the Indonesian military ,it may have had the 14B fitted as a special order. I know the Indonesian’s get specially built Landrovers similar the Aust army
http://www.geocities.com/sudde01/tlc.html?200518

crushers · 07-18-05, 04:23 AM

that engine wasn't around when the 56 was discontinued in 1980.
that seems like a reall mixmash of parts, 55 body in the most part, 70 series lights, i have no idea where the back bumper came from, front and rear fender flares that are definately not for a 55 series, that dash is no 56 series dash,
nope that is a basterdized rig...

love the front bumper, it really shows how the 70 series got it's design...
love the egnien compartment sound deadening....

roscoFJ73 · 07-18-05, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crushers

that engine wasn't around when the 56 was discontinued in 1980.
that seems like a reall mixmash of parts, 55 body in the most part, 70 series lights, i have no idea where the back bumper came from, front and rear fender flares that are definately not for a 55 series, that dash is no 56 series dash,
nope that is a basterdized rig...

love the front bumper, it really shows how the 70 series got it's design...
love the egnien compartment sound deadening....

I noticed it had a lot of improvements but Im still curious as to why he calls it a 56.
I sent him an email ,so well see

roscoFJ73 · 07-18-05, 06:12 AM

Ive also never seem amby doors like that on a ausse pig.

I suspect a lot of the body improvements have come from Japan,they have that look

Exiled · 07-18-05, 07:11 AM

Looks to me like one of those Third World specials, very common back in Venezuela. Take a beat-up old FJ55, do a drivetrain swap/update (no oem lights available? Put some from a newer Cruiser on, we have those in stock), let loose some old-school metal workers on it and then do some mods to "update" the body.

Very common with FJ40's and 45 troopies in Venezuela, I've seen a few with the roof welded to the body and the lines cleaned and painted over so it looks seamless. You'd also be hard-pressed to find an FJ40 in Venezuela that *doesn't* have 70 series turn signals.

I doubt it's one of the famed BJ56's, but if it is, we need a picture of the VIN tag, that should be interesting!

Cruiserdrew · 07-18-05, 08:43 AM

I don't see any leaf springs. Maybe a custom 55 body on an 80 series chassis? Very cool though.

crushers · 07-18-05, 08:48 AM

you are right, in the one pic you can clearly see the coils coils up front and probably out back as well...
interesting

Landpimp · 07-18-05, 08:52 AM

wow, I can really see a j77 in that 55.

interesting rig for sure.

isn't a j56 just a 75+ jap spec 55?

crushers · 07-18-05, 08:57 AM

56 = barn doors on the back... at least that is how i identify them...
cheers

Landpimp · 07-18-05, 09:13 AM

from the spec sheet

Multilink coil spring on rigid cardan both front and rear. All are completed with 10 shock absorbers, 4 in front and 6 rear.

Quote:

Originally Posted by crushers

you are right, in the one pic you can clearly see the coils coils up front and probably out back as well...
interesting

crushers · 07-18-05, 09:20 AM

these guys have been reading way too many 4X4 mags produced in America...
6 shocks in the rear?!?

beanz2 · 07-19-05, 01:28 AM

Landpimp is right. FJ56 is what they call the petrol 55 in Japan when they get the 2F. Dunno about the BJ56.

The rear barn doors are more 70 series style. The factory 55 barn doors are symmetrical. I know there are a lot of good body men/panel beaters in Indonesia and with the cheap labor there anything is possible.

Dave

beanz2 · 07-19-05, 01:35 AM

how the owner converted an FJ56 into this vehicle by installing a 14B

Dave

roscoFJ73 · 07-19-05, 02:47 AM

Ok I concede there is probably no diesel 55/56.
The Foreign toyota page says the differnces between a 55 and a 56 are body differnences.
It seemed to me a H or B diesel pig would have made sense even then.

crushers · 07-19-05, 03:04 AM

hey, you tried...
i think it is cool that someone would try to preserve such an ugly rig by updating the parts... a ton of work there...
cheers

Landpimp · 07-19-05, 09:32 AM

Ihave heard a few times that there were factory H diesel pigs in OZ, never seen any pics or proof tp back it up however

Quote:

Originally Posted by roscoFJ73

Ok I concede there is probably no diesel 55/56.
The Foreign toyota page says the differnces between a 55 and a 56 are body differnences.
It seemed to me a H or B diesel pig would have made sense even then.

crushers · 07-19-05, 09:37 AM

they might be swaps but not factory...

tlcruiserman · 07-19-05, 02:22 PM

I checked all of my sources and there was never a BJ56 or HJ56 on the FJ56 wich was the FJ55 from years 78-80 The FJ56 is a little wider and a little taller than the 55.

Cheers,

Michael

Exiled · 07-19-05, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlcruiserman

I checked all of my sources and there was never a BJ56 or HJ56 on the FJ56 wich was the FJ55 from years 78-80 The FJ56 is a little wider and a little taller than the 55.

Cheers,

Michael

Can you clarify, Michael? Is it the body itself? I thought the FJ56 just had minor update changes, are you sure there's two different bodies? I can't find reference to that in any of my brochures, and I have a late model Japanese FJ55 brochure (lists the FJ55, BTW, not the FJ56).

roscoFJ73 · 07-20-05, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exiled

Can you clarify, Michael? Is it the body itself? I thought the FJ56 just had minor update changes, are you sure there's two different bodies? I can't find reference to that in any of my brochures, and I have a late model Japanese FJ55 brochure (lists the FJ55, BTW, not the FJ56).

This explains some of the body differences here,look under the FJ5# section.

http://www.brian894x4.com/FOREIGNTOYOTAMAINPAGE.html

Landpimp · 07-20-05, 08:51 AM

yeah just the hood and some trim changed, but the body did not get wider or anything like that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by roscoFJ73

This explains some of the body differences here,look under the FJ5# section.

http://www.brian894x4.com/FOREIGNTOYOTAMAINPAGE.html

tlcruiserman · 07-20-05, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exiled

Can you clarify, Michael? Is it the body itself? I thought the FJ56 just had minor update changes, are you sure there's two different bodies? I can't find reference to that in any of my brochures, and I have a late model Japanese FJ55 brochure (lists the FJ55, BTW, not the FJ56).

According to my source book the overall dimensions are different on the FJ56V

FJ55 FJ56

Length 4675 4675
Width 1690 1735
Height 1960 1865

These are all in MM

I agree the body does not look different with the exception of the tall hood to handle the aircleaner for the 2F (sits on top of valve cover) F motor had can next to block like 70 series, 42 series and 80 series. Hope that explains it.

Cheers,

Michael

Landpimp · 07-20-05, 07:30 PM

were is the width takin from? body or axle or ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlcruiserman

According to my source book the overall dimensions are different on the FJ56V

FJ55 FJ56

Length 4675 4675
Width 1690 1735
Height 1960 1865

These are all in MM

I agree the body does not look different with the exception of the tall hood to handle the aircleaner for the 2F (sits on top of valve cover) F motor had can next to block like 70 series, 42 series and 80 series. Hope that explains it.

Cheers,

Michael

bad_religion_au · 07-20-05, 11:17 PM

australian 2f's had the air cleaner next t othe block

tlcruiserman · 07-21-05, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Landpimp

were is the width takin from? body or axle or ?

Hey LP,

Not sure where it is taken from all it states is "overall" width, for that matter all the figures were "overall".

Michael

tlcruiserman · 07-21-05, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bad_religion_au

australian 2f's had the air cleaner next t othe block

Was that on all of them, up to 1980 or so or was that just on the 40 series?

Thanks,

Michael

bad_religion_au · 07-21-05, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlcruiserman

Was that on all of them, up to 1980 or so or was that just on the 40 series?

Thanks,

Michael

the 1978 Fj55 i bought as a wreck had this, as did a friends 1979 55 series. can't say about 1980.

bj40man · 07-22-05, 12:35 AM

Hello,

From what I understand then, one diff between a 55 and a 56 is the position of the taillights? If it has the tailights in different position and diff type (from factory), then it is a 56 right?

roscoFJ73 · 07-23-05, 07:15 AM

Ok Im back from Bucshtaxi and they have a graph showing that a BJ55 was offered with a 2B diesel in 1979-80

http://buschtaxi.org/downloadz/fahrz...uebersicht.gif

roscoFJ73 · 07-23-05, 07:31 PM

QUOTE Crushers"accordign to this link there never was a BJ55 offered:
http://toyota.mnc.ru/framno/longindex.html
from what i was told this was copied from the original Toyota frame number production list...
there are those that wish there was a production BJ55, the ever elusive, none existing unit that Santa Clause must drive when in Aussiland...
;^)
cheers
Wayne"QUOTE

Im not concerned about proving a diesel 55 existed ,just looking for a definitve answer.
My French link must have also been copied from a factory list at some time and is as valid as your Russian one until proven otherwise

07-18-05, 03:53 AM	#1
roscoFJ73 Diesel for blood Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: west australia Posts: 6,523	BJ56 Does it exist? I got to admit there is not a lot of info regarding diesel 5# ,so is this the real thing? As it was previously owned by the Indonesian military ,it may have had the 14B fitted as a special order. I know the Indonesian’s get specially built Landrovers similar the Aust army http://www.geocities.com/sudde01/tlc.html?200518

07-18-05, 04:23 AM	#2
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	that engine wasn't around when the 56 was discontinued in 1980. that seems like a reall mixmash of parts, 55 body in the most part, 70 series lights, i have no idea where the back bumper came from, front and rear fender flares that are definately not for a 55 series, that dash is no 56 series dash, nope that is a basterdized rig... love the front bumper, it really shows how the 70 series got it's design... love the egnien compartment sound deadening.... __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

07-18-05, 08:43 AM	#6
Cruiserdrew IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sacramento, CA TLCA# 11734 Posts: 7,239	I don't see any leaf springs. Maybe a custom 55 body on an 80 series chassis? Very cool though. __________________ Andrew 1971 FJ-40 Rubicon tested, 2F powered, some mods 1976 FJ40 Rusting slowly in the back yard 1984 FJ-60 H55f, 4.11, Now SOA! 1989 FJ-62 117k-son's driver for now-low and slow 1997 FZJ-80 Driveway queen

07-18-05, 08:48 AM	#7
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	you are right, in the one pic you can clearly see the coils coils up front and probably out back as well... interesting __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

07-18-05, 08:57 AM	#9
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	56 = barn doors on the back... at least that is how i identify them... cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

07-18-05, 06:12 AM	#4
roscoFJ73 Diesel for blood Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: west australia Posts: 6,523	Ive also never seem amby doors like that on a ausse pig. I suspect a lot of the body improvements have come from Japan,they have that look

07-18-05, 07:11 AM	#5
Exiled Wagon Wheeler Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Round Rock, TX TLCA# 4080 Posts: 1,481	Looks to me like one of those Third World specials, very common back in Venezuela. Take a beat-up old FJ55, do a drivetrain swap/update (no oem lights available? Put some from a newer Cruiser on, we have those in stock), let loose some old-school metal workers on it and then do some mods to "update" the body. Very common with FJ40's and 45 troopies in Venezuela, I've seen a few with the roof welded to the body and the lines cleaned and painted over so it looks seamless. You'd also be hard-pressed to find an FJ40 in Venezuela that doesn't have 70 series turn signals. I doubt it's one of the famed BJ56's, but if it is, we need a picture of the VIN tag, that should be interesting!

07-18-05, 08:52 AM	#8
Landpimp IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gig Harbor WA TLCA# 5506 Posts: 11,565	wow, I can really see a j77 in that 55. interesting rig for sure. isn't a j56 just a 75+ jap spec 55?

07-18-05, 09:20 AM	#11
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	these guys have been reading way too many 4X4 mags produced in America... 6 shocks in the rear?!? __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

07-19-05, 01:28 AM	#12
beanz2 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,126	Landpimp is right. FJ56 is what they call the petrol 55 in Japan when they get the 2F. Dunno about the BJ56. The rear barn doors are more 70 series style. The factory 55 barn doors are symmetrical. I know there are a lot of good body men/panel beaters in Indonesia and with the cheap labor there anything is possible. Dave

07-19-05, 01:35 AM	#13
beanz2 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,126	Found It how the owner converted an FJ56 into this vehicle by installing a 14B Dave

07-19-05, 02:47 AM	#14
roscoFJ73 Diesel for blood Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: west australia Posts: 6,523	Ok I concede there is probably no diesel 55/56. The Foreign toyota page says the differnces between a 55 and a 56 are body differnences. It seemed to me a H or B diesel pig would have made sense even then.

07-19-05, 03:04 AM	#15
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	hey, you tried... i think it is cool that someone would try to preserve such an ugly rig by updating the parts... a ton of work there... cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

07-19-05, 09:37 AM	#17
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	they might be swaps but not factory... __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

07-19-05, 02:22 PM	#18
tlcruiserman IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: San Diego, CA USA TLCA# 7932 Posts: 1,078	I checked all of my sources and there was never a BJ56 or HJ56 on the FJ56 wich was the FJ55 from years 78-80 The FJ56 is a little wider and a little taller than the 55. Cheers, Michael __________________ Michael tlcruiserman@westcoastcruisers.com West Coast Cruisers Incorporated

07-20-05, 11:17 PM	#24
bad_religion_au Spit my last breath Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,021	australian 2f's had the air cleaner next t othe block __________________ What can you do when you wake up and realise you sacrificed everything you ever wanted in life for the sake of progress?

07-22-05, 12:35 AM	#28
bj40man IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 94	Hello, From what I understand then, one diff between a 55 and a 56 is the position of the taillights? If it has the tailights in different position and diff type (from factory), then it is a 56 right? __________________ 1975 BJ40 with 3B Diesel installed 1971 Gas to diesel conversion now sputtering!

07-23-05, 07:15 AM	#29
roscoFJ73 Diesel for blood Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: west australia Posts: 6,523	Ok Im back from Bucshtaxi and they have a graph showing that a BJ55 was offered with a 2B diesel in 1979-80 http://buschtaxi.org/downloadz/fahrz...uebersicht.gif

07-23-05, 07:31 PM	#30
roscoFJ73 Diesel for blood Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: west australia Posts: 6,523	QUOTE Crushers"accordign to this link there never was a BJ55 offered: http://toyota.mnc.ru/framno/longindex.html from what i was told this was copied from the original Toyota frame number production list... there are those that wish there was a production BJ55, the ever elusive, none existing unit that Santa Clause must drive when in Aussiland... ;^) cheers Wayne"QUOTE Im not concerned about proving a diesel 55 existed ,just looking for a definitve answer. My French link must have also been copied from a factory list at some time and is as valid as your Russian one until proven otherwise