More on filters...

VTCruiser · 12-25-04, 02:15 PM

As it turns out, i am not running any fuel filter.....

up to what micron filtration is recommended? What's factory?

I am looking at installing a walbro 6065 aux pump and a racor 2 micron heated filter w/ seperator. Is this overkill? do i need to "stage" the filtration (as in run it through a 30 or something first)?

I am little strapped on cash right now, but is there a cheaper suitable set up i can run?

looking to order it up early this week....

The Dude · 12-25-04, 03:42 PM

the reason to run 2 filters is to be able to filter down to 2 microns and not have filters plug all the time. The first is to get out the big junk and the second all the small stuff. I run a 15 micron and a 2 micron. I have never used a heated filter as winter diesel is always available and never an issue here in Saskatchewan.

The 2 micron only will be fine until you can afford a second. You might find you will have to change filters more often.

Radd Cruisers · 12-25-04, 03:59 PM

Did you check with Ens for a price on a filter primer unit???

Stickboy · 12-25-04, 08:13 PM

Here's my system from the tank forward:

Tank
Walbro 6067 (400 micron? filter/magnetic)
Napa Small inline (28 micron)
Racor 645 (heated, 2 micron)
Fuel Feed Pump
Napa 3393 Stock filter (28 micron? only there so I didn't have to custom make metric banjo fittings to go straight from the Racor to the IP)

My walbro crapped out and I'm now flowing through it and have the racor bypassed so I'm only using the small napa filter and the stock filter unit. No sedimenter.

I'd at the bare minimum put the Napa inline filter in until you get your complete setup.

The Fuel Pump/IP will probably not suck fuel through the 2micron Racor as I discovered a while back. The walbro is needed there. I installed a small pressure gauge (0-30psi) in one of the ports of the racor to measure fuel pressure going to the fuel feed pump.

The only reason I have the racor is so i can heat biodiesel up so i can run it longer during the year. If it were me I'd get a decent filter housing from NAPA and put a good quality diesel truck filter on there and call it good. No need for the Walbro and no need for the small prefilter I use. The only reason I use it is to catch junk released by the biodiesel from the tank/lines. I'll eliminate it after about 10k miles.

www.lubespecialist.com has the best prices on the racor stuff by far....

hope this helps gehn,
mike

VTCruiser · 12-26-04, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radd Cruisers

Did you check with Ens for a price on a filter primer unit???

can you tell me more about this?....factory filter? where does it mount? What micron rating? Part number?

Greg_B · 12-26-04, 05:49 PM

Don't take these numbers to the bank...

23303-64010 lists as Fuel Filter-Sub Assembly for a large number of applications that used the HZ and PZ motors.

23301-17___ is the start of the cap on top of the filter (bracket needs to be made, or ordered and adapted to your mounting location). There are very many variations with this part number, dependent on year, mounting location, etc...

You would also need to purchase the drain plug, float switch, and a couple of o-rings to complete the bottom end.

Some filters show a heater assembly as well.

I do not know the Micron filter number.

Best bet is to phone Ens Industrial and price the whole unit, then go from there. They might be able to get the micron level as well.

gb

VTCruiser · 12-27-04, 09:44 AM

Thanks guys i'll look into that....

VTCruiser · 01-21-05, 03:26 PM

I am about to place an order for a racor filter/water seperator assembly. The two units I am looking at are the 445R or the 645R. Questions:

1) Is the primer pump offered in the 445R worth the extra $$?
2) What about the heating element? I am thinking this would be useful for VT winters, but does it really make a difference?
3) Finally, would the 10 micron element be the best for general purpose? It would be the only filter for now. I figure 30 might be too large, and have heard that a 2 micron filter would require an additional pump? Is that correct?

Thanks...

VTCruiser · 01-23-05, 12:30 AM

any thoughts?

beanz2 · 01-23-05, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTCruiser

I am about to place an order for a racor filter/water seperator assembly. The two units I am looking at are the 445R or the 645R. Questions:

1) Is the primer pump offered in the 445R worth the extra $$?
2) What about the heating element? I am thinking this would be useful for VT winters, but does it really make a difference?
3) Finally, would the 10 micron element be the best for general purpose? It would be the only filter for now. I figure 30 might be too large, and have heard that a 2 micron filter would require an additional pump? Is that correct?

Thanks...

Gehn,

Unless you have the stock Toyota pump or are running a pusher electric pump near the tank you will need the primer pump for the 1HZ. I'd get the heating element just for the peace of mind. Once you buy the unheated one, can it be added later?

Dave

HZJ60 Guy · 01-23-05, 12:59 PM

You'll want that primer pump when it comes time to change that filter. You can either fill the new filter with fuel and fumble FK your way around installing it again, or install it and prime your way to happiness and prosparity!

TB

VTCruiser · 01-23-05, 05:57 PM

Ok i go ahead and get the 445 with heater.

Is 10 micron going to be about right?

12-25-04, 02:15 PM	#1
VTCruiser UC Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vermont TLCA# 15472 Posts: 2,759	More on filters... As it turns out, i am not running any fuel filter..... up to what micron filtration is recommended? What's factory? I am looking at installing a walbro 6065 aux pump and a racor 2 micron heated filter w/ seperator. Is this overkill? do i need to "stage" the filtration (as in run it through a 30 or something first)? I am little strapped on cash right now, but is there a cheaper suitable set up i can run? looking to order it up early this week.... __________________ Hello. My name is VTCruiser and I am an addict. Project Overland Build - Updated 11/26/08 UpstateCruisers.net

12-25-04, 03:42 PM	#2
The Dude IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Saskatoon, SK TLCA# 8113 Posts: 911	the reason to run 2 filters is to be able to filter down to 2 microns and not have filters plug all the time. The first is to get out the big junk and the second all the small stuff. I run a 15 micron and a 2 micron. I have never used a heated filter as winter diesel is always available and never an issue here in Saskatchewan. The 2 micron only will be fine until you can afford a second. You might find you will have to change filters more often. __________________ Brad T 88 HJ61 "Marmaduke " 12H-T, A440, extreme valve body, PI, cable lockers, PTO winch, SOA, 2" body lift, FF, ARP studs, Longfields, 5.29s, 38x14.5R16 Toyo MTs... 78 BJ 40/42/60

12-25-04, 03:59 PM	#3
Radd Cruisers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 3,831	Did you check with Ens for a price on a filter primer unit??? __________________ Come and visit us in Duncan, BC www.raddcruisers.ca --> 60 Series Cable Lockers available - 4.11s or 3.70s - handles and cables included --> 12HT & H55F combos available - complete & running --> in stock and ready to go.

12-25-04, 08:13 PM	#4
Stickboy IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 302	Here's my system from the tank forward: Tank Walbro 6067 (400 micron? filter/magnetic) Napa Small inline (28 micron) Racor 645 (heated, 2 micron) Fuel Feed Pump Napa 3393 Stock filter (28 micron? only there so I didn't have to custom make metric banjo fittings to go straight from the Racor to the IP) My walbro crapped out and I'm now flowing through it and have the racor bypassed so I'm only using the small napa filter and the stock filter unit. No sedimenter. I'd at the bare minimum put the Napa inline filter in until you get your complete setup. The Fuel Pump/IP will probably not suck fuel through the 2micron Racor as I discovered a while back. The walbro is needed there. I installed a small pressure gauge (0-30psi) in one of the ports of the racor to measure fuel pressure going to the fuel feed pump. The only reason I have the racor is so i can heat biodiesel up so i can run it longer during the year. If it were me I'd get a decent filter housing from NAPA and put a good quality diesel truck filter on there and call it good. No need for the Walbro and no need for the small prefilter I use. The only reason I use it is to catch junk released by the biodiesel from the tank/lines. I'll eliminate it after about 10k miles. www.lubespecialist.com has the best prices on the racor stuff by far.... hope this helps gehn, mike __________________ 1986 FJ60 - 13BT/H55F powered (BJ60T?) 1986 VW Turbo Diesel Jetta w/ straight veg. oil conversion 1992 Dodge Ram 250 - 5.9 diesel All running 100% Homebrewed Biodiesel made from waste oil and homepressed mustard seed oil....

12-27-04, 09:44 AM	#7
VTCruiser UC Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vermont TLCA# 15472 Posts: 2,759	Thanks guys i'll look into that.... __________________ Hello. My name is VTCruiser and I am an addict. Project Overland Build - Updated 11/26/08 UpstateCruisers.net

12-26-04, 05:49 PM	#6
Greg_B IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Mar 2002 TLCA# 7091 Posts: 3,075	Don't take these numbers to the bank... 23303-64010 lists as Fuel Filter-Sub Assembly for a large number of applications that used the HZ and PZ motors. 23301-17___ is the start of the cap on top of the filter (bracket needs to be made, or ordered and adapted to your mounting location). There are very many variations with this part number, dependent on year, mounting location, etc... You would also need to purchase the drain plug, float switch, and a couple of o-rings to complete the bottom end. Some filters show a heater assembly as well. I do not know the Micron filter number. Best bet is to phone Ens Industrial and price the whole unit, then go from there. They might be able to get the micron level as well. gb

01-21-05, 03:26 PM	#8
VTCruiser UC Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vermont TLCA# 15472 Posts: 2,759	Back from the Dead...about to order... I am about to place an order for a racor filter/water seperator assembly. The two units I am looking at are the 445R or the 645R. Questions: 1) Is the primer pump offered in the 445R worth the extra $$? 2) What about the heating element? I am thinking this would be useful for VT winters, but does it really make a difference? 3) Finally, would the 10 micron element be the best for general purpose? It would be the only filter for now. I figure 30 might be too large, and have heard that a 2 micron filter would require an additional pump? Is that correct? Thanks... __________________ Hello. My name is VTCruiser and I am an addict. Project Overland Build - Updated 11/26/08 UpstateCruisers.net

01-23-05, 12:30 AM	#9
VTCruiser UC Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vermont TLCA# 15472 Posts: 2,759	any thoughts? __________________ Hello. My name is VTCruiser and I am an addict. Project Overland Build - Updated 11/26/08 UpstateCruisers.net

01-23-05, 12:59 PM	#11
HZJ60 Guy Tank Buster Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Seattle area TLCA# 13102 Posts: 2,337	You'll want that primer pump when it comes time to change that filter. You can either fill the new filter with fuel and fumble FK your way around installing it again, or install it and prime your way to happiness and prosparity! TB __________________ 2001 VW TDI Bora 1987 Toyota HZTJ-60 I'm a democrat member of the House of Representatives, and I've got what it takes to take what you've got!

01-23-05, 05:57 PM	#12
VTCruiser UC Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vermont TLCA# 15472 Posts: 2,759	Ok i go ahead and get the 445 with heater. Is 10 micron going to be about right? __________________ Hello. My name is VTCruiser and I am an addict. Project Overland Build - Updated 11/26/08 UpstateCruisers.net

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