'89 HJ61 Master Cylinder?

[Red Herring]

Hi Fellas,

Put new pads on the front the other day, and pushed the callipers back without opening the bleeder (leson learned)... not the brake pedal slowly travels to the floor. I took it into the local shop, and they could not find an FJ62 MC that would fit. I flitted around, and found one from a 4 Runner that looks the same...


What model master should I get?? HELP?

[crushers]

i have done exactly what you did with no repercusions, it sounds like air in the system. you did bleed the brakes properly after installing the pads right?
this is the first time i have heard of this happening... what did they say happened?
when the peddle is up then the fluid should flow back with out problems...
cheers

[crushers]

i might use one of fthe HJ60/FJ62 47201-60290 but the part number for hte HJ61 is different 47201-60360
i have a FJ62 sitting in the yard as well as a HJ61, i will check tomorrow and let you know if they are simular...

[Greg_B]

I was chatting to Sheldon, and he recalls one fellow getting a brake master from Toyota (NA stock) for his HJ61. I think it is the same as a FJ62.

Part number (47201-60360) shows as a LHD HJ61, whereas the 47201-60370 shows as RHD FJ62 and is also good for the FJ62/HJ6* ARL from 87/01 to 90/01.

hth's

gb

[Red Herring]

Excellent Greg... I was just talking with Wayne and he came up with the same # for the 61. Why doesn't Toyota know this stuff? Better yet, where can I get a parts book?

After puttzing around at Lordco and Toyota, I found a Raybestos which fit the bill perfectly... Lordco part # MC39996. Pricier than the others, and no core exchange.

Darn... first time i have been stumped for a part on this... but i expect it might happen again ! Wierd that the M/C packed it in in the first place... note to self... open the bleeder next time!

Thanks Guys!!!

[Greg_B]

Hi Steve. Glad you figured it. I saw your post on the part# thread. Did you want the 370 referenced instead of the 360? I thought the 370 is the correct one that crosses over to the FJ62/HJ6*?

gb

[crushers]

Greg,
i just punched in your part number and it bounced...
yah sure you got the right one??
cheers

[Red Herring]

OOps... did I post the wrong one?

[Greg_B]

Originally Posted by crushers

Greg,
i just punched in your part number and it bounced...
yah sure you got the right one??
cheers

Yes. General section.

gb

EDIT=I see what you mean Wayne. The 290 works for pre 1987, with a few change up numbers post 1987/08. Best bet is for someone to phone Toyota on monday and see what part number is referenced for post 1987/08 FJ62 in North America, and for you to visually check the FJ62 master you have, compared to a JDM HJ61. We can then confirm and make sure the info for the part # thread is correct.

hth's

gb

[bigbrowndog]

g'day , In north Queensland its pretty common to get the old master cylinder bored out and fitted with a stainless steel sleeve. Cheaper than a new one from Toyota and it lasts for ever.Same thing with the wheel cylinders, the metal in the later models doesn't like water. The old mod break drums are far better than the new ones also,newer models wear very quick.When bleeding best do the longest break lines first. cheers

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by bigbrowndog

g'day , In north Queensland its pretty common to get the old master cylinder bored out and fitted with a stainless steel sleeve. Cheaper than a new one from Toyota and it lasts for ever.Same thing with the wheel cylinders, the metal in the later models doesn't like water. The old mod break drums are far better than the new ones also,newer models wear very quick.When bleeding best do the longest break lines first. cheers

BBG I tried to get one with a S/S bore in Perth because Ive used them before on Fords and Holdens and I agree they are the best.
They told me they couldnt get them for cruisers.
It doesnt matter now as I have bought a new one but do you have any leads on national suppliers or did you just take it to a machinist?

I will definately consider a rebored one next time.

[bigbrowndog]

roscofj73, A bloke over in garbutt in Townsville, did mine ,I also got s/steel pistons for my front calipers off him. Today was labour day holiday here. Will see him during the week and get back to you.

[Greg_B]

Phoned our local Toy dealer. 47201-60370 is not a good North American number. 1989 FJ62 shows as 47201-60340. This number is good for 1985 up HJ60/FJ60 and the FJ62.

The next question is will this master will work for the JDM HJ61. Wayne, have you had a chance to check the FJ62 one you have?

hth's

gb

[Jan-78FJ40]

general question: why would pushing the calipers in hurt the master? shouldn't the fluid just go back into the reservoir? and since the reservoir cap is not airtight, why is this a problem?
Also, why should one bleed the brakes after replacing the pads? If the lines are not unlocked, no air should enter the system.
sorry for my ignorance...
thanks
Jan

[Red Herring]

I tried the FJ62 master, and it was the wrong size. Too big!?! The one on the HJ61 is shorter than the FJ62. I think it is a 4 runner model that fits.

[Jim_Chow]

Originally Posted by Red Herring

Hi Fellas,

Put new pads on the front the other day, and pushed the callipers back without opening the bleeder (leson learned)... not the brake pedal slowly travels to the floor. I took it into the local shop, and they could not find an FJ62 MC that would fit. I flitted around, and found one from a 4 Runner that looks the same...


What model master should I get?? HELP?

The bolt pattern on the Toyota minis/4runners/cruisers are the same. The 4-cyl rigs had smaller MC's (7/8" bore?) while the V6's and 80 series LC's have 1" bores. I swapped a FJ80 (non-abs) MC into my 1st gen 4-cyl 4runner. The height at which the brake pedal stops is slightly higher due to using the 4-cyl calipers and larger volume of fluid moved per pedal press. A couple of years later, I swapped in a V6 brake booster. The only difference between the FJ80 and FZJ80 MC's for abs is the ABS ones have one output that exits at an angle instead of perpendicular to the bore. I used a hard line from a '90 4runner V6 on the FJ80 MC...fit perfectly (as the stock 4runner 4-cyl MC had a hard line that exited not from the side, but from the top, IIRC).

[Satamax]

http://repairmanual.free.fr/serie6_chassis.pdf

[Red Herring]

Not so happy with the Raybestos, and in fact I question the quality of it from LORDCO. I think It might have been previously used, as it had a coating of oily fluid, and no caps on the openings. So... I have bought another unit from NAPA, helpful fellas, and physically it is the same size as the OEM, but the piston is slightly larger in diameter. This one even comes with a new reservoir, and was 1/2 the price of the LORDCO one. So, I will install it Thursday AM, and let you know how it works. It is NAPA #P9885 if anyone wants, and comes from a 1989 4 Runner V6.

Steve

[Greg_B]

Good research Steve! Hope this works, and can go in the FAQ as a great North American cross over application...

We never got the part number this fellow used (he had a shop in Vancouver source and install it) before he headed away on a long trip south. If we do manage to reconnect I am curious what application they found that worked (heard it was a Toyota part from the dealer). Sheldon thought LandCruiser, however perhaps they determined 4 Runner as you have.

gb

[roscoFJ73]

I got a part number from Toyota Aust for a 1989 HJ61 47201 60380 .

They reckon it will interchange with 60 and 62 series of the same year in oz.

They want $631.93 AUD which is probably why the parts and service section got shrunk during renovations.

[Red Herring]

Originally Posted by roscoFJ73

I got a part number from Toyota Aust for a 1989 HJ61 47201 60380 .

They reckon it will interchange with 60 and 62 series of the same year in oz.

They want $631.93 AUD which is probably why the parts and service section got shrunk during renovations.

Ouch Ouch... Thanks for the part #.... dang thats pricy.

[bigbrowndog]

Hi . roscofj73..
re, the s/steel sleeved master cylinder.. Garbutt Brake Service have taken over Brakesleeve Engineering who did mine. For a 1988/hj75 m/cylinder its $175.00, thats sleeved and kitted.
Std./ non genuine is $120..00 and $150.00 two types. that fit the 88/hj75.
Rang them today4/5/05. cheers from N.Q.

[roscoFJ73]

Originally Posted by bigbrowndog

Hi . roscofj73..
re, the s/steel sleeved master cylinder.. Garbutt Brake Service have taken over Brakesleeve Engineering who did mine. For a 1988/hj75 m/cylinder its $175.00, thats sleeved and kitted.
Std./ non genuine is $120..00 and $150.00 two types. that fit the 88/hj75.
Rang them today4/5/05. cheers from N.Q.

Hi BBD Thanks for that price .Ill look around here next time but those prices will be usefull.
I also had 2 similar prices for the aftermarket MC .I thought the cheaper one was the pre 87

[Greg_B]

Originally Posted by roscoFJ73

I got a part number from Toyota Aust for a 1989 HJ61 47201 60380 .

They reckon it will interchange with 60 and 62 series of the same year in oz.

They want $631.93 AUD which is probably why the parts and service section got shrunk during renovations.

That is really strange! EPC shows this part number as a LHD application, and not valid for JDM trucks (RHD). I phoned our local Toyota dealer, and it is also a not a good North American number, even though the general section EPC shows it good for post 1987 HJ60, BJ60, FJ62, etc. I wonder if it's the same master as the 340, just with a different world EPC number. Don't matter I guess, as Steve indicated the 340 will not work, as it is longer.

Question Steve...did the one you look at least have the brake line connection points in the right locations?

gb

[Red Herring]

Thats been the key point in my search Greg. The lines have lined u on both the Raybestos unit, and on the NAPA unit. The reservoir seats are also identical. I am expecting good things tomorrow morn with this big bore NAPA unit... more to come... I'll post up some pics.

[Jim_Chow]

In case you're interested, here are the parts I used:

-Master( '93-95 FJ80, non-ABS): Aisin part #AIS47201-60540 (made in Japan), $126 (got mine at JT Outfitters, Man-a-fre also had them)
-hard line ('90 V6 4runner): Toyota #47311-35440, $3
-gasket: Toyota #47275-24010, $2

[Red Herring]

Originally Posted by Jim_Chow

In case you're interested, here are the parts I used:

-Master( '93-95 FJ80, non-ABS): Aisin part #AIS47201-60540 (made in Japan), $126 (got mine at JT Outfitters, Man-a-fre also had them)
-hard line ('90 V6 4runner): Toyota #47311-35440, $3
-gasket: Toyota #47275-24010, $2

For an HJ61 Jim?

[Red Herring]

Turns out that the Raybestos unit was OK, just a little air I had not bled out properly of the MC itself... oops.

So the Raybestos works, and i am sure the NAPA would have been just fine as well. The heck with the Toy OEM units...