Disappointing fuel economy... - Page 3

crushers · 07-05-05, 02:47 PM

did you not know the ratings are for perfect conditions under controled enviroments?
in real life drop the value by at least 25%
cheers

Island Moose · 07-05-05, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crushers

or the consumer could buy one of these with a 2.5 trubo diesel:
http://www.luxuryimports.ca/forsale/...25-1/index.php
cheers

I've seen that model van here on the Island, just north of Duncan. Looks like a Mars Rover.

crushers · 07-05-05, 03:41 PM

yep, there are a few kicking around. there was one in BC a couple weeks back trying to get $12,900 with something like 100,000 on it...
i thought it was a bit on the high side, nice looking unit though...
cheers

silvercrusher · 07-05-05, 05:01 PM

Hey you finally have a pic "nice"

crushers · 07-05-05, 05:37 PM

if you could see up close that big mutt is standing on a stock 40 series running board... quite a feat in itself...

sandcruiser · 12-09-05, 02:22 PM

I just did a test run on mine and got 10.4/100Km (around 22.5 mpg). That is without correcting for the 31x10.50 tires.... so just a little bit better. 88 hj60. mostly stock

sandcruiser · 12-09-05, 02:24 PM

31"x10.5 tires. 88 hj60. 10.4/100km (around 22.5 mpg) with mostly city driving.

nickw · 12-09-05, 02:32 PM

Hello,

With my BJ60 I typically got 9.5 to 10L per 100K.
9.5 driving miss daisy (100kph with light foot)
10L at 110kph with a heavy foot in hills.

That was running 31" BFG AT Tires.
That was also correcting for my speedo/odo being out.

Cheers,
Nick

crushers · 12-09-05, 05:07 PM

the amazing this is the HDT can get 27.6 mpg at 90k/h...
that is better than any 13BT, 12HT, that I have driven...
note, i said THAT I HAVE DRIVEN. other reports might vary.
cheers

cruiser_guy · 12-09-05, 06:34 PM

I have had as many as 900km's on a tank (20 gallons) but that was taking it easy and I was pretty dry when I filled up again.

Island Moose · 12-09-05, 08:50 PM

I get 67mpg on the highway once I get the grappling - hook onto the back of the logging truck I'm drafting....otherwise about 25mpg.

David*BJ70 · 12-09-05, 09:35 PM

w/235-75R15 : 25 US mpg - 9,5l/100km
w/32 : 20 US mpg - 12l/100km

lumpy70 · 12-10-05, 01:35 AM

In my BJ70 before turbo and runing 29"s with 3.7's, I got 8.8 L/100 kms on the highway or 26.5 mpg (US).

With the turbo, and runing 33"s and 4.11's (I go much faster now) I get about 11.25 l/100 kms or 21 mpg (US).

Craig.

roscoFJ73 · 12-10-05, 06:11 AM

Looks like the B engines are the most fuel efficient of the big cruisers.
My 1HZ after 3-4 tanks of diesel is averaging 13-14 litres per 100klms or approx 21 mpg imp of stop start city driving with 5 sp 4.11 and 33s

This is a little conservative as I cant fill up at a bowser due to the old unleaded fuel restriction device on the tank inlet and I believe my odometer is giving me less klms than Im really doing.
The engine is also only 2000klms old so it still has some loosening up to do
Hopefully I will end up with getting 23-24 imp mpg in the city.

Maybe we should all do an accurate reading for all our diesels and put it up as a sticky for future and current diesel heads who want to know "How much fuel will my new diesel banger use?

This would need to include an accurate weight of your vehicle and other factors such as tyre size and transmission/diff ratios engine mods and city/highway cycle.

roscoFJ73 · 12-10-05, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Island Moose

I get 67mpg on the highway once I get the grappling - hook onto the back of the logging truck I'm drafting....otherwise about 25mpg.

You got me on that one Moose

I was about to pound out Bull@&@&@&@& on the keyboard in big letters

seapotato · 12-10-05, 09:41 AM

I havent corrected for tire diameters yet, but last tank I got 560 kms on 67litres, which would be about 8.4 l per 100 kms, but I've got 255 85 16's on it, so my mileage is actually a fair bit better.

what's stock tire diameter on an 87 bj70?

I'm pretty ok with that mileage.

cheers,
ryan

lumpy70 · 12-10-05, 10:12 AM

Calculations and charts and tables and guessing aside, the ONLY way to accurately measure your speedo and odometer is by using a GPS.

Drive at 100 kph on the GPS, and see what your speedo is saying. If it says 105 kph, you are 5% out. Therefore 60 kph indicated is actually 63 kph, and so forth. When you fuel up and look at your odometer, multiply (or divide) your distance on that tank by your percent out and voila...exact numbers.

Sorry if I seem like I'm dumbing this down, but when I hear
"well, I'm running bigger tires, so my mileage is a bit better that what is indicated" it bugs me.

Craig.

Island Moose · 12-10-05, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roscoFJ73

You got me on that one Moose

I was about to pound out Bull@&@&@&@& on the keyboard in big letters

...our logging rigs are nothing like your road trains...

seapotato · 12-10-05, 12:35 PM

thanks . tho considering how windy the roads are here, I don't find my theoretical speed through a @&@&@&@&ing mountain to be all that helpful.

I've done the calculations before, for my other cruiser. this truck, I'm only on my second tank of fuel since buying it, so it's a tad early to be rounding out to the 14th decimal point.

and not to dumb it down for you , but that was a

cheers,
ryan

lumpy70 · 12-10-05, 01:12 PM

No offence was meant, and sorry you chose to take it personally, I was refering to the forum 'in general'.

I just thought others might benefit.

Craig.

mk1pickle · 12-10-05, 03:32 PM

my fuel economy BJ70 stock tires, 4speed, highway 9.5 L/ 100km
city 11 L/100km.
accurate odometer, and im not light on the accelerator so im sure it could be better, my friend that just turboed his bj42 says that his mileage has improved. not sure of the numbers yet

vdubster · 12-10-05, 07:02 PM

23 to 27 mpg imp running 31's,

seapotato · 12-10-05, 07:07 PM

no worries lumpy, I take everything personal before the first cup of coffee....

back to fuel, I get 27-31 mpg in my Bj40 ( 3b, h55, turbo, 411, 255's) made a trip up island a while back and got the best mileage I've ever had, and I was towing a trailer at the time....blew me away.

I figger this bj70 gets a little worse, but it's heavier so I'm ok with that.

cheers,
ryan

Greg_B · 12-15-05, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crushers

the amazing this is the HDT can get 27.6 mpg at 90k/h...
that is better than any 13BT, 12HT, that I have driven...
note, i said THAT I HAVE DRIVEN. other reports might vary.
cheers

Trouble is...ever since getting the 13BT...I don't go 90kmph!

gb

crushers · 12-15-05, 07:51 AM

LOL!!
if you have the power you are going to use it....

common question:
if i add a turbo will my fuel milage be affected...
answer:
read above.

VTCruiser · 12-15-05, 08:18 AM

its amazing how much speed makes a difference, especially in a 60 brick. Usually i got about 75-80mph in the interstates and get about 21mpg. But on a recent trip to URE i drove around 65-70mph on the hwy. Average for the tank was 23mpg, which INCLUDED a full day of wheeling!

Previa Diesel · 03-02-06, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Island Moose

No black smoke at all, so I have to think the injectors must be the problem. Anyone know of any rebuilders on Vancouver Island? Approximate cost if I deliver them in a box?

Wilson & Proctor in Victoria are diesel specialists, mostly fleet and commercial, but they will do injectors etc. They've been around for 70 years + and are great to deal with. Best injector shop on the Island that's for sure.

vdubster · 03-02-06, 05:03 PM

Did anyone notice the new FJ Cruiser with the AT transmission is rated 21 mpg city, 27 highway. This is imperial of course, but that's pretty good for a 4 liter V6 with some balls behind it.
This is around the same fuel mileage as my BJ.

Mike.

kim · 03-06-06, 05:46 PM

I have an 87 HJ60, 2H, H55, stock tires and I get a consistent 25.5 MPG Imperial. The 86 HJ60, 2H, auto gets around 21.5 MPG Imperial. Auto Trannies generally take 20 percent off fuel mileage from my understanding.

For the US folks, subtract 20 percent for MPG US.

crushers · 03-06-06, 06:25 PM

actually with the lock up torque converter the milage difference should be much less...
you might want to do a compression test...
cheers

07-05-05, 02:47 PM	#61
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	did you not know the ratings are for perfect conditions under controled enviroments? in real life drop the value by at least 25% cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

07-05-05, 03:41 PM	#63
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	yep, there are a few kicking around. there was one in BC a couple weeks back trying to get $12,900 with something like 100,000 on it... i thought it was a bit on the high side, nice looking unit though... cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

07-05-05, 05:01 PM	#64
silvercrusher IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: vancouver island Posts: 345	Hey you finally have a pic "nice" Attached Images __________________ "it'll only take a minute to fix" 85 BJ60 all stock so far 03 VW JETTA WAGON TDI

07-05-05, 05:37 PM	#65
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	if you could see up close that big mutt is standing on a stock 40 series running board... quite a feat in itself... __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

12-09-05, 02:22 PM	#66
sandcruiser IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tamarindo, Costa Rica Posts: 1,989	I just did a test run on mine and got 10.4/100Km (around 22.5 mpg). That is without correcting for the 31x10.50 tires.... so just a little bit better. 88 hj60. mostly stock __________________ 91 fj80 w/ 93 1HD-T. OME 850/860 w/ 1" front spacer, LEDs, HIRs, Hankook MT's 31x10.50r15, Tuffy center, ARB rear locker (in progress), in garage: lightforce lights, full rack, superwinch X9, maggiolina tent, hella horns. WTB: Tan DS mirror & housing '88 HJ60, "Louie" For Sale in Costa Rica.

12-09-05, 02:24 PM	#67
sandcruiser IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tamarindo, Costa Rica Posts: 1,989	31"x10.5 tires. 88 hj60. 10.4/100km (around 22.5 mpg) with mostly city driving. __________________ 91 fj80 w/ 93 1HD-T. OME 850/860 w/ 1" front spacer, LEDs, HIRs, Hankook MT's 31x10.50r15, Tuffy center, ARB rear locker (in progress), in garage: lightforce lights, full rack, superwinch X9, maggiolina tent, hella horns. WTB: Tan DS mirror & housing '88 HJ60, "Louie" For Sale in Costa Rica.

12-09-05, 02:32 PM	#68
nickw IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Cranbrook BC Posts: 1,370	Hello, With my BJ60 I typically got 9.5 to 10L per 100K. 9.5 driving miss daisy (100kph with light foot) 10L at 110kph with a heavy foot in hills. That was running 31" BFG AT Tires. That was also correcting for my speedo/odo being out. Cheers, Nick __________________ 1988 BJ74 / Lots of goodies - Sold 1990 HDJ81 / Fully outfitted loaded beautiful truck - Rolled 1985 BJ60 / Beautiful Stock truck - Stolen

12-09-05, 05:07 PM	#69
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	the amazing this is the HDT can get 27.6 mpg at 90k/h... that is better than any 13BT, 12HT, that I have driven... note, i said THAT I HAVE DRIVEN. other reports might vary. cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

12-09-05, 06:34 PM	#70
cruiser_guy IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mixco, Guatemala/Cranbrook & Vancouver, B.C., Canada TLCA# 16387 Posts: 7,362	I have had as many as 900km's on a tank (20 gallons) but that was taking it easy and I was pretty dry when I filled up again. __________________ '82 BJ60 H55 tranny, AXT turbo 3B diesel, high nickel alloy head, A/C, BDS lift, factory PTO, Aussie rear locker, OEM LSD front, 4:11's, 32's, PERFECT frame! '76 FJ55, 3B turbo, alloy head, H41 tranny, 3 sp. transfer, 33's, A/C, PTO winch, long range tank! '67 FJ45LV shop project c/w 3B turbo diesel transplant & H41 4 speed, 3 speed transfer, PTO! www.wirrell.com

12-09-05, 08:50 PM	#71
Island Moose IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Auckland NZ via Vancouver Island Canada Posts: 818	I get 67mpg on the highway once I get the grappling - hook onto the back of the logging truck I'm drafting....otherwise about 25mpg. __________________ MOOSE SOLD HER - SOMEDAY SOON JDM's...THEY SAVED THE BEST FOR THEMSELVES!!

12-09-05, 09:35 PM	#72
David*BJ70 IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Montréal area, Qc., Canada TLCA# 15514 Posts: 943	w/235-75R15 : 25 US mpg - 9,5l/100km w/32 : 20 US mpg - 12l/100km __________________ BJ42 1982 * The Primitive Beast - wvo BJ70 1985 * The Green Machine - wvo some say The Mighty Pickle ! come on ! 1992CorollaAll-trac* The Quiet Spirit Si je dois aller en enfer... ce sera en Landcruiser (Canadian french guy (Québécois)... sorry for my english ! ) Last edited by DavidBJ70; 04-19-06 at 12:54 AM.*

12-10-05, 01:35 AM	#73
lumpy70 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Calgary Posts: 421	In my BJ70 before turbo and runing 29"s with 3.7's, I got 8.8 L/100 kms on the highway or 26.5 mpg (US). With the turbo, and runing 33"s and 4.11's (I go much faster now) I get about 11.25 l/100 kms or 21 mpg (US). Craig. __________________ Sadly no longer owning a 70 1993 HDJ81 TLCA # 13682 Last edited by lumpy70; 12-10-05 at 10:13 AM.

12-10-05, 06:11 AM	#74
roscoFJ73 Diesel for blood Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: west australia Posts: 6,523	Looks like the B engines are the most fuel efficient of the big cruisers. My 1HZ after 3-4 tanks of diesel is averaging 13-14 litres per 100klms or approx 21 mpg imp of stop start city driving with 5 sp 4.11 and 33s This is a little conservative as I cant fill up at a bowser due to the old unleaded fuel restriction device on the tank inlet and I believe my odometer is giving me less klms than Im really doing. The engine is also only 2000klms old so it still has some loosening up to do Hopefully I will end up with getting 23-24 imp mpg in the city. Maybe we should all do an accurate reading for all our diesels and put it up as a sticky for future and current diesel heads who want to know "How much fuel will my new diesel banger use? This would need to include an accurate weight of your vehicle and other factors such as tyre size and transmission/diff ratios engine mods and city/highway cycle. __________________ HZJ75 cab chassis 95 model ,stocker FJ73+1HZ Diesel NEW GEARBOX 1HZ =same power as 3F with 30% better fuel economy 2in Dobinsons lift.Powerdown adj shocks 33 in BFG A/T HJ61 with slidin windas regrettfully SOLD:( Volvo 740 GL

12-10-05, 09:41 AM	#76
seapotato IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Aimlessly Poking Morons with Sticks. TLCA# Reset to Zero.... Posts: 751	I havent corrected for tire diameters yet, but last tank I got 560 kms on 67litres, which would be about 8.4 l per 100 kms, but I've got 255 85 16's on it, so my mileage is actually a fair bit better. what's stock tire diameter on an 87 bj70? I'm pretty ok with that mileage. cheers, ryan

12-10-05, 10:12 AM	#77
lumpy70 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Calgary Posts: 421	Calculations and charts and tables and guessing aside, the ONLY way to accurately measure your speedo and odometer is by using a GPS. Drive at 100 kph on the GPS, and see what your speedo is saying. If it says 105 kph, you are 5% out. Therefore 60 kph indicated is actually 63 kph, and so forth. When you fuel up and look at your odometer, multiply (or divide) your distance on that tank by your percent out and voila...exact numbers. Sorry if I seem like I'm dumbing this down, but when I hear "well, I'm running bigger tires, so my mileage is a bit better that what is indicated" it bugs me. Craig. __________________ Sadly no longer owning a 70 1993 HDJ81 TLCA # 13682

12-10-05, 07:02 PM	#82
vdubster IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vernon BC, Canada Posts: 60	23 to 27 mpg imp running 31's, __________________ 1997 Toyota 4runner Limited w/E-locker (SOLD) 1982 BJ60 Olive Drab Wagon My Toyota website

12-10-05, 12:35 PM	#79
seapotato IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Aimlessly Poking Morons with Sticks. TLCA# Reset to Zero.... Posts: 751	thanks . tho considering how windy the roads are here, I don't find my theoretical speed through a @&@&@&@&ing mountain to be all that helpful. I've done the calculations before, for my other cruiser. this truck, I'm only on my second tank of fuel since buying it, so it's a tad early to be rounding out to the 14th decimal point. and not to dumb it down for you , but that was a cheers, ryan

12-10-05, 01:12 PM	#80
lumpy70 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Calgary Posts: 421	No offence was meant, and sorry you chose to take it personally, I was refering to the forum 'in general'. I just thought others might benefit. Craig. __________________ Sadly no longer owning a 70 1993 HDJ81 TLCA # 13682

12-10-05, 03:32 PM	#81
mk1pickle IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: way north of 60 Posts: 65	my fuel economy BJ70 stock tires, 4speed, highway 9.5 L/ 100km city 11 L/100km. accurate odometer, and im not light on the accelerator so im sure it could be better, my friend that just turboed his bj42 says that his mileage has improved. not sure of the numbers yet

12-10-05, 07:07 PM	#83
seapotato IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Aimlessly Poking Morons with Sticks. TLCA# Reset to Zero.... Posts: 751	no worries lumpy, I take everything personal before the first cup of coffee.... back to fuel, I get 27-31 mpg in my Bj40 ( 3b, h55, turbo, 411, 255's) made a trip up island a while back and got the best mileage I've ever had, and I was towing a trailer at the time....blew me away. I figger this bj70 gets a little worse, but it's heavier so I'm ok with that. cheers, ryan

12-15-05, 07:51 AM	#85
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	LOL!! if you have the power you are going to use it.... common question: if i add a turbo will my fuel milage be affected... answer: read above. __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today

12-15-05, 08:18 AM	#86
VTCruiser UC Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vermont TLCA# 15472 Posts: 2,759	its amazing how much speed makes a difference, especially in a 60 brick. Usually i got about 75-80mph in the interstates and get about 21mpg. But on a recent trip to URE i drove around 65-70mph on the hwy. Average for the tank was 23mpg, which INCLUDED a full day of wheeling! __________________ Hello. My name is VTCruiser and I am an addict. Project Overland Build - Updated 11/26/08 UpstateCruisers.net

03-02-06, 05:03 PM	#88
vdubster IH8MUD Rookie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vernon BC, Canada Posts: 60	Did anyone notice the new FJ Cruiser with the AT transmission is rated 21 mpg city, 27 highway. This is imperial of course, but that's pretty good for a 4 liter V6 with some balls behind it. This is around the same fuel mileage as my BJ. Mike. __________________ 1997 Toyota 4runner Limited w/E-locker (SOLD) 1982 BJ60 Olive Drab Wagon My Toyota website

03-06-06, 05:46 PM	#89
kim IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Maple Ridge, BC, Canada TLCA# 17328 Posts: 721	I have an 87 HJ60, 2H, H55, stock tires and I get a consistent 25.5 MPG Imperial. The 86 HJ60, 2H, auto gets around 21.5 MPG Imperial. Auto Trannies generally take 20 percent off fuel mileage from my understanding. For the US folks, subtract 20 percent for MPG US. __________________ 87 HJ60,86 HJ60 auto,73 FJ40, 82 BJ60, 89 FJ62 and counting...

03-06-06, 06:25 PM	#90
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,793	actually with the lock up torque converter the milage difference should be much less... you might want to do a compression test... cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 "educate yourself. Sorry if that seems too blunt." John Galt 11-01-08 Wayne in Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca join today