Glow Issues

lostmarbles · 11-03-09, 07:48 PM

I think I'd just take this "localised heating" as further evidence that the 6V plugs are drawing too much current then Owenjam.

Probably best to go back to 10.5V plugs (but new ones of a reputable brand) and see if you can still feel heat there with your fingers. (I suspect not...)

And if (with the 10.5V plugs) you can measure around 10.5V or more at the busbar while you're glowing - then they should all be glowing well enough after 15 to 20 seconds for your engine to fire up properly on a cold morning.

that's the way I see it anyway.

PS. Which do you call No.1? I'd expect the most heat at No.4 (closest to firewall) because this is where the power-lead attaches to the busbar.

Henry James the 47th · 11-03-09, 08:12 PM

I'm with you 100% Tom on the 6v glow plugs- they are meant for use in a system where an automatic timer activates them, they get super hot immediately, and the glow cycle is done is 2~3 seconds on average. Trying to run such plugs on a manual set up is asking for a burned out plugs - a bit risky if you ask me.

I can't account for the anomalous results that Rufus is getting using the 6v. plugs in a manual set-up with a glow controller, but he did mention that his wiring is a bit of a hodgepodge, so exactly what is going on might not be so obvious, however I'd say he's lucky at least, or has unerring timing, to have not cooked his plugs by now.

8.5 v plugs are correct for set ups with a glow controller. 10.5 volts without the controller. That's for the 2H anyhow, and the 3B seems to be the same. I know there were 8v. plugs in some early trucks.

owenjam · 11-03-09, 09:37 PM

Thanks fellas, Henry and Lostmarbles have answerd lots of my 3B quesitons over the last year. Of the several glow plug brands out there, what do suggest. Factory Toyota will cost me $37 each, take about 2 weeks to get. Guys on Ebay sell various brands anywhere from $49 to $120 usd for a set of 4. I have crossed part #s with local parts suppliers and they can not order the NGK, Nippo, or Bosch. I will have to order online or go with Toyo brand, what say you guys?

RufusTheDufus · 11-03-09, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Henry James the 47th

I can't account for the anomalous results that Rufus is getting using the 6v. plugs in a manual set-up with a glow controller, but he did mention that his wiring is a bit of a hodgepodge, so exactly what is going on might not be so obvious, however I'd say he's lucky at least, or has unerring timing, to have not cooked his plugs by now.

I'd like to be able to explain it. I'd also like to know why the 8.5v plugs nearly smoked my wires. It doesn't make any sense.

Can glow plugs internally short yet still test correctly with a digital ohm meter?

lostmarbles · 11-04-09, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by owenjam

..Of the several glow plug brands out there, what do suggest. Factory Toyota will cost me $37 each, take about 2 weeks to get. Guys on Ebay sell various brands anywhere from $49 to $120 usd for a set of 4. I have crossed part #s with local parts suppliers and they can not order the NGK, Nippo, or Bosch. I will have to order online or go with Toyo brand, what say you guys?

HKT is a Japanese brand that I use and have had no trouble with Owenjam.

Other choices of brands are JKT, EIKO, MAY, APS etc - but I haven't tried them myself and I'm not sure where they're made.

If you can get your hands on Champion plugs - that's another brand that has been in the automotive business for a long time so it should be OK.

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Originally Posted by RufusTheDufus

.... Can glow plugs internally short yet still test correctly with a digital ohm meter?

Possible I guess Rufus. .....I don't bother measuring their actual resistance because I know they'll be low and I feel the "cold figures" are likely to be vastly different to the "hot figures" anyway. (As I think you alluded to before.) So up till now I have been regarding a "good plug" as one that simply "has continuity". Thus one that is faulty by being "internally shorted" would have been declared "good" by me

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herbs · 11-04-09, 06:40 AM

For 8.5 volt plugs, try these part numbers:
HKT - PT104
TOYOTA - 19850-68030
NGK - Y-128T
EIKO - GT208
BOSCH - GPT208
CHAMPION - CH121

Not sure on the part no. for VSP glow plugs though.

owenjam · 11-04-09, 09:33 AM

I will order the 10.5v plugs to replace the 6v in now, but it did fix my problem. This morning the truck fired right up after 7 sec glow with 0 smoke, not even a small puff. Amazing what properly working glow plugs can do. Thanks for all advice, parts #s etc......

ukaviator · 11-04-09, 04:59 PM

Hi Owen, been reading your posts on this thread.
Pleased to hear your problems seems solved. I have new 10.5v plugs on the way so if that doesnt clear up the problem I may try your route.
Keep us updated on the trucks progress. Im out of town at the moment, but as soon as I get the new plugs in I will report back

What brand of 6v plugs did you go with in the end, and where did you get them?

Dan

owenjam · 11-04-09, 07:41 PM

Dan, back before I even had my 3B installed I bought any parts I found on Ebay that matched a BJ60. These are Beck Arnley 6v plugs really designed for the "Super Glow" system some trucks came with from the factory. I am going to use these until I get some 10.5v shipped in. I had 2 bad glow plugs and that was my problem. the 10.5v worked fine right after the install, but somewhere along the way I fried 2 of them. I changed glow relays back in February, I think that may have been when it occured. Good luck and report back when those plugs come in, I assume you bought the ones from the Aussie Ebay link you posted in the other thread, correct? BTW next time I am in Nashville buying cars I would love to take your rig for a spin with that turbo!!! Might get me to install my turbo.

owenjam · 11-04-09, 08:15 PM

This is a Glow Plug Timer from SOR I found, anyone bought this thing or know someone who has??? POS??
Part#
038-060B

ukaviator · 11-05-09, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by owenjam

Dan, back before I even had my 3B installed I bought any parts I found on Ebay that matched a BJ60. These are Beck Arnley 6v plugs really designed for the "Super Glow" system some trucks came with from the factory. I am going to use these until I get some 10.5v shipped in. I had 2 bad glow plugs and that was my problem. the 10.5v worked fine right after the install, but somewhere along the way I fried 2 of them. I changed glow relays back in February, I think that may have been when it occured. Good luck and report back when those plugs come in, I assume you bought the ones from the Aussie Ebay link you posted in the other thread, correct? BTW next time I am in Nashville buying cars I would love to take your rig for a spin with that turbo!!! Might get me to install my turbo.

Hey Owen, yeah i did end up buying those ones from Australia, I'll let you know how they do.
The turbo i have on my truck according to the guys on this board is WAY to big, hence the turbo doesnt really start to kick in until im at highway speeds and even then with the wastegate closed im only pushing about 7lbs of boost.
So as an early Xmas gift to myslef (

), I have a Garrett 2052 on the way, which after many hours of research seems to be perfect for the 3B.
If you find yourself in the Nashville area, shoot me an email and we'll meet up

owenjam · 11-05-09, 08:26 AM

I am in Nashville 2 or more times each month at the Manheim auction in Mt. Juliet. Usually head to Nash Tuesday afternoons from Chattanooga Auto Auction. I will give you a shout next time I hit the road.

RufusTheDufus · 11-05-09, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by owenjam

This is a Glow Plug Timer from SOR I found, anyone bought this thing or know someone who has???

I thought about buying one specifically for the afterglow feature. I may end up getting one now that I've been reminded that they exist.

owenjam · 11-05-09, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RufusTheDufus

I thought about buying one specifically for the afterglow feature. I may end up getting one now that I've been reminded that they exist.

Seems like a good value to have the afterglow function built in. I bought a cheap system off Ebay that did not even survive the install, but this one from SOR looks decent.

ukaviator · 11-13-09, 08:06 AM

OK guys, just finished installing my new VSP 10.5v glow plugs.
Glowed for about 15 seconds and still smoke

Just to recap .... she smokes only the first start of the day as seen in this video:

YouTube - MOV06486

Where should I proceed from here?

Dan

owenjam · 11-13-09, 08:11 AM

Have checked the tip of each plug with a test light or volt meter to make sure its getting power to the plugs? I still think you have a glow problem since our trucks did the same thing.

ukaviator · 11-13-09, 08:34 AM

Here is a pic of the plugs I installed ... sorry for the low res - taken with my phone

Checked each plug for continuity and they all check out OK

ukaviator · 11-13-09, 08:42 AM

try this again ... plcture here

owenjam · 11-13-09, 08:17 PM

Continuity is one thing, but have you had someone else hit the glow button in truck while you check each plug for power?

We-Cruz · 11-17-09, 10:48 PM

Been following thread with particular interest. I to suffer from the "smokey starts" syndrome.

I decided to pull the plugs and check for continuity when I noticed something strange... 3 plugs were 14 Volt and 1 was a 20.5 Volt plug!!! Continuity was good on all plugs.
I do believe the 20.5 volt is the proper plug for my truck - how did the 14 volts survive? New plugs will be next order of business!

I have the SuperGlow system with intial click producing 22-23 Volts for 5 - 10 seconds and then drops to 12 volts or so 20 seconds.

Thanks for the good reading!

kim · 11-17-09, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by We-Cruz

Been following thread with particular interest. I to suffer from the "smokey starts" syndrome.

I decided to pull the plugs and check for continuity when I noticed something strange... 3 plugs were 14 Volt and 1 was a 20.5 Volt plug!!! Continuity was good on all plugs.
I do believe the 20.5 volt is the proper plug for my truck - how did the 14 volts survive? New plugs will be next order of business!

I have the SuperGlow system with intial click producing 22-23 Volts for 5 - 10 seconds and then drops to 12 volts or so 20 seconds.

Thanks for the good reading!

I have several 24 volt trucks, all HJ60's, and 14.4v are the ones that are supposed to be there for the superglow system. From what I have tested, 24 v is delivered for about 5-6 seconds then the timer kicks and you have 12 v for the next 20 seconds.

I don't know if your BJ42 is the same system though.