Turbo Position - Page 3

tlcruiserman · 03-10-05, 01:00 AM

Wes,

I will be at Moab with my 89' BJ70 Ragtop (3bII with 13bt setup) as well as my HDJ80

Hope to meet you there look for the West Coast Cruiser Banners

Cheers,

Michael

Quote:

Originally Posted by wesintl

Yep.. I'll let you know when I get and and I'll snap some good photos for all. I'll hopefully be able to get a feel compared to Brett's AXT out in Moab or anyone else with a 3B turbo there. I'm wondering what the fan ratios are. I don't really care about low end spool as I need highway spool

I'll probably have double the turbo cost into a gauge

wesintl · 03-10-05, 10:46 AM

Sweet, I was hoping more of us would stink the place up. I can't wait to see that ragtop you lucky sob

If any of you all are going to be out there earlier I'll be in moab fri or sat and might be wheeling around hanksville and the roost area before that.

lumpy70 · 03-12-05, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diesel Dude

Mine is a TC-05 mitsubishi, part no. 49168-01200. I just found this info on Turbo Chargers.com TC05-10A-4CM2 OEM # MD075015 Turbo# 49168-01500 Cartridge # 49168-08020 Repairkit#49168-84100

Do you have a link for the page on turbochargers.com for that specific turbo? I couldn't find it.

That Mitsubishi one you are referring to...is that the same D-50 one you spoke of earlier?

Craig.

lumpy70 · 03-12-05, 04:28 PM

both on ebay and on turbochargers.com, I don't find any tc05, lot's of td05's though.

I dunno, maybe my brain is fried.

Craig.

wesintl · 03-12-05, 07:28 PM

It's a dodge, but I think mitsu may have made the engine as it is diesel.

D-50 2.3L
APPLICATION:

MY82-83
Turbo Model OEM # Turbo # Cartridge # Repair Kit #
TC05-10A-4CM2 MD075015 49168-01500 49168-08020 49168-84100
APPLICATION:

MY84-86
Turbo Model OEM # Turbo # Cartridge # Repair Kit #
TC04-09B-4CM2 MD083373 49177-01020 49177-08040 49177-80400

cruiser_guy · 03-13-05, 02:37 PM

I'd be a little concerned that the turbo will be too small for the 3B as it's designed for a 2.3L diesel. If it was a 2.3L gas there would be no problem. Is the 2.3L Mitsubushi diesel a high reving diesel or is it the usual +/- 3000rpm red line? If the Mitsubushi diesel revs up to 4000 - 5000rpm then maybe all will be well.
The 2.2L gas turbo's work on the 3.4L 3B because the 2.2L gasser donors rev higher not because ANY 2.3L turbo is right for the 3B.
It's a factor of how much air passes through the turbo.

crushers · 03-13-05, 04:45 PM

i have a little turbo on the mitsubishi Jeep 2.7 and that sucker hauls, i realise the 3.4 is a bit bigger but in the past i ran a 2.4 turbo on a 3.4 and around the city the engine just hauled... i never had it long enough to try it on the highway...
cheers

Diesel Dude · 03-13-05, 11:53 PM

I had my 3B with the mitsubishi TC-05 Turbo up to 100mph today for a few seconds. Post Turbo pyro was at 800 degrees boost was at 13psi didnt seem to be restricted or anything by the Turbo.

crushers · 03-14-05, 12:33 AM

cool, congrates. bring it by and let me go for a boot...
;^)

David*BJ70 · 03-14-05, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diesel Dude

I had my 3B with the mitsubishi TC-05 Turbo up to 100mph today for a few seconds. Post Turbo pyro was at 800 degrees boost was at 13psi didnt seem to be restricted or anything by the Turbo.

100mph ... 160 km/h.... Wow. A Cruiser at this speed !!! Wow ! ...

wesintl · 03-14-05, 01:35 PM

My fun has arrived

wesintl · 03-14-05, 01:42 PM

Where do I hook into for oil flow into the turbo? And where should the exiting oil go to? Dieseldude, do you have an after pic that you can send me?

David*BJ70 · 03-14-05, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wesintl

Where do I hook into for oil flow into the turbo? And where should the exiting oil go to? Dieseldude, do you have an after pic that you can send me?

And fore you WESINTL give us some pics of the turbo on your 3B engine in your BJ70.

Diesel Dude · 03-14-05, 04:09 PM

Here are some pictures that show where I ran my lines. The blue line is the return line it drains where the alternator vac pump drains and the steel braided line shows where my pressure input line is Tee-d off of the oil pressure sender. I still have a little clean up work to do on the intake, the oil on the top of the filter is just where I cracked the line to make sure it was draining properly.

crushers · 03-14-05, 04:14 PM

is the return line have enough flow? the oil return is gravity fed and if the oil backs up then the bearings get starved of oil...
when i offered this a suggestion an earlier conversion i was told not to use that position for that exact fear... but if it working then that makes for a clean set up...
cheers

Diesel Dude · 03-14-05, 04:19 PM

The bolt I made for the drain has huge holes in it and I used an oversized eye as well the silicon hose is no where near flat anywhere. But just curious where do some of you other guys run you drain lines to?

crushers · 03-14-05, 04:57 PM

sounds like a good setup but you did use the same tapping into the block? or did you oversize it...
the reason i ask is i suspect that might be some of the reason for the vacumn pump failures might be from a oil return restriction...
i have no proof what so ever for this "feeling"... i have just seen a LOT of pump failures over the years and am curious if the splines are ripped off because of poor circulation...
cheers
please do not take this as a slam on your design i think it is a very clean setup, one of the best i have seen.

wesintl · 03-14-05, 05:43 PM

I see you still have the stock exhaust pipe in there. Did you T into the stock pipe.

I dropped by a turbo shop and the guy killed my buzz saying how this is way to small and how dieseldude is defying the law of physics blah blah blah. I'm going to have to shop around for another place to make my intake fittings.

Thanks for the OIL line tips. I'll see what I can do.

crushers · 03-14-05, 06:10 PM

humm, so the waste gate is internal, right? if so what boost are you running max?
cheers

fjbj40 · 03-14-05, 06:18 PM

the smaller turbo only presents a problem if you were to run lots of boost , 10 + psi , for high rpm extended periods of time . In the 3b application it is probably fine because most of us are not driving like that . As a small point of thermal importance , which some people will argue , is the smaller turbo will produce a little more heat than a larger one and this will help improve the combustion process ( diesel applications only ). The smaller turbo will help off boost performance and low threshold boost performance for trail use .
Daryl

cruiser_guy · 03-14-05, 06:19 PM

Wayne,

That's where AXT put's it and that's where mine is. So far no problems with the altenator/vacuum pump or turbo. My oil pressure line is much smaller in diameter than the discharge line on the turbo.

fjbj40 · 03-14-05, 06:31 PM

a rule of thumb is all scavage return lines should be a minimum of 2 times the pressure feed line with ideal being 4 times the size ( overkill imop ).
Daryl

Diesel Dude · 03-14-05, 06:44 PM

This picture shows how I did all of my intake tubing. I have a total of about $30.00 in my intake system. Between the Turbo and the intake is a 2" exhaust pipe expaneded at the intake end to 2.5" and has a 45 degree bend in the middle The filter to Turbo consists of 2.25" pipe expanded at the intake side to 2.5" and compressed at the Turbo side to 2". I believe this is a good system however offroad I think the air filter may not work so well in wet conditions. Thanks for the heads up wayne about the drain I looked at your idea of tapping into the valve cover but on this application that just wont work. I also agree that the Turbo is small but it I believe that like fjbj40 says if you are running high boost numbers you may have a problem with over spinning the Turbo. I didnt tap into the stock exhaust I just havnt had the urge to cut the old exhaust system out. I ran 2.25" exhaust with no muffler outside of the fram rails and it exits just in front of the passenger tire, this allowed me to go with a cheap exahust and it is still higher than the frame rails.

crushers · 03-14-05, 07:05 PM

suggestion,
can you not bring the air from the original air box?

when i mentioned a drain above the oil line i was meaning into the oil pan itself, although i have run one into the tappet cover.

as for the AXT kit being returned into the same fitting as the vacumn return, i do not agree with it. it makes it easy but i think it is restrictive...
if it works and you do not need to drop that messy oil pan, then great but i think it was so they could sell a kit that was a bolt on...
just my opinion so please ignore.
cheers

Diesel Dude · 03-14-05, 07:08 PM

I think I tried every combitntion to use the stock air box but the metal tube coming off of it was just too long if i ran it forward and put a 180 in it it would work but then the hood wouldnt close so i kinda had to do this. I think I am going to take you advice though Wayne and run the drain line to the drain pan cause I was kind of worried about this set up when I did it.

crushers · 03-14-05, 07:22 PM

can i get you to swing the truck by? maybe if we put our heads together we can come up with the air box solution...
cheers

wesintl · 03-14-05, 07:41 PM

Todd, Any chance of a repo on the Turbo to intake piece to make it easy for me?

Let me know if you guys look into draining to the pan. It'd be easy enough to dump it there but like wayne said I'd have to pull the pan.

I need to devise a way to run from the stock air box but that shouldn't be that hard.

crushers · 03-14-05, 07:54 PM

how about a snorkle with a proper filter at the top? you could do it with 3" exhaust and make an adapter to the top. run the pipe along the fender to the front of the skirt and enter there in front of the drivers battery and over to the inlet of the turbo. if you get a bit creative with the air box then it could give the truck the true outback Aussi or African look...
just dreaming probably
Wayne

03-10-05, 10:46 AM	#62
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	Sweet, I was hoping more of us would stink the place up. I can't wait to see that ragtop you lucky sob If any of you all are going to be out there earlier I'll be in moab fri or sat and might be wheeling around hanksville and the roost area before that. __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound Real Change is here --> Cato Institute

03-12-05, 04:28 PM	#64
lumpy70 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Calgary Posts: 421	both on ebay and on turbochargers.com, I don't find any tc05, lot's of td05's though. I dunno, maybe my brain is fried. Craig. __________________ Sadly no longer owning a 70 1993 HDJ81 TLCA # 13682

03-12-05, 07:28 PM	#65
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	It's a dodge, but I think mitsu may have made the engine as it is diesel. D-50 2.3L APPLICATION: MY82-83 Turbo Model OEM # Turbo # Cartridge # Repair Kit # TC05-10A-4CM2 MD075015 49168-01500 49168-08020 49168-84100 APPLICATION: MY84-86 Turbo Model OEM # Turbo # Cartridge # Repair Kit # TC04-09B-4CM2 MD083373 49177-01020 49177-08040 49177-80400 __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound Real Change is here --> Cato Institute

03-13-05, 02:37 PM	#66
cruiser_guy IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mixco, Guatemala/Cranbrook & Vancouver, B.C., Canada TLCA# 16387 Posts: 7,362	I'd be a little concerned that the turbo will be too small for the 3B as it's designed for a 2.3L diesel. If it was a 2.3L gas there would be no problem. Is the 2.3L Mitsubushi diesel a high reving diesel or is it the usual +/- 3000rpm red line? If the Mitsubushi diesel revs up to 4000 - 5000rpm then maybe all will be well. The 2.2L gas turbo's work on the 3.4L 3B because the 2.2L gasser donors rev higher not because ANY 2.3L turbo is right for the 3B. It's a factor of how much air passes through the turbo. __________________ '82 BJ60 H55 tranny, AXT turbo 3B diesel, high nickel alloy head, A/C, BDS lift, factory PTO, Aussie rear locker, OEM LSD front, 4:11's, 32's, PERFECT frame! '76 FJ55, 3B turbo, alloy head, H41 tranny, 3 sp. transfer, 33's, A/C, PTO winch, long range tank! '67 FJ45LV shop project c/w 3B turbo diesel transplant & H41 4 speed, 3 speed transfer, PTO! www.wirrell.com

03-13-05, 04:45 PM	#67
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	i have a little turbo on the mitsubishi Jeep 2.7 and that sucker hauls, i realise the 3.4 is a bit bigger but in the past i ran a 2.4 turbo on a 3.4 and around the city the engine just hauled... i never had it long enough to try it on the highway... cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

03-13-05, 11:53 PM	#68
Diesel Dude IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Calgary TLCA# 11470 Posts: 154	I had my 3B with the mitsubishi TC-05 Turbo up to 100mph today for a few seconds. Post Turbo pyro was at 800 degrees boost was at 13psi didnt seem to be restricted or anything by the Turbo. __________________ 1982 BJ-42 TURBO 98 Dodge neon R/T

03-14-05, 12:33 AM	#69
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	cool, congrates. bring it by and let me go for a boot... ;^) __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

03-14-05, 01:35 PM	#71
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	My fun has arrived Attached Images __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound Real Change is here --> Cato Institute

03-14-05, 01:42 PM	#72
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	Where do I hook into for oil flow into the turbo? And where should the exiting oil go to? Dieseldude, do you have an after pic that you can send me? __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound Real Change is here --> Cato Institute

03-14-05, 04:09 PM	#74
Diesel Dude IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Calgary TLCA# 11470 Posts: 154	Here are some pictures that show where I ran my lines. The blue line is the return line it drains where the alternator vac pump drains and the steel braided line shows where my pressure input line is Tee-d off of the oil pressure sender. I still have a little clean up work to do on the intake, the oil on the top of the filter is just where I cracked the line to make sure it was draining properly. Attached Images __________________ 1982 BJ-42 TURBO 98 Dodge neon R/T

03-14-05, 04:14 PM	#75
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	is the return line have enough flow? the oil return is gravity fed and if the oil backs up then the bearings get starved of oil... when i offered this a suggestion an earlier conversion i was told not to use that position for that exact fear... but if it working then that makes for a clean set up... cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

03-14-05, 04:19 PM	#76
Diesel Dude IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Calgary TLCA# 11470 Posts: 154	The bolt I made for the drain has huge holes in it and I used an oversized eye as well the silicon hose is no where near flat anywhere. But just curious where do some of you other guys run you drain lines to? __________________ 1982 BJ-42 TURBO 98 Dodge neon R/T

03-14-05, 04:57 PM	#77
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	sounds like a good setup but you did use the same tapping into the block? or did you oversize it... the reason i ask is i suspect that might be some of the reason for the vacumn pump failures might be from a oil return restriction... i have no proof what so ever for this "feeling"... i have just seen a LOT of pump failures over the years and am curious if the splines are ripped off because of poor circulation... cheers please do not take this as a slam on your design i think it is a very clean setup, one of the best i have seen. __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

03-14-05, 05:43 PM	#78
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	I see you still have the stock exhaust pipe in there. Did you T into the stock pipe. I dropped by a turbo shop and the guy killed my buzz saying how this is way to small and how dieseldude is defying the law of physics blah blah blah. I'm going to have to shop around for another place to make my intake fittings. Thanks for the OIL line tips. I'll see what I can do. __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound Real Change is here --> Cato Institute

03-14-05, 06:10 PM	#79
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	humm, so the waste gate is internal, right? if so what boost are you running max? cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

03-14-05, 06:18 PM	#80
fjbj40 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: east coast Canada Posts: 369	the smaller turbo only presents a problem if you were to run lots of boost , 10 + psi , for high rpm extended periods of time . In the 3b application it is probably fine because most of us are not driving like that . As a small point of thermal importance , which some people will argue , is the smaller turbo will produce a little more heat than a larger one and this will help improve the combustion process ( diesel applications only ). The smaller turbo will help off boost performance and low threshold boost performance for trail use . Daryl __________________ 74 fj/bj40 88 fj/bj62 , full OME lift kit , home brew turbo , 4 runner brakes .

03-14-05, 06:19 PM	#81
cruiser_guy IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mixco, Guatemala/Cranbrook & Vancouver, B.C., Canada TLCA# 16387 Posts: 7,362	Wayne, That's where AXT put's it and that's where mine is. So far no problems with the altenator/vacuum pump or turbo. My oil pressure line is much smaller in diameter than the discharge line on the turbo. __________________ '82 BJ60 H55 tranny, AXT turbo 3B diesel, high nickel alloy head, A/C, BDS lift, factory PTO, Aussie rear locker, OEM LSD front, 4:11's, 32's, PERFECT frame! '76 FJ55, 3B turbo, alloy head, H41 tranny, 3 sp. transfer, 33's, A/C, PTO winch, long range tank! '67 FJ45LV shop project c/w 3B turbo diesel transplant & H41 4 speed, 3 speed transfer, PTO! www.wirrell.com

03-14-05, 06:31 PM	#82
fjbj40 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: east coast Canada Posts: 369	a rule of thumb is all scavage return lines should be a minimum of 2 times the pressure feed line with ideal being 4 times the size ( overkill imop ). Daryl __________________ 74 fj/bj40 88 fj/bj62 , full OME lift kit , home brew turbo , 4 runner brakes .

03-14-05, 06:44 PM	#83
Diesel Dude IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Calgary TLCA# 11470 Posts: 154	This picture shows how I did all of my intake tubing. I have a total of about $30.00 in my intake system. Between the Turbo and the intake is a 2" exhaust pipe expaneded at the intake end to 2.5" and has a 45 degree bend in the middle The filter to Turbo consists of 2.25" pipe expanded at the intake side to 2.5" and compressed at the Turbo side to 2". I believe this is a good system however offroad I think the air filter may not work so well in wet conditions. Thanks for the heads up wayne about the drain I looked at your idea of tapping into the valve cover but on this application that just wont work. I also agree that the Turbo is small but it I believe that like fjbj40 says if you are running high boost numbers you may have a problem with over spinning the Turbo. I didnt tap into the stock exhaust I just havnt had the urge to cut the old exhaust system out. I ran 2.25" exhaust with no muffler outside of the fram rails and it exits just in front of the passenger tire, this allowed me to go with a cheap exahust and it is still higher than the frame rails. Attached Images __________________ 1982 BJ-42 TURBO 98 Dodge neon R/T

03-14-05, 07:05 PM	#84
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	suggestion, can you not bring the air from the original air box? when i mentioned a drain above the oil line i was meaning into the oil pan itself, although i have run one into the tappet cover. as for the AXT kit being returned into the same fitting as the vacumn return, i do not agree with it. it makes it easy but i think it is restrictive... if it works and you do not need to drop that messy oil pan, then great but i think it was so they could sell a kit that was a bolt on... just my opinion so please ignore. cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

03-14-05, 07:08 PM	#85
Diesel Dude IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Calgary TLCA# 11470 Posts: 154	I think I tried every combitntion to use the stock air box but the metal tube coming off of it was just too long if i ran it forward and put a 180 in it it would work but then the hood wouldnt close so i kinda had to do this. I think I am going to take you advice though Wayne and run the drain line to the drain pan cause I was kind of worried about this set up when I did it. __________________ 1982 BJ-42 TURBO 98 Dodge neon R/T

03-14-05, 07:22 PM	#86
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	can i get you to swing the truck by? maybe if we put our heads together we can come up with the air box solution... cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

03-14-05, 07:41 PM	#87
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	Todd, Any chance of a repo on the Turbo to intake piece to make it easy for me? Let me know if you guys look into draining to the pan. It'd be easy enough to dump it there but like wayne said I'd have to pull the pan. I need to devise a way to run from the stock air box but that shouldn't be that hard. __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound Real Change is here --> Cato Institute

03-14-05, 07:54 PM	#88
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	how about a snorkle with a proper filter at the top? you could do it with 3" exhaust and make an adapter to the top. run the pipe along the fender to the front of the skirt and enter there in front of the drivers battery and over to the inlet of the turbo. if you get a bit creative with the air box then it could give the truck the true outback Aussi or African look... just dreaming probably Wayne