Fuel adjustments on a 3B?

Island Moose · 12-17-04, 10:42 AM

My fuel pump is unlike others that I have seen, but I was hoping someone can tell me how to (and whether to) adjust the fuel delivery. I have no black smoke at all, even under load, so I'm wondering if I should dial it up a bit. Here's a picture, please feel free to copy and arrow the adjuster.

crushers · 12-17-04, 11:20 AM

until you turbo it, I would leave it alone, as dad always said, if it isn't broken don' "fix" it...
I wish I could live by that philosophy...
;^)

Island Moose · 12-17-04, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crushers

until you turbo it, I would leave it alone, as dad always said, if it isn't broken don' "fix" it...
I wish I could live by that philosophy...
;^)

Well I agree, but my power seems somewhat lacking (of course, what do I compare it to?), and I'm concerned that the truck was leaned out to pass regs in Vancouver. The complete lack of black smoke while under load concerns me as well.

crushers · 12-17-04, 06:11 PM

see if you can meet up with someone else that has a BJ42 or a BJ70 and compare. the 3B is gutless, reliable but has the speed of a snail on prozac...
;^)
cheers

lowenbrau · 12-17-04, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cruiser_guy

You've got a rotary pump whereas 3B's that came here with Toyota Canada got inline pumps. The switch was made AFTER 1985 when the 3B was no longer imported.

FTR 3Bs with inline pumps came to Canada through the 1987 model year. In 1988 the only 3Bs that came into the country were in BJ75 mine trucks which had rotary pumps.

FWIW every Jap spec 3B I've seen has had a rotary pump, even as old as 1982.

Diescipel · 12-18-04, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crushers

see if you can meet up with someone else that has a BJ42 or a BJ70 and compare. the 3B is gutless, reliable but has the speed of a snail on prozac...
;^)
cheers

I gotta second that. I used to think the 2F/FJ60 was slow. 3B==> slow and steady.

B

Island Moose · 12-18-04, 08:52 AM

Alright already...it's slow...so how do I adjust the fuel mixture?...hijack my thread why don't you?

crushers · 12-18-04, 08:55 AM

the is a flat head screw on the pump near the top on the block side with a 12 MM lock down nut. loosen the lock down, turn out flat head 1/3 turn, lock down the 12mm and go for a drive, you need a hill and full throttle, as soon as you see black smoke then stop fiddling...
;^)
"hijackers are us"

crustyBJ60 · 12-18-04, 07:43 PM

you're in vic right?

pm or email off line and i can give you a hand, even with my VERY limited, or at least point you in the right direction here on the island for 3b help/parts/tuning.

crusty

brownbear · 12-18-04, 08:28 PM

my 84 60 blows no black. but it revs right up. isn't that the sign of under fueling? the 3b manual say something about it to be adjusted to 4200 rpm. or so. manual not here right now. why give it more fuel.? these engines have fawk all for power anyhow. you will have the tree huggers on the island chasing you in the vw vans. and with a 3b they just might get ya. save for a turbo. talk to radd cruisers. he's on the island. he sells them. 2700 or so.

brownbear · 12-18-04, 08:30 PM

I meant if it doesn't rev right up to 4200, isn't that the sign of not fueling enough?? had to clarify.

Island Moose · 12-20-04, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crushers

the is a flat head screw on the pump near the top on the block side with a 12 MM lock down nut. loosen the lock down, turn out flat head 1/3 turn, lock down the 12mm and go for a drive, you need a hill and full throttle, as soon as you see black smoke then stop fiddling...
;^)
"hijackers are us"

Crushers...damn if I can't find the screw you describe. Is it in the picture?

tlcruiserman · 12-24-04, 05:17 PM

The rotoray pump on 3B Was Late 87 if that, I think it would be very rare to see one on a Canidian BJ70, even an 87'

I agree with wayne on the adjustment, you want to adust it until you rarely get a little black smoke on a hill, no more than that.

As far as a Turbo, I would recomend AXT I have done several of these and they turn out real nice, ah the ones I seen on 3B's from that other places seem to have a smaller turbo and do not provide as much or the appropriate boost for the 3B. It all comes down to you get what you pay for, it you want to do it right and get all you can out of your 3B spend the extra and go with AXT.

One other alternative I would suggest, and it is something I will be doing myself next time, instead of buying a turbo, go out and get a 13BT, you will not regret it and you can pick them up for a reasonable price these days, and more and more or showing up every day.

Just my 2cents.

Cheers,

Michael

Island Moose · 12-25-04, 09:17 AM

No, the safety wire was gone, so I do suspect an "adjustment". I've backed it out 1/3 turn, and still nothing in terms of black smoke under load. Nevertheless, that's all I'm going to do for now.

Greg_B · 12-26-04, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowenbrau

FTR 3Bs with inline pumps came to Canada through the 1987 model year. In 1988 the only 3Bs that came into the country were in BJ75 mine trucks which had rotary pumps.

FWIW every Jap spec 3B I've seen has had a rotary pump, even as old as 1982.

Now that is interesting Bruce...Thanks.

Any BJ70 imported by Toyota Canada for sale to the public will be an inline pump.

Mine use 3B's were rotory after 1987 AFAIK.

All 13BT's I have seen are inline pumps...

Moose, make sure you run a good conditioner with each tank [Howes or Stanydene (spelling??)] are two that seem to be used the most.

hth's

gb

12-17-04, 10:42 AM	#1
Island Moose IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Auckland NZ via Vancouver Island Canada Posts: 818	Fuel adjustments on a 3B? My fuel pump is unlike others that I have seen, but I was hoping someone can tell me how to (and whether to) adjust the fuel delivery. I have no black smoke at all, even under load, so I'm wondering if I should dial it up a bit. Here's a picture, please feel free to copy and arrow the adjuster. __________________ MOOSE SOLD HER - SOMEDAY SOON JDM's...THEY SAVED THE BEST FOR THEMSELVES!!

12-17-04, 11:20 AM	#2
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,208	until you turbo it, I would leave it alone, as dad always said, if it isn't broken don' "fix" it... I wish I could live by that philosophy... ;^) __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 Wayne Owen Sound Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca separating the rumours from the truth. join today

12-17-04, 06:11 PM	#4
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,208	see if you can meet up with someone else that has a BJ42 or a BJ70 and compare. the 3B is gutless, reliable but has the speed of a snail on prozac... ;^) cheers __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 Wayne Owen Sound Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca separating the rumours from the truth. join today

12-18-04, 08:52 AM	#7
Island Moose IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Auckland NZ via Vancouver Island Canada Posts: 818	Alright already...it's slow...so how do I adjust the fuel mixture?...hijack my thread why don't you? __________________ MOOSE SOLD HER - SOMEDAY SOON JDM's...THEY SAVED THE BEST FOR THEMSELVES!!

12-18-04, 08:55 AM	#8
crushers IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 9,208	the is a flat head screw on the pump near the top on the block side with a 12 MM lock down nut. loosen the lock down, turn out flat head 1/3 turn, lock down the 12mm and go for a drive, you need a hill and full throttle, as soon as you see black smoke then stop fiddling... ;^) "hijackers are us" __________________ pulling this info out of my ass so take it with a pound of salt "People are poor because they don't spend money wisely, tough sh!t !!! " John Galt 09/22/08 Wayne Owen Sound Ontario http://www.ivoac.ca separating the rumours from the truth. join today

12-18-04, 07:43 PM	#9
crustyBJ60 IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Down Unda' Posts: 413	you're in vic right? pm or email off line and i can give you a hand, even with my VERY limited, or at least point you in the right direction here on the island for 3b help/parts/tuning. crusty

12-18-04, 08:28 PM	#10
brownbear Mod in Hibernation Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Where diesels purr and turbos whine TLCA# 15584 Posts: 6,144	my 84 60 blows no black. but it revs right up. isn't that the sign of under fueling? the 3b manual say something about it to be adjusted to 4200 rpm. or so. manual not here right now. why give it more fuel.? these engines have fawk all for power anyhow. you will have the tree huggers on the island chasing you in the vw vans. and with a 3b they just might get ya. save for a turbo. talk to radd cruisers. he's on the island. he sells them. 2700 or so. __________________ -84 BJ60, Finally on the FN road! -91 FJ80, wife's ride Iron Butt award winner of the Cruise Moab 08 !

12-18-04, 08:30 PM	#11
brownbear Mod in Hibernation Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Where diesels purr and turbos whine TLCA# 15584 Posts: 6,144	I meant if it doesn't rev right up to 4200, isn't that the sign of not fueling enough?? had to clarify. __________________ -84 BJ60, Finally on the FN road! -91 FJ80, wife's ride Iron Butt award winner of the Cruise Moab 08 !

12-24-04, 05:17 PM	#13
tlcruiserman IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: San Diego, CA USA TLCA# 7932 Posts: 1,071	Just a little more information for you The rotoray pump on 3B Was Late 87 if that, I think it would be very rare to see one on a Canidian BJ70, even an 87' I agree with wayne on the adjustment, you want to adust it until you rarely get a little black smoke on a hill, no more than that. As far as a Turbo, I would recomend AXT I have done several of these and they turn out real nice, ah the ones I seen on 3B's from that other places seem to have a smaller turbo and do not provide as much or the appropriate boost for the 3B. It all comes down to you get what you pay for, it you want to do it right and get all you can out of your 3B spend the extra and go with AXT. One other alternative I would suggest, and it is something I will be doing myself next time, instead of buying a turbo, go out and get a 13BT, you will not regret it and you can pick them up for a reasonable price these days, and more and more or showing up every day. Just my 2cents. Cheers, Michael __________________ Michael tlcruiserman@westcoastcruisers.com West Coast Cruisers Incorporated

12-25-04, 09:17 AM	#14
Island Moose IH8MUD Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Auckland NZ via Vancouver Island Canada Posts: 818	No, the safety wire was gone, so I do suspect an "adjustment". I've backed it out 1/3 turn, and still nothing in terms of black smoke under load. Nevertheless, that's all I'm going to do for now. __________________ MOOSE SOLD HER - SOMEDAY SOON JDM's...THEY SAVED THE BEST FOR THEMSELVES!!

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