Turbo Position - Page 2

tlcruiserman · 03-05-05, 04:33 PM

I would think if you are not running coolent than you really would want to run a tubo timer. All of these combinations work, however I have to wonder what the real efficiency is on these. Seems like the answer is efficient enough huh?

Michael

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Originally Posted by Diesel Dude

Knew to this forum... THE FORUM ROCKS>> >>> The turbo information is good. I recently installed a Turbo on my BJ-42. It bolted right on to the manifold. No modification. The turbo came from an mid 80's Dodge D-50 diesel. I am boosting a safe 10 pounds and everything seems to run smoothly. This is a mitsubishi turbo however unlike the 2.2L mitsubishi gas turbos no coolant is required to be run through this turbo. A major bonus. With a diesel there is no need to run the coolant through the turbo so that is one less step to do the whole thing took about a day.

lumpy70 · 03-05-05, 06:31 PM

I've been pondering this non-cooled turbo thing lately. Yes a turbo timer would be the best, but since trhe 3B has an oil cooler, won't the oil be the same temp as the coolant anyway?

Just a thought,
Craig.

Diesel Dude · 03-05-05, 11:41 PM

It is very important to let your oil cool down the bearings in the turbo no matter what. I dont have a problem letting my vehicle idle for a few seconds after I have been working it hard. No cummins has a watercooled turbo and many people are running these turbos at 35 psi. I have seen coolant in a turbo'd engine which has obviously been boiled by the turbo and it is then less efficent in your engine. Water cooled turbos are only really used on gas engines where extreme temperatures are present at the turbo. The turbo timers sound like a good idea. You need to keep in mind that with or with out a water cooled turbo you must leave the vehicle idle for a few seconds before shut down.

dieseldog · 03-06-05, 12:43 AM

Diesel Dude, have you got a picture of the turbo from the Dodge D-50? Would love to see it.

Diesel Dude · 03-06-05, 11:14 AM

I have a picture but i dont have a clue how to post it, I would be glad to email it or if some one can tell me how to post it I will.

Diescipel · 03-06-05, 11:24 AM

Hit "Post Reply", then type message, then scroll down to "manage attachments", proceed.

B

Diesel Dude · 03-06-05, 11:26 AM

I tried that butit wont let me upload the image for some reason it is for sure the right formatt so I am cluless.

crushers · 03-06-05, 11:27 AM

make sure the pics are small enough...

wesintl · 03-06-05, 12:28 PM

pics need to be 800x800 or smaller and I think less than 90KB. If you want to send them to me I'll post em for you. wesw71@aol.com

Diesel Dude · 03-06-05, 12:49 PM

I'll take some new pictures the ones I have are 5megapixel so they are much bigger than that.

Diesel Dude · 03-06-05, 01:10 PM

Okay I got it.

brownbear · 03-06-05, 01:14 PM

Hard to tell in the pic, is it a flipped manifold set up? How plentiful are these turbos in wreaking yards or availible elsewhere. I don't even know if I have heard of Diesel D-50. Seen the gas ones running around. There couldn't have been too many off them.

Diesel Dude · 03-06-05, 01:18 PM

The manifold is flipped upside down, I am not sure about the avaiablity I got this one from one of my buddies who owns a auotwreaker as a gift. I checked into rebuilding it when I got it and I do know that the rebuild kit was not hard to find.

crushers · 03-06-05, 01:36 PM

how is the performance? it looks like a clean setup, congrates...

Diesel Dude · 03-07-05, 09:41 AM

The performance is a huge improvment over stock, well worth the hundred dollars it cost me too install.. I dont have any bases for comparision since I have never really been around any other turbo'd 3B's.

Island Moose · 03-07-05, 10:47 AM

Wouldn't this turbo have been used on a 6.3L engine...how does the 3.4L 3B even spool it up?

Diesel Dude · 03-07-05, 01:17 PM

No this Turbo is out of the D-50(like and s10 or older dakota) not the fullsized truck. I drove this truck when it still ran and i noticed it seemed to have a bit of lag, since it was a smaller motor than the 3B I took a chance and thought it might work. The Turbo spools quite quickly and does not seem to restrict in the higher rpms.

crushers · 03-07-05, 02:51 PM

fantastic, congrates on a clean install...
thanks for the information.
cheers

David*BJ70 · 03-07-05, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lumpy70

Jzilla,
No that isn't a flange I welded on, that is the stock Toyota surface. I very strongly believe (99% sure) that a CT26 from an MR2 (not, repeat NOT FROM A SUPRA) would bolt right up to that manifold, as Toyota likes to make many of their parts fit one another.

You (or anyone else) are looking for the CT26 from an MR2 or Celica. Whichever car had the 3GTSE engine.

Craig.

Just came back from the junk yard... and the CT26 I found from MR2 have a 4 bolts pattern and the 3B manifold have 3 bolts ??

3GTSE = what model/year ?

Some one can post some pics of there CT26 turbo... on or not on the manifold.

And if I flip the manifold from my 3B engine do ya think I have enought place under my BJ70 hood ? Some one already do that ?

David*BJ70 · 03-07-05, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diesel Dude

Knew to this forum... THE FORUM ROCKS>> >>> The turbo information is good. I recently installed a Turbo on my BJ-42. It bolted right on to the manifold. No modification. The turbo came from an mid 80's Dodge D-50 diesel. I am boosting a safe 10 pounds and everything seems to run smoothly. This is a mitsubishi turbo however unlike the 2.2L mitsubishi gas turbos no coolant is required to be run through this turbo. A major bonus. With a diesel there is no need to run the coolant through the turbo so that is one less step to do the whole thing took about a day.

So you just flip the manifold ?

the D-50 turbo have a 3 bolts pattern ?

David*BJ70 · 03-07-05, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lumpy70

I'm in the process of putting a 13B-T manifold (from G & S Cruiserparts) onto my 3B with a junkyard turbo (Chrysler Lebaron). The only hard part is that there is some fabrication needed to adapt the mounting surfaces. All told I'm in for about $600. I'll post as it comes along.

Craig.

How much for the 13B-T manifold from G&S ?

And Radd : how much for the Denco manifold ?

David*BJ70 · 03-07-05, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cruiser_guy

My oil supply comes from the altenator/vacuum pump and returns to the oil pressure port. .

so your return line go at the place of the oil sending pres. unit ?

Diesel Dude · 03-07-05, 05:48 PM

I just fliiped the manifold and the D-50 Turbo dropped into place it has the exact same 3 bolt pattern as the 3B.

wesintl · 03-09-05, 04:44 PM

Call me crazy but I just bought one of these turbos.

2.3L 143CID L4 SOHC diesel.

For the price I'll have into the whole setup and my badly, badly needing one here at altitude I couldn't pass it up.

Hopefully it's in good shape. I get the manifold to a foot out from the exhaust.

Rebuild kit #?

crushers · 03-09-05, 05:15 PM

congrates ...
let us know how it goes...

crushers · 03-09-05, 05:20 PM

hey wes, can i get a part no. (should be stamped or a tag on the side of it) from that turbo?
cheers

wesintl · 03-09-05, 05:46 PM

Yep.. I'll let you know when I get and and I'll snap some good photos for all. I'll hopefully be able to get a feel compared to Brett's AXT out in Moab or anyone else with a 3B turbo there. I'm wondering what the fan ratios are. I don't really care about low end spool as I need highway spool

I'll probably have double the turbo cost into a gauge

Diesel Dude · 03-09-05, 06:15 PM

Mine is a TC-05 mitsubishi, part no. 49168-01200. I just found this info on Turbo Chargers.com TC05-10A-4CM2 OEM # MD075015 Turbo# 49168-01500 Cartridge # 49168-08020 Repairkit#49168-84100

crushers · 03-09-05, 06:26 PM

thanks diesel dude...

wesintl · 03-09-05, 07:57 PM

Thanks much dieseldude. I do believe mine is a mistu unit out of an '85 I'll know maybe friday most likely monday.. it'll be a long weekend.

03-05-05, 06:31 PM	#32
lumpy70 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Calgary Posts: 421	I've been pondering this non-cooled turbo thing lately. Yes a turbo timer would be the best, but since trhe 3B has an oil cooler, won't the oil be the same temp as the coolant anyway? Just a thought, Craig. __________________ Sadly no longer owning a 70 1993 HDJ81 TLCA # 13682

03-05-05, 11:41 PM	#33
Diesel Dude IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Calgary TLCA# 11470 Posts: 154	It is very important to let your oil cool down the bearings in the turbo no matter what. I dont have a problem letting my vehicle idle for a few seconds after I have been working it hard. No cummins has a watercooled turbo and many people are running these turbos at 35 psi. I have seen coolant in a turbo'd engine which has obviously been boiled by the turbo and it is then less efficent in your engine. Water cooled turbos are only really used on gas engines where extreme temperatures are present at the turbo. The turbo timers sound like a good idea. You need to keep in mind that with or with out a water cooled turbo you must leave the vehicle idle for a few seconds before shut down. Last edited by Diesel Dude; 03-05-05 at 11:49 PM.

03-06-05, 11:24 AM	#36
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03-06-05, 11:27 AM	#38
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	make sure the pics are small enough... __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

03-06-05, 12:28 PM	#39
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	pics need to be 800x800 or smaller and I think less than 90KB. If you want to send them to me I'll post em for you. wesw71@aol.com __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound Real Change is here --> Cato Institute

03-06-05, 11:14 AM	#35
Diesel Dude IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Calgary TLCA# 11470 Posts: 154	I have a picture but i dont have a clue how to post it, I would be glad to email it or if some one can tell me how to post it I will.

03-06-05, 11:26 AM	#37
Diesel Dude IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Calgary TLCA# 11470 Posts: 154	I tried that butit wont let me upload the image for some reason it is for sure the right formatt so I am cluless.

03-06-05, 12:49 PM	#40
Diesel Dude IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Calgary TLCA# 11470 Posts: 154	I'll take some new pictures the ones I have are 5megapixel so they are much bigger than that.

03-06-05, 01:10 PM	#41
Diesel Dude IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Calgary TLCA# 11470 Posts: 154	Okay I got it. Attached Images

03-06-05, 01:14 PM	#42
brownbear Mod in Hibernation Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Where diesels purr and turbos whine TLCA# 15584 Posts: 6,183	Hard to tell in the pic, is it a flipped manifold set up? How plentiful are these turbos in wreaking yards or availible elsewhere. I don't even know if I have heard of Diesel D-50. Seen the gas ones running around. There couldn't have been too many off them. __________________ -84 BJ60, Finally on the FN road! -91 FJ80, wife's ride Iron Butt award winner of the Cruise Moab 08 !

03-06-05, 01:18 PM	#43
Diesel Dude IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Calgary TLCA# 11470 Posts: 154	The manifold is flipped upside down, I am not sure about the avaiablity I got this one from one of my buddies who owns a auotwreaker as a gift. I checked into rebuilding it when I got it and I do know that the rebuild kit was not hard to find. Last edited by Diesel Dude; 03-10-05 at 12:20 PM.

03-06-05, 01:36 PM	#44
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	how is the performance? it looks like a clean setup, congrates... __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

03-07-05, 09:41 AM	#45
Diesel Dude IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Calgary TLCA# 11470 Posts: 154	The performance is a huge improvment over stock, well worth the hundred dollars it cost me too install.. I dont have any bases for comparision since I have never really been around any other turbo'd 3B's.

03-07-05, 10:47 AM	#46
Island Moose IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Auckland NZ via Vancouver Island Canada Posts: 818	Wouldn't this turbo have been used on a 6.3L engine...how does the 3.4L 3B even spool it up? __________________ MOOSE SOLD HER - SOMEDAY SOON JDM's...THEY SAVED THE BEST FOR THEMSELVES!!

03-07-05, 01:17 PM	#47
Diesel Dude IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Calgary TLCA# 11470 Posts: 154	No this Turbo is out of the D-50(like and s10 or older dakota) not the fullsized truck. I drove this truck when it still ran and i noticed it seemed to have a bit of lag, since it was a smaller motor than the 3B I took a chance and thought it might work. The Turbo spools quite quickly and does not seem to restrict in the higher rpms.

03-07-05, 02:51 PM	#48
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	fantastic, congrates on a clean install... thanks for the information. cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

03-07-05, 05:48 PM	#53
Diesel Dude IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Calgary TLCA# 11470 Posts: 154	I just fliiped the manifold and the D-50 Turbo dropped into place it has the exact same 3 bolt pattern as the 3B.

03-09-05, 04:44 PM	#54
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	Call me crazy but I just bought one of these turbos. 2.3L 143CID L4 SOHC diesel. For the price I'll have into the whole setup and my badly, badly needing one here at altitude I couldn't pass it up. Hopefully it's in good shape. I get the manifold to a foot out from the exhaust. Rebuild kit #? __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound Real Change is here --> Cato Institute

03-09-05, 05:15 PM	#55
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	congrates ... let us know how it goes... __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

03-09-05, 05:20 PM	#56
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	hey wes, can i get a part no. (should be stamped or a tag on the side of it) from that turbo? cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

03-09-05, 05:46 PM	#57
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	Yep.. I'll let you know when I get and and I'll snap some good photos for all. I'll hopefully be able to get a feel compared to Brett's AXT out in Moab or anyone else with a 3B turbo there. I'm wondering what the fan ratios are. I don't really care about low end spool as I need highway spool I'll probably have double the turbo cost into a gauge __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car Rising Sun; Former CLCC You should be able to delete your own thread. Communists abound Real Change is here --> Cato Institute Last edited by wesintl; 03-09-05 at 05:59 PM.

03-09-05, 06:15 PM	#58
Diesel Dude IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Calgary TLCA# 11470 Posts: 154	Mine is a TC-05 mitsubishi, part no. 49168-01200. I just found this info on Turbo Chargers.com TC05-10A-4CM2 OEM # MD075015 Turbo# 49168-01500 Cartridge # 49168-08020 Repairkit#49168-84100 Last edited by Diesel Dude; 03-09-05 at 06:33 PM.

03-09-05, 06:26 PM	#59
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	thanks diesel dude... __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

03-09-05, 07:57 PM	#60
wesintl IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denver TLCA# 4180 Posts: 3,586	Thanks much dieseldude. I do believe mine is a mistu unit out of an '85 I'll know maybe friday most likely monday.. it'll be a long weekend. __________________ 1964 FJ40 \| 1966 M416 \| 1976 FJ40 \| 1985 BJ70 Volvo Power\| 1997 FZJ80 \| TDI commuter car